2016 American Presidential Campaign

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The first time I head the word diversity, after I came to Canada, I felt a metallic taste in my mouth. Because I was striving to be Canadian, share Canadian values and have a common goal with Canadians. I didn't want to be like the Pakistani or like the Indian, or like the Chinese, these cultures did not interest me, or I would have immigrated to China or Pakistan! I immigrated to Canada because I wanted to be Canadian, and I was ASTONISHED! to observe, that Canadians were becoming an endangered species. Everybody was different and to make matters worse, they found value in that! They were proud that they were being assimilated.

It seems to me like your preconceptions of the country of Canada were incorrect. Who are you to say that the Canadians are wrong for being proud of their multiculturalism? If you were so eager to share in the values of Canadians and to be a Canadian, you would share in the multiculturalism as well. Rejecting the multiculturalism of Canada makes you just as poorly integrated of an immigrant as those you're complaining about.

And while you might surrender grounds your ancestors died to conquer, the Muslim does not, he abides by Surah Al-Baqarah [2:221] and will not marry you unless you believe. He doesn't believe in diversity. But YOU sure CAN!

Some Muslims are this way, just as are Christians and Jews.

 

[Ksa]

^ They are proud because they have nothing better to do with their will, but when they face issues like a student bringing a Kirpan to school, they crawl back in their shell and unite in the true Canadian values, against that cancerous cultural element. I'm not talking about times when Canadians lose their brakes or binge drink on a Friday night until they are being put in a bathtub, we all need our moments of fun and delirium to be able to function. I'm talking about moments when Canadians go back to their fundamental values and are actually being sober and serious.

You are also using the word multiculturalism very loosely. Romania, the country I come from, is also known of as multicultural because it homes some people called the Tiganes, and that's nothing to be proud of, I guarantee you that. It's actually a stain on the face of that country so if you used the word multiculturalism in a positive light, I need to remind you that not all people share your positive view of the term.

Diversity is unity.

Yes, like the trinity, the father the son and the holy spirit are 3 and the 3 are 1. Very logical. 3 = 1. And since the holy spirit(part of God, like my hand is part of me) entered Mary's room, and got her pregnant, I have to assume that was God's genitals. And since God made man in his image, and the 3 are 1, then, I'm wondering why I'm not carving a dick and worship that instead!

Not what the dictionary says.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Diversity is unity.

Not when it's shoved down your throat constantly

 

[spacejunk]

American culture is shoved down my throat constantly.

But instead of bitching about the homogenisation of culture, or americanisation of australian culture, i just make the best of it.
I don't understand why people get so hung up on shit like "diversity", "multiculturalism" and "race".
It's the way the world is; no campaign - no matter how bitter and aggressive, on the part of the right - will ever make the world segregated again.
To me it seems ridiculous to even be having these sorts of conversations.

 

[Ksa]

American culture is shoved down my throat constantly.

But instead of bitching about the homogenisation of culture, or americanisation of australian culture, i just make the best of it.
I don't understand why people get so hung up on shit like "diversity", "multiculturalism" and "race".
It's the way the world is; no campaign - no matter how bitter and aggressive, on the part of the right - will ever make the world segregated again.
To me it seems ridiculous to even be having these sorts of conversations.

I think you're mixing up acceptance with tolerance. A multicultural country like Canada who welcomes Indian religions is tolerant of these religions but not acceptant of them because, while they may welcome these Indians in their country, they don't welcome the Kirpan in their schools. So accepting a culture is not welcoming common elements that both cultures share and rejecting elements that differ and offend or endanger society, that is tolerance.

Can you imagine, if some Indians come to USA and in their cult, when the child reaches puberty, he should not wear any clothes for a week while going to school, in order to proudly show everyone that he is now on the path of adult-ship? Naturally you will reject that cultural element because why? Because it is incompatible...with what? With multiculturalism...but naturally not. It is incompatible with USA VALUES. I'll write it in all caps. So that's not accepting that culture it is tolerating it, with terms and conditions.

People ought to stop viewing a multicultural, diverse country as a whole, it is NOT a whole. It is, and will always be, OTHER CULTURES Vs. USA CULTURE. Otherwise, what is your tool of comparison when telling right from wrong?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well if you look at the ethnic distribution of major US cities, people segregate themselves.

This is Houston, red=whites, blue=blacks, orange=hispanic

 

[spacejunk]

^ ooh, trippy.

@ksa - that's nonsense. The bit of it i read, anyway.
What have you got against Indian people?

 

[Ksa]

^ ooh, trippy.

@ksa - that's nonsense. The bit of it i read, anyway.
What have you got against Indian people?

