2016 American Presidential Campaign

[SVNate9]

I predict that he will not even manage to deport 1 million immigrants and will end up just adding more racial tension amongst America.

I never got the whole "make America great again". Again??? It was only ever "great" for select groups of people. Some people talk as if the U.S. used to be some wonderful utopia. Give me a fucking break.

It's what conservatives have been using as their slogan for the last 60 years as it seems people fall for it and repeat it ad nauseum. Here in the UK it's "putting the great back into Great Britain."8)

 

[Morninggloryseed]

MGS's take on the electoral college

It isn't perfect at all but the idea of the EC is actually pretty clever and I probably like the nestolgia of it too...a consistent contest in an ever changing time. The United States is a constitutional republic...a uniting of 50 independent states under a federal constitution. Sadly the power of DC is far too great for my tastes and I want to see the times turned back 100 years...to more closely resemble a time before DC created drug and tax laws..with a healthy living document called the constitution to protect the rights of all people of all colors...gay and straight, sober and not-so, religious and agnostic, and the Godless too. Sigh...I might even have an amendment to protect the right of the Born to kill their unborn.

I degress...

As a republic of 50 sovereign states...each state must be recognized as a voice. Without the EC...the politics of New York and California would rule supreme over all others...if there was not some attempt to level the playing field. We are 50 states but we are not united under a common ideoligy...people have different perspectives and the constitution (and EC) help make it level for all. It is not perfect but strives to be more a more perfect union.

POTUS is decided by more than 50 separate contests...the popular vote of each state is reflected by the electorate when they speak next month...I like that. I am glad the people in fly-over land have a voice to balance out the voices of the coasts. I know Midwesterners and they have a common sense about fiscal policy (read: rejection of statism and progressive social engineering) seemingly lacking in NYC and California. NYC and California have a liberal view about different lifestyles that also is attractive to me....Midwestern values don't always coincide with my personal lifestyle choices but enough of the electorate (and future electorate) are liberal and Godless enough that I have high hopes for the future.

Most Americans 40s and younger support gay marriage and want to end the drug war....those who don't will die. Maybe...They will all drop their idealist, socialist tendencies in time (I am an optimist so let me role with it.) Liberty to the homophobic (religious freedom for Christians and Muslim all around) and homosexual...freedoms for all do not have to be contradictory!

I won't get married in your mosque or tell you what kind of bathroom your business should have...or who you have to bake a cake for...or that your alcohol or cigarettes are gross...and you leave me alone too!

I think for myself and question authority and I don't need a safe space to realize there are assholes out there and be vocal about it.

In conclusion....keep the EC...separate contests for each state remains more attractive to me over mob rule of the big cities over fly-over land..but that's just me.

I admire your optimism and faith because you've no evidence that Trump will do anything. The fact that he did not win the popular vote means there will be a lot more opposition to his radical plans. I don't see America becoming great again, I think your empire is in terminal decline. As I said, the system hasn't changed.

I totally support people protesting this debacle...

 

[Ksa]

The thing is, regardless of political factions, if people could telepathically read into each-other their feelings towards each-other, I honestly don't know how we would co-exist. If some black girl Shawna could feel how her front teeth make ME feel when I look at her, she would slap me in the face, call me racist and run to my boss to complain. But it's not my fault! It's just how my brain interprets what I see. And there would also be the good side that when a hot girl would know how I feel about her without me doing anything, it would be a better ice breaker.

I have to repeat this, I'm tired of democrat hypocrisy when they claim they are not racist. Everyone is racist to a certain degree including myself. However, my % of racism is quite low, to the point where I can befriend and find interesting a black dude, and prefer his company over the company of a white dude, but I still can't claim I'm 0% racist, that's not possible because the physical differences are there and it's visible. I would never go out with a black girl though, because I'm not attracted to them at all.

The democrat political correctness is nothing but a mask, it's not real folks. They still hate you because you're black, they are just extra careful at hiding it.

