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Crying ??? I'm dancing the jig and I'm not even Irish.
2016 American Presidential Campaign
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Crying ??? I'm dancing the jig and I'm not even Irish.
SKL
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To many of your values, we can only hope. I'm not so sure though.
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For some actual content, we could comment on the address itself.
American exceptionalism, with strong hints of interventionism, which he elsewhere (even in this same speech deplores)
"Mangnificent" = lol
The look on Obama's face = also lol
Swamp-draining, etc. Pretty much cliché.
There's no arguing with this. Whether Trump is on our side is quite arguable too, especially with people like Mnuchin being brought into power.
A bit messianic in flavor, but not atypical of these kinds of speeches.
This is an interesting appropriation of therapeutic language.
"A movement like none other before" is a bit messianic too, but when you think about it, it's actually pretty much true. The rest is cliché.
Good shot outs to the Rust belt, which is the "ignored" people he will refer to. "Crime and gangs and drugs," of course, is more cliché, but most of these addresses are.
More messianism, and ...
Manifest destiny?
Hard to argue with. And again, reaching out to people who feel, righteously, to have been fucked over and ignored; whether he, or any politician, can deliver on such Messianic promises is of course left to question.
America First is good to hear, and this phrase is actually quite stigmatized in some of it's association; although, given his personal associations and his traditional tail-dog-wagging on the Israeli question begs whether this is going to be literally true (every foreign capital?) But the sentiment is in the right place. Only in America [or, perhaps, only in the Anglosphere and the liberal Northern-European democracies] could putting one's country ahead of other countries "America First" offend people, though.
Explicit shout out to "protection[ism]," another somewhat taboo phrase. If this is at all reflective of any reality he can achieve, he really will be reversing and going back on some of the truly disastrous policies of the last 30-40 years.
Messianism. Also, Rick Astley.
American exceptionalism. Also Charlie Sheen.
All of these things are interconnected. Again, we can only hope that he follows through.
Quite fundamental in international law, quite ignored in practice, quite unlikely to change, sadly.
Now we have a promise of non-intervention, another taboo phrase or ideology, but it comes with some contradiction to some other statements even within the speech.
The big deal, of course is, saying these words, which Obama was greatly criticized for not naming. The promise is obviously grandiose. His methods of going about this, hopefully, will differ from his predecessors, but that would be a hard road.
Psalm 133. Total allegiance is nice to hear, too, but again, he has plenty of globalist and Zionist associates.
More exceptionalism.
The President-as-Protecting-Father-Figure, not new either.
"Constantly complaining" sounds like a not-so-subtle dart at certain brands of liberal politics. "Now arrives the hour of action" is stout, manly, Messianic, populistic, and even millenarian in it's implications; echoes Biblical phrasing about the arrival of judgment and the casting out of Satan (Jn. 12:31); the President-as-Prophet-in-Chief.
More exceptionalism.
Sounds very 1990s.
More Prophetic language.
This could be from any such address.
President as Father/Therapist again. The "ignored people," of course, are the "regular Americans," non-coastal, non-élite, predominately White but diverse; these are all the people who have seen themselves totally exposed to economic fuckery over the years, the people who the Democrat head-scratchers just can't figure out why voted for Trump. Well, they know and he does.
More or less content-free; as, really, is the rest of it, it's not after all a policy document or anything concrete, very little of this is particularly Trumpian except for the occasional flourish, most of it is pretty generic, sometimes self-contradictory, at times Clintonian or Reaganesque. But there's no "there," there, as Gertrude Stein had it. But that's a comment not so much about this (read it versus inaugural addresses prior to ca. the 1970s-80s) but about large-scale politics in general. It's delivery was quite well done, I think; there's very little that comes off as buffoonish or exagerrated or vulgar, and yet he clearly knows who he is addressing, and is stating most of the fundamental principles that at least overtly drove his campaign rather succinctly. But of course I'm predisposed to casting a jaundiced eye at politicians. The gap between saying and doing (he referenced it himself) is there, enlarged a bit by a few specific appointments (Mnuchin being by far the biggest betrayal to the people that elected him), and whether it can be filled is a great question for the future, I'd say not; I don't think Trump is consciously running a con-job, or at least, more than any other politician, again, most of this is pretty generic stuff, but in terms of ability to effectuate the real change that he promises (or gives the appearance to promise, without giving specifics), I don't have all that much optimism. Nonetheless, I thank God Almighty we got here with him, rather than the alternative. Maybe even from all of the alternatives; not that this is a great compliment. Even if the specifically Trumpian policy initiatives are defeated, even if the man is impeached, we're spared the unmitigated disaster of Hilary Clinton Supreme Court appointments.