Nothing and if an Indian brought a Kirpan to work, I would treat him like I treat others and would not feel offended. However, not many Canadians are as open-minded as I am.

What is it that you don't understand from what I wrote above? Because I understand it very well. When I was displaying features of Romanian behavior or Romanian ideology or Romanian ways of life, in Canada, my parents told me to stop acting like the retarded people we left behind and to take example from my Canadian class mates. Is anything wrong with that? Why should an Indian wear a Kirpan in Canada? What's his malfunction? Where is the short circuit?

Not that I have a problem with it, I just don't understand what ails them? Is it even treatable, because there might be medication for it. What's even the point to come here if you're not planning on changing anything? It's a paradox. It seems to me like they don't give two shits about Canadian culture/way of life and only came here for better sustenance, more money and more opportunity. So it's a transplant with high doses of anti-rejection drugs, it's not an integration.

 

[alasdairm]

Not when it's shoved down your throat constantly

you act like you have no control.

the irony of what's happening today is lost on a lot of people in this country built on immigration and diversity.



alasdair

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Guys, if you truly think 'diversity is just another word for white genocide', there's a town just for you right up in Harrison, AR. You'll love it there. There's billboards all over town funded by the KKK that say shit like that. The residents even glare at you if you're just some white outa-towner. My friend in college was from there and he was literally the only non-white kid in town. He was half black but looked kinda like a Turkish Janissary heritage almost, so all the kids at school called him towel head. His dad used to get KKK threats in the mail. I'm telling you, you'll love it there, it's the last white hold out we've got! We gotta protect the white blood! #KKK4lyfe

 

[Yourbaker]

The first time I head the word diversity, after I came to Canada, I felt a metallic taste in my mouth. Because I was striving to be Canadian, share Canadian values and have a common goal with Canadians. I didn't want to be like the Pakistani or like the Indian, or like the Chinese, these cultures did not interest me, or I would have immigrated to China or Pakistan! I immigrated to Canada because I wanted to be Canadian, and I was ASTONISHED! to observe, that Canadians were becoming an endangered species. Everybody was different and to make matters worse, they found value in that! They were proud that they were being assimilated.

Really?

Maybe just don't use Canada as an example. We are multicultural and very proud of it. We do not try to be a melting pot forcing people to give up what they are. People live happier when they can practice their customs and use their language. Being Canadian is being multicultural. You'd be surprised we do have old white men too, they earn their place in Canada, like all immigrants do. First nations people in Canada now have better birth rights, but we are still a long way behind in fixing the mistakes we made years ago.

I take from your posts you have immigrated to Canada and left your culture behind. Because of the immense size and sparse population, immigration over years happened where thousands of people from a single culture predominantly occupied areas and due to isolation their languages and cultures remained intact.

A few generations of moving working and living later and we became very accepting of each other. Being Canadian is truly the ability to rise above difference and find unity. I am an old white man, my partner is asian our land lords are Turkish, they're Muslim, my partner is Bhuddist I'm Christian. Conflict only occurs when one feels so right they want to over ride the rights of the one they perceive as wrong and make them conform.

People are not all born to be alike the melting pot is a choice you must make for you and your children, Canada choose to let everyone be themselves whenever possible.

 

[Ksa]

Guys, if you truly think 'diversity is just another word for white genocide', there's a town just for you right up in Harrison, AR. You'll love it there. There's billboards all over town funded by the KKK that say shit like that. The residents even glare at you if you're just some white outa-towner. My friend in college was from there and he was literally the only non-white kid in town. He was half black but looked kinda like a Turkish Janissary heritage almost, so all the kids at school called him towel head. His dad used to get KKK threats in the mail. I'm telling you, you'll love it there, it's the last white hold out we've got! We gotta protect the white blood! #KKK4lyfe

I don't think that at all and I condemn the KKK for their crimes against humanity. You see, if you regard a country as a human colon, you might find value in diversity, such as the safe transit of excrement. I do not see countries from a bacterial strain diversity vantage point. What you have to come to realize is that many cultures especially the ones with whom a predominant religious dogma is in place, are bearing a serious retardation. Many are unable to progress because they are stuck praying 5 times a day and everything they do has to be channeled through that narrow sewer duct that has a bad smell and is not inviting to the sight.

Some cultures are running behind and others are truly retarded. This is not hate, it is observation. Racially there's nothing wrong with them, black, white, blue...their body is functional. But culturally many run behind because they still believe in Santa Claus. Even in nature, and we know how chaotic nature can be, even in nature, there is segregation, lions by themselves, hienas by themselves, birds are in the trees and the ants in the earth. You might say they are different species, but I'm sure that a dog who meows, catches mice and avoids water will have trouble integrating even a dog pack.