 

[SVNate9]

The democrat political correctness is nothing but a mask, it's not real folks. They still hate you because you're black, they are just extra careful at hiding it.

Says you.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Bigotry abounds...you can't legislate away stupid.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I admire your optimism and faith because you've no evidence that Trump will do anything. The fact that he did not win the popular vote means there will be a lot more opposition to his radical plans. I don't see America becoming great again, I think your empire is in terminal decline. As I said, the system hasn't changed.

I totally support people protesting this debacle...

He would have won the popular vote too if it wasn't for all those illegals in cali

 

[Morninggloryseed]

And dead people who voted for the (D)

 

[SVNate9]

And dead people who voted for the (D)

Heh

 

[Jabberwocky]

 

[SVNate9]

I find it bizarre how those who are not citizens can vote, you wouldn't be able to in the UK.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

^^^

Appropriate place for the case for a national voter ID card....not that I have strong feelings about this issue one way or the other (unintended consequences)

 

[swilow]

That's voter registration, not votes though, right?

 

[SKL]

Liberty to the homophobic (religious freedom for Christians and Muslim all around) and homosexual do not have to be contradictory!

I won't get married in your mosque or tell you what kind of bathroom your business should have...or who you have to bake a cake for...or that your alcohol or cigarettes are gross...and you leave me alone too!

I think for myself and question authority and I don't need a safe space to realize there are assholes out there and be vocal about it.

In conclusion....keep the EC...separate contests for each state remains more attractive to me over mob rule of the big cities over fly-over land..but that's just me.

I can add nothing here. This.

 

[cashfl0w_d0nkey]

In conclusion....keep the EC...separate contests for each state remains more attractive to me over mob rule of the big cities over fly-over land..but that's just me.

Look, I get it that Middle America is economically strained and life is tough there. I lived much of my life in such an area. However, I eventually moved to the East Coast where there is a thriving economy and my life is a lot better for it. The people living in cities are actually driving the economy right now and the idea that their votes should be worth less than the people who haven't changed with the times is preposterous. When you combine the fact that the people living in Middle America have worse economic prospects with the fact that on the whole, they are less educated than their urban counterparts, you are left with a gullible electorate that can be rallied with promises such as "We're going to bring coal back!", which is obviously not true, and was a major contributing factor to the most recent election. Do you really think the ex-coal miner in Appalachia should have their vote for the Executive branch (and by proxy the Judicial branch) count more than a scientist or engineer living on the east or west coast? The Senate already gives disproportionate power to the people living in less popular states.

 

[Ksa]

Says you.

And half of America. The principle of political correctness and equal opportunity is not enforceable, these people don't have equal opportunity, look in the black neighborhoods. This form of unity feels a bit like the Trinity in the Bible, the son, the father and the holy spirit are 3, but the 3 are 1. How are they 1? You can use your fingers to count and you will never solve this puzzle. In fact, verses on Trinity were thrown out the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as a fabrication.

Sure, you can put apples, mangos and avocados in the same basket and say they all taste great, but you can never say it's the same fruit, because anybody who looks can notice the difference. So the claim that every ethnic community has equal opportunity is demonstrably false, and the equation 1 apple + 1 mango = 2 apples can only be true if you're a big hypocrite and a chronic liar.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Gulliable electorate goes both ways ya know...especially with a media intent on destroying Tramp with non-stop negative coverage...didn't NYT just apologize for their one sided coverage? If the media had a more balanced coverage of the election...I think far less would have actually voted for Clinton.