(CNN) As prepared for delivery said:
American exceptionalism, with strong hints of interventionism, which he elsewhere (even in this same speech deplores)
"Mangnificent" = lol
The look on Obama's face = also lol
Swamp-draining, etc. Pretty much cliché.
There's no arguing with this. Whether Trump is on our side is quite arguable too, especially with people like Mnuchin being brought into power.
A bit messianic in flavor, but not atypical of these kinds of speeches.
This is an interesting appropriation of therapeutic language.
"A movement like none other before" is a bit messianic too, but when you think about it, it's actually pretty much true. The rest is cliché.
Good shot outs to the Rust belt, which is the "ignored" people he will refer to. "Crime and gangs and drugs," of course, is more cliché, but most of these addresses are.
More messianism, and ...
Manifest destiny?
Hard to argue with. And again, reaching out to people who feel, righteously, to have been fucked over and ignored; whether he, or any politician, can deliver on such Messianic promises is of course left to question.
America First is good to hear, and this phrase is actually quite stigmatized in some of it's association; although, given his personal associations and his traditional tail-dog-wagging on the Israeli question begs whether this is going to be literally true (every foreign capital?) But the sentiment is in the right place. Only in America [or, perhaps, only in the Anglosphere and the liberal Northern-European democracies] could putting one's country ahead of other countries "America First" offend people, though.
Explicit shout out to "protection[ism]," another somewhat taboo phrase. If this is at all reflective of any reality he can achieve, he really will be reversing and going back on some of the truly disastrous policies of the last 30-40 years.
Messianism. Also, Rick Astley.
American exceptionalism. Also Charlie Sheen.
All of these things are interconnected. Again, we can only hope that he follows through.
Quite fundamental in international law, quite ignored in practice, quite unlikely to change, sadly.
Now we have a promise of non-intervention, another taboo phrase or ideology, but it comes with some contradiction to some other statements even within the speech.
The big deal, of course is, saying these words, which Obama was greatly criticized for not naming. The promise is obviously grandiose. His methods of going about this, hopefully, will differ from his predecessors, but that would be a hard road.
Psalm 133. Total allegiance is nice to hear, too, but again, he has plenty of globalist and Zionist associates.
More exceptionalism.
The President-as-Protecting-Father-Figure, not new either.
"Constantly complaining" sounds like a not-so-subtle dart at certain brands of liberal politics. "Now arrives the hour of action" is stout, manly, Messianic, populistic, and even millenarian in it's implications; echoes Biblical phrasing about the arrival of judgment and the casting out of Satan (Jn. 12:31); the President-as-Prophet-in-Chief.
More exceptionalism.
Sounds very 1990s.
More Prophetic language.
This could be from any such address.
President as Father/Therapist again. The "ignored people," of course, are the "regular Americans," non-coastal, non-élite, predominately White but diverse; these are all the people who have seen themselves totally exposed to economic fuckery over the years, the people who the Democrat head-scratchers just can't figure out why voted for Trump. Well, they know and he does.