Really?

Maybe just don't use Canada as an example. We are multicultural and very proud of it. I live in a town surrounded by every race, religion and custom I work in the same setting. We do not try to be a melting pot forcing people to give up what they are. People live happier when they can practice their customs and use their language. Being Canadian is being multicultural. You'd be surprised we do have old white men too, they earn their place in Canada, like all immigrants do. First nations people in Canada now have better birth rights, but we are still a long way behind in fixing the mistakes we made years ago.

Yes, and I do compliment you on your tolerance of other cultures, but if a father kills her daughter for dating a Canadian, I hope you will apply the Canadian law and that your judgement will be based on how Canadians view things and not on how that retard views things. I hope you will not pardon him because that's his custom! Even if in his retarded country it's perfectly normal and no one would judge him!

You tend to view your tolerance as acceptance. You say you accept other cultures and are proud of it, but what you in fact mean is that you only accept what's ACCEPTABLE, from the Canadian stand point. And I honestly hope that it will not change, I hope that you will not wake up one day and say that the retarded is acceptable because it's someone's custom! That's what this whole debate is about! Not about common terms but differences!

I take from your posts you have immigrated to Canada and left your culture behind. Because of the immense size and sparse population, immigration over years happened where thousands of people from a single culture predominantly occupied areas and due to isolation their languages and cultures remained intact.

A few generations of moving working and living later and we became very accepting of each other. Being Canadian is truly the ability to rise above difference and find unity. I am an old white man, my partner is asian our land lords are Turkish, they're Muslim, my partner is Bhuddist I'm Christian. Conflict only occurs when one feels so right they want to over ride the rights of the one they perceive as wrong and make them conform.

People are not all born to be alike the melting pot is a choice you must make for you and your children, Canada choose to let everyone be themselves whenever possible.

You think like someone who never experienced war or instability in their own region. You are correct, Canada is highly stable, nothing ever happens, but think about it: If problems occur with shortage of food and water, in the event of a civil war, will a Canadian Muslim pick up an AK-47 and fight on the side of a Canadian yelling Allah Wakbar! and drag his body to safety when he's hit? Right now all these cultures are united in good times, but are they gona stay united in bad times? Not sure about that, unless they all abide by Canadian ideals and all fight for the same things. If one fights for Canada, one believes in Santa Claus and the other worships Fire, not sure how that would work out.

 

[Yourbaker]

You think like someone who never experienced war or instability in their own region. You are correct, Canada is highly stable, nothing ever happens, but think about it: If problems occur with shortage of food and water, in the event of a civil war, will a Canadian Muslim pick up an AK-47 and fight on the side of a Canadian yelling Allah Wakbar! and drag his body to safety when he's hit? Right now all these cultures are united in good times, but are they gona stay united in bad times? Not sure about that, unless they all abide by Canadian ideals and all fight for the same things. If one fights for Canada, one believes in Santa Claus and the other worships Fire, not sure how that would work out.

I really cant understand how your imagined scenario is relevant in any view but I guess you live in fear of attack where you are or have issues from experience that are causing you to imagine bizarre things. Stability, which you can see in Canada, comes from co-operation vs hatred and arming ourselves to keep our neighbours in check. The fear of others that pervades your posts is not common to man, while it seems like a palpable thing to you it is a disorder, people all wish to live in peace, find out how to co-operate to make that happen and you can save the money you spent on your guns for food and water.

It has been an equal time for both nations since war I think our last conflict was 1812 when Canada was mostly native and the America attacked. Back then it was 1400 British troops 10000 native troops under Tecumseh and less then 1000 colonial homesteaders, the 100,000 man American army surrendered at the border, there were a lot of other skirmishes like the sacking of York and the sacking of Washington and burning down the west wing but in reality at the end of the day we still get along with our neighbours despite their aggressive streak.

Keeping the peace is not about having the biggest or the most weapons, in fact that will only last as long as you stay ahead and the cost will bury a nation. Keeping the peace is learning how to get along. It often requires wearing another man's shoes metaphorically.

 

[Ksa]

I really cant understand how your imagined scenario is relevant in any view but I guess you live in fear of attack where you are or have issues from experience that are causing you to imagine bizarre things. Stability, which you can see in Canada, comes from co-operation vs hatred and arming ourselves to keep our neighbours in check. The fear of others that pervades your posts is not common to man, while it seems like a palpable thing to you it is a disorder, people all wish to live in peace, find out how to co-operate to make that happen and you can save the money you spent on your guns for food and water.