Ps...try looking at the 2016 electoral map...all kinds of people everywhere voted for Trump. He won with the voters of the Midwest as well as Florida, the south, Arizona, Penstate, and many others. Just sayin

Look, I get it that Middle America is economically strained and life is tough there. I lived much of my life in such an area. However, I eventually moved to the East Coast where there is a thriving economy and my life is a lot better for it. The people living in cities are actually driving the economy right now and the idea that their votes should be worth less than the people who haven't changed with the times is preposterous. When you combine the fact that the people living in Middle America have worse economic prospects with the fact that on the whole, they are less educated than their urban counterparts, you are left with a gullible electorate that can be rallied with promises such as "We're going to bring coal back!", which is obviously not true, and was a major contributing factor to the most recent election. Do you really think the ex-coal miner in Appalachia should have their vote for the Executive branch (and by proxy the Judicial branch) count more than a scientist or engineer living on the east or west coast? The Senate already gives disproportionate power to the people living in less popular states.

 

[swilow]

And half of America. The principle of political correctness and equal opportunity is not enforceable, these people don't have equal opportunity, look in the black neighborhoods. This form of unity feels a bit like the Trinity in the Bible, the son, the father and the holy spirit are 3, but the 3 are 1. How are they 1? You can use your fingers to count and you will never solve this puzzle. In fact, verses on Trinity were thrown out the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as a fabrication.

Sure, you can put apples, mangos and avocados in the same basket and say they all taste great, but you can never say it's the same fruit, because anybody who looks can notice the difference. So the claim that every ethnic community has equal opportunity is demonstrably false, and the equation 1 apple + 1 mango = 2 apples can only be true if you're a big hypocrite and a chronic liar.

If you had a basket with a granny smith and a pink lady, you have a basket of apples. You may prefer one to the other but that doesn't change their appleness.

 

[LandsUnknown]

It's interesting seeing this play out. While I won't like him regardless of his policies, since he's a racist, narcissist, and has groped numerous unsuspecting women, he doesn't seem anything like the horrible candidate persona. On 60 Minutes today, he was calm, collected, and rational. When he discussed his policies, none of it really sounded so bad. I wouldn't say it sounded good particularly, but it didn't sound bad. I'll say that I would be quite pleased and impressed if he did actually manage to bring industry and jobs back to the country, but I think he's got his work cut out on that one. Politicians have tried and failed at doing that for years, and I doubt that he's going to be any different. Hopefully, I'm wrong though. I still find it pretty scary that he appointed Stephen Bannan and Rudy Guiliani to cabinet positions. He claims to be draining the swamp, but he seems to be bringing in plenty of new swamp creatures.

 

[David Wooderson]

It amazes me that the ppl that obviously are unhappy about Pres. Trump still havent learned anything or done any self reflecting.

Trump won bc over the past 8 years Pres. Obama lost 10 million votes. That is astonishing, and still no self evaluation. The same polls that had Hillary up by 90% nov 7th are the sane assholes who give obama his approval ratings, only you dont need to be a citizen to vote for approval.

The left cried racist, too many times, when things have never been better for ppl of color. They wanted there cake and to eat it too. They wanted to do some cracking.

They force fed a steady diet of deviance since the current administration took office and began during the Clinton era.

Social justice has turned into pinko brainwash. It backfired so badly you'd think the political pundits were in a news themed bukkake film.

Its not the whitemans fault he won, its the lazy sloths of this country that sat on their fat ass's and refused to vote.

I registered at least 100 new voters personally =)

I win

 

[SKL]

Perhaps my own idiosyncratic idea, or maybe someone's actually proposed it, but I'd like to see abolishing the electoral college, making a national public vote, winner taking all, but the value of an individuals vote being multiplied by a weighing factor calculated proportionally, i.e. V_weighted = (H+2)/H; where H is the number of house seats to what his advantage under the electoral college system would be by his state of residence; this keeps the advantages of proportional representation not only numerically but geographically as well, but makes it a truly national contest without the focus on winning "battleground states" or not having to worry about "safe states" for a particular party, allowing more votes to "count" while simplifying things and avoiding havinf to explain situations where the election is lost but a majority of the "popular vote" is won. (I rather strongly suspect Trump would have still won if this were the system in place but you'd have to do the math …)