More or less content-free; as, really, is the rest of it, it's not after all a policy document or anything concrete, very little of this is particularly Trumpian except for the occasional flourish, most of it is pretty generic, sometimes self-contradictory, at times Clintonian or Reaganesque. But there's no "there," there, as Gertrude Stein had it. But that's a comment not so much about this (read it versus inaugural addresses prior to ca. the 1970s-80s) but about large-scale politics in general. It's delivery was quite well done, I think; there's very little that comes off as buffoonish or exagerrated or vulgar, and yet he clearly knows who he is addressing, and is stating most of the fundamental principles that at least overtly drove his campaign rather succinctly. But of course I'm predisposed to casting a jaundiced eye at politicians. The gap between saying and doing (he referenced it himself) is there, enlarged a bit by a few specific appointments (Mnuchin being by far the biggest betrayal to the people that elected him), and whether it can be filled is a great question for the future, I'd say not; I don't think Trump is consciously running a con-job, or at least, more than any other politician, again, most of this is pretty generic stuff, but in terms of ability to effectuate the real change that he promises (or gives the appearance to promise, without giving specifics), I don't have all that much optimism. Nonetheless, I thank God Almighty we got here with him, rather than the alternative. Maybe even from all of the alternatives; not that this is a great compliment. Even if the specifically Trumpian policy initiatives are defeated, even if the man is impeached, we're spared the unmitigated disaster of Hilary Clinton Supreme Court appointments.
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^If Hildo got a nickel for everytime she's had to give him that look there never would have been a need for the Clinton Foundation slush fund. And the way Willy gave her that dismissive look and went right back to ogling Ivanka speaks volumes about their "marriage". Too funny.
i know droppers is mostly trolling, skl but you're a smart guy. you can't possibly be taken in by this?
trump must be laughing his ass off as he talks, on one hand, about draining the swamp and giving america back to the people while, on the other hand, filling his cabinet with nepotistic selections, cronies and exactly the type of establishment and corporate interests he promised he'd clean up.
says one thing. does another. says one thing. does another. says one thing. does another.
you should have been careful what you wished for because you got it.
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swilow
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I can't wait for Trump supporters on bluelight to realise he thinks your'e scum. He's not on the side of drug using criminals, that's for sure.
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I don't think they're functioning on that level - that is to say, I don't think they care about personal feelings, with their "support" for him. I think many people probably just saw him as, brakes on the train, or something. The left was advocating for open borders, a 500% increase in refugees, and was pandering to groups like Black Lives Matter (and never calling out Islam as a source for Islamic Extremism - not being genuine), and not paying respect to the systemic issues that cause Black Lives Matter. Simply telling people not to be racist, or shouting racist at them (in various forms, they have been), isn't helping, and neither is a leadership that panders to this mentality. And facts aren't on their side, for their arguments. The issues are with the system, and our expectations of it. Trump will not solve these problems, but I am hoping that this "break" will spark a more mature response from the "left" (or whatever to call it), than pandering in the way they do, and virtue signalling in the way they do, as it has been.
As far as drugs, I didn't like his statement about it- but I considered that the context of everything he was talking about was about the drugs that come through our porous borders. I'm not in denial about what he thinks about hardcore drugs/addictive drugs, but I am hopeful that he will respect states rights when it comes to cannabis, and that it may continue to be downgraded (as well as other less harsh drugs), and legalized/accepted. If not, again, I do think the "left" (democrats, whatever), needed to be checked. This is their check. They need a new game-plan, that actually involves reason.
As far as drugs, I didn't like his statement about it- but I considered that the context of everything he was talking about was about the drugs that come through our porous borders. I'm not in denial about what he thinks about hardcore drugs/addictive drugs, but I am hopeful that he will respect states rights when it comes to cannabis, and that it may continue to be downgraded (as well as other less harsh drugs), and legalized/accepted. If not, again, I do think the "left" (democrats, whatever), needed to be checked. This is their check. They need a new game-plan, that actually involves reason.
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Morninggloryseed
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It was interesting and concerning listening to the trump speech. Being that Im not a pacifist and American, Im comfortable with the us fighting international jihad. But trump today made a pretty tall order when he basically said he would eliminate all of it in four years.
But I dont think it is very easy to do with all the unstable governments in the middle east. Unless the Us wants to work with Iran and Syria, there are no armies on the ground to accomplish this. He said something about buy american and hire american.
I am all for enforcing immigration law including everify, which i used to opposed too. Build a fence, the money has been there since 2006. But how do you make people buy american. If i want a cheap chinese knock off thats what i want. Let the market decide.
He promised to never let us down. I was uncomfortable with that because his promises were pretty tall orders to fill in four years as long as Congress still makes the laws.