It has been an equal time for both nations since war I think our last conflict was 1812 when Canada was mostly native and the America attacked. Back then it was 1400 British troops 10000 native troops under Tecumseh and less then 1000 colonial homesteaders, the 100,000 man American army surrendered at the border, there were a lot of other skirmishes like the sacking of York and the sacking of Washington and burning down the west wing but in reality at the end of the day we still get along with our neighbours despite their aggressive streak.

Keeping the peace is not about having the biggest or the most weapons, in fact that will only last as long as you stay ahead and the cost will bury a nation. Keeping the peace is learning how to get along. It often requires wearing another man's shoes metaphorically.

Canada is a great country to be in and part of what assured it's peace was that the lands were geographically undesirable. The currents are so that temperature variations are extreme, it's very cold and permafrost prevents agriculture, in most regions 9 months a year. You can argue, the Inuits lived in peace for 3,000 years, no one ever bothered them, they did not think such a thing called war would be possible, that's also because no one in their right mind planned to live over there.

I personally have nothing against Muslims, I had many Muslim friends many of which tried to convert me. This is a characteristic, at some point a Muslim will talk to you about the atom. It will happen, the jew will not but the Muslim will. He'll say it's in the book. They are great, smart people, at least my friends were, some had PhDs in engineering and other science subjects, very smart and honestly, it must be amazing to be living a Muslim life I mean, they have answers to ALL the questions. You just go and ask them they know. To them it's very simple, you're here to submit your will to God and admire his creation. God tells you everything, it's all in the book.

You know, I've read the Qur'an 15 or 20 times, I've participated in comparative religion debates, what have YOU done to understand communities like Muslims to say you're proud to have them on-board? Or are you just happy with a new addition to the zoo, regardless of what the animal is?

 

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[Yourbaker]

You know, I've read the Qur'an 15 or 20 times, I've participated in comparative religion debates, what have YOU done to understand communities like Muslims to say you're proud to have them on-board? Or are you just happy with a new addition to the zoo, regardless of what the animal is?

I've read a few religious texts maybe a dozen outside of Christianity. Maybe a few hundred christian text like 400+ over my lifetime. I tend to only read once unless I'm using canabis then I will probably have to re-read it. (I read all the time so about a book a week).The point I see is very simple, we are here to learn how to get along and decide how we want to fit in both socially and spiritually, we are given a lifetime of opportunity to decide. I struggled most of my life with all my own issues until I just couldn't juggle it all and gave up. Surprisingly that was what I needed to do, now I have no struggle and so little concern for what someone else thinks.

I really wouldn't have even posted here except you were having a go at Canadians. Defending any group is not my norm, but Canadians are just nicer overall so if you want to pick on someone we are a good target and probably won't take it personally. We aren't perfect, in fact if we didn't have USA right next to us we'd probably smell a lot worse.

I'm impressed with your effort to understand other religions it is huge deal to show respect to someone else's belief when they don't agree with yours. I made a mistake of taking my dog on a leash to a Pakistani cultural event, it became apparent after about 5 minutes dogs are not a house pet in their country and considered somewhat evil. They never said it to me but when I watched children flee from my shitzue I realized what was up. I don't know how bad of an insult it was or if it was but I won't do it again. It was an outdoor event so I thought my non black small dog would be ok.

When you speak of where do we draw the line as Canadians I do see your point, when someone else who immigrates here has a belief that says we need to change for their sake, this would be our line. I don't care what you wear or if you hop on one foot on Thursdays for religious reasons, just don't make me do it. I can respect any religious belief, I cannot give authority over me away, to anyone.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

I'm amazed at KSA assimilating into Canada's native cultures.

Anyone else wonder what First Nation he picked?

 

[SKL]

I'm amazed at KSA assimilating into Canada's native cultures.

Anyone else wonder what First Nation he picked?

Who can really take this kind of shallow cliché seriously? Either in answering it or bringing it up in the first place.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Bwahhahahaha how did he not realize he was stepping into the lions den. The theater is like a liberals super bowl for all intents and purposes.

He's also the most butthurt thin skinned person out there who seems to have the gift of hypnotism. Not kidding, when you repeat something 6 times in a row real quick it'll stick in people's head and make others ignore the other.

Just waiting for Epstein's deposition in mid-december re: pedophile island re: how Trump went on the lolita express, re: how he used Virginia Roberts like everyone else as a sex slave there. That will be fun times.

 

[Droppersneck]

Yep his few rides with Epstein for sure concerns me. Not as bad as the clintons 43 rides and staying on his island.

Have you seen all the pizza gate stuff? John podesta and the whole world wide child trafficking pedophile ring? Spookiest stuff to come out of Wikileaks for sure. They just banned the pizza gate reddit page for some trumped up claims. Right after soros doubled down on his online pay off.