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quiet roar said:
^^ Droppers' view of freedom is pretty narrow: it's simply about how many guns he is allowed to have.



Don't know about that, sj: I'd happily execute the guy who killed Jill Meagher and the guy that mowed down those people in Bourke St, and Martin Bryant, and any other fucker that has done something that savage with there being no doubt about guilt.
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Yes as long as he has his guns he seems content.

On the capital punishment thing. I think thats too easy on people like that. They deserve the living hell of prison.
 
if we were all on acid right now would we give a shit about any of stupid bullshit right now. something about being sober makes me care about this disgusting topic. all the more reason to do drugs
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Here's how that's going to contribute to innocent people being executed:

<Cop> If you cooperate with us and tell us that the guy we think is guilty pulled the trigger, we'll let you plead to a lesser charge. Else we'll charge you with murder, you'll be tried and convicted and dead three days later.
<Suspect> What do you want to hear?
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Like I said, certain cases only. jared fogle for example. At least he's gotten beat up.

quiet roar said:
^^ Droppers' view of freedom is pretty narrow: it's simply about how many guns he is allowed to have.
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It's not just about how many guns he can have, it's about the ability to actually use them to protect himself and others. If somebody broke into his house and he shot and killed them, he would not face charges. Or if someone tried to carjack him, same thing. It would get sent to the DA and they'd be like nahh. Of course things may be a bit different in the deep blue states.
 
Ryan01 said:
Like I said, certain cases only. jared fogle for example. At least he's gotten beat up.

It's not just about how many guns he can have, it's about the ability to actually use them to protect himself and others. If somebody broke into his house and he shot and killed them, he would not face charges. Or if someone tried to carjack him, same thing. Of course things may be a bit different in the deep blue states.
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So having guns and being able to defend yourself is all freedom is? No wonder you guys lock so many people up then. I thought it had a far broader meaning. My mistake.
 
quiet roar said:
Don't know about that, sj: I'd happily execute the guy who killed Jill Meagher and the guy that mowed down those people in Bourke St, and Martin Bryant, and any other fucker that has done something that savage with there being no doubt about guilt.
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The thing about nasty fucked up people like that is that a quick death is probably the better option for them.
My suspicion with that piece of shit that mowed people down in Burke Street Mall is that he was probably trying to commit suicide-by-cop.
In his case i'd rather not give him what he wants - let him rot his days out in a cell IMO.

And as some dodgy mates of mine said, he killed children - so he's likely to have a less-than-pleasant jail experience.
Carl Williams style, perhaps...

Logically inconsistent as it may be, i don't always have a problem with individuals seeking revenge against killers, torturers and rapists - but i have always fundamentally disagreed with the state sentencing people to death.

Ryan01 said:
It's not just about how many guns he can have, it's about the ability to actually use them to protect himself and others. If somebody broke into his house and he shot and killed them, he would not face charges. Or if someone tried to carjack him, same thing. It would get sent to the DA and they'd be like nahh. Of course things may be a bit different in the deep blue states.
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I thought it was more about the people being able to protect themselves from government tyranny?

If so - get on with it then ;)
 
spacejunk said:
I'm really thankful to live in a country that banned capital punishment decades ago. The state should not have the power to execute citizens.
These are real people's lives we're talking about. Miscarriages of justice happen all too frequently. Police corruption is far too common to give the justice system the power to kill people convicted of certain criminal offences.
One only needs to look at the amount of problems with lethal injections in the past few years to see what a barbaric practice it is.
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So your anti-fascist bloodlust has suddenly abated it seems? seeing as you sanction violence against people you presume to be fascists (with no due process) it's curious that you oppose the death penalty so strongly. Your buddy Stalin loved it.

And police corruption has nothing to do with the judiciary. You seem to have very little knowledge about the legal system.
 
My buddy Stalin?
You're really stretching now. And i guess you don't read very well - because i actually addressed that.
I don't necessarily oppose individual the idea of individual violence.

spacejunk said:
Logically inconsistent as it may be, i don't always have a problem with individuals seeking revenge against killers, torturers and rapists - but i have always fundamentally disagreed with the state sentencing people to death.
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But lethal state violence? Government killings?
No.
i don't think killing should ever be one of the jobs of the state.
And you accuse me of being a Stalinist? That doesn't make sense.

You should lay off the ad-homs and strawmen; they're unbecoming.
 
Somerandomdude said:
And police corruption has nothing to do with the judiciary. You seem to have very little knowledge about the legal system.
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Don't be ridiculous. Are you trying to tell me that, for example, there was no connection between the state's (because yes they are connected to the judiciary too, despite the lies we are told about an independent judiciary) desire for a quick result in the Birmingham and Guildford bombings, the police's corrupt arrest of the first (ten) Irish men and women they could find and the resultant heavy sentences (incorrectly, fraudulently) handed out?

Oh, PS. My anti-fascist bloodlust hasn't gone, there is no due process needed when dealing with bonehead supporters of fascist marches and no, I don't support Stalin's purges of innocent communities thousands of miles from Moscow.
 
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seems that people who support him don't give a shit that he says one thing and does the opposite :(

but he's a straight-shooter!

alasdair
 
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