Still, I like the new direction he claims to want to go in. Business the past 16 years was unbecoming, so bad it made a candidate like donald trump sound attractive to some people it would seem. I hope he tries his best to make healthcare more affordable, stop illegal immigration, make the economy better and fight those jihadis.
But I dont think it is very easy to do with all the unstable governments in the middle east. Unless the Us wants to work with Iran and Syria, there are no armies on the ground to accomplish this. He said something about buy american and hire american.
I am all for enforcing immigration law including everify, which i used to opposed too. Build a fence, the money has been there since 2006. But how do you make people buy american. If i want a cheap chinese knock off thats what i want. Let the market decide.
He promised to never let us down. I was uncomfortable with that because his promises were pretty tall orders to fill in four years as long as Congress still makes the laws.
Still, I like the new direction he claims to want to go in. Business the past 16 years was unbecoming, so bad it made a candidate like donald trump sound attractive to some people it would seem. I hope he tries his best to make healthcare more affordable, stop illegal immigration, make the economy better and fight those jihadis.
Morninggloryseed
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I hope not. He has not made any strong claims to want to stop pot rights at the state. He even made some statements that he might support federal legalization. It seems its up to congress to change the law, not trump. Or at least thats how it works.
cj
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I know how it must have felt to live in 1933 Germany. Depressing day to be an American.
swilow
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^Is it really that dire though? Catastrophic thinking is never far from the human mind but I don't think comparing trump to Hitler is all that valid. There is only very broad similarities.
Its hard, selecting a leader shouldn't come down to personal preferences in many ways but I feel like its human nature.
Did you vote/for trump?
Its hard to talk about reason in regards to a populist president.
Its hard, selecting a leader shouldn't come down to personal preferences in many ways but I feel like its human nature.
Did you vote/for trump?
Its hard to talk about reason in regards to a populist president.
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I voted for Stein.
I was undecided that morning, and even considered not going. I was having trouble finding my ID, and almost decided not to. I also didn't know who else was on the ballot (other positions), so I didn't want to be counter-productive (and I'm not a straight ticket-er).
I decided to go, though, and was still undecided, consciously, as I was backing out to go. I said aloud- "I'll vote with my heart" (not something I usually say) - I couldn't with a conscious vote for either of them. So I chose Stein (because Gary Johnson didn't even know what Aleppo is, and openly advocated for opening borders...). It was more of a choice to give that party more relevance, because I read something/heard something about this, and am tired of the current way about things. I didn't just want to vote for the lesser of evils. When I left the voting center, this vehicle was the first that I pulled out behind:
IBC is Indiana Blood Center.
I was relieved that Trump won, though- but it wasn't because I saw him as anything but the better option (not that I could "support" it getting there, with a conscious). I'll take populism over "globalism" (and things I addressed above, and others), for now- to attempt to stop the train.
I was undecided that morning, and even considered not going. I was having trouble finding my ID, and almost decided not to. I also didn't know who else was on the ballot (other positions), so I didn't want to be counter-productive (and I'm not a straight ticket-er).
I decided to go, though, and was still undecided, consciously, as I was backing out to go. I said aloud- "I'll vote with my heart" (not something I usually say) - I couldn't with a conscious vote for either of them. So I chose Stein (because Gary Johnson didn't even know what Aleppo is, and openly advocated for opening borders...). It was more of a choice to give that party more relevance, because I read something/heard something about this, and am tired of the current way about things. I didn't just want to vote for the lesser of evils. When I left the voting center, this vehicle was the first that I pulled out behind:
IBC is Indiana Blood Center.
I was relieved that Trump won, though- but it wasn't because I saw him as anything but the better option (not that I could "support" it getting there, with a conscious). I'll take populism over "globalism" (and things I addressed above, and others), for now- to attempt to stop the train.
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Escher's Waterfall
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"SJW" is the "Feminist" of the modern world.
Some are crazy, but most who talk about them show their own biases.
Some are crazy, but most who talk about them show their own biases.
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Blue_Phlame
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Bill already has his eye set on Ivanka.
Lol, oh slick Willy. You joker.
Morninggloryseed
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Wow even with all the festivities and whatnot he is still tweeting and doing facebook.
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