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How likely do you think it is that either candidate could fix the election? There are strong safeguards agaisnt it. They were both part of the establishment, but in their own way. HRC was part of the political establishment, and Trump is part of the economic and media establishment. There might have been instances of fraud on either side, but since both candidates were establishment candidates, maybe any fraud was too minor or it countered itself.



What yoru asking is like asking if the brexit vote was fixed.

edit: When somebody says the election was rigged, I usually take it to mean that the slection of the candidates was unfair and blatantly rigged. The case here is that the selection of HRC over Sansers was rigged.

The DNC itself is corrupt. The DNC party boss, DSW, was HRC's former campaing manager, and many top officials were here admireres and former aides. They were all either bought off or hypnotized by her cult of personality.

Polls show that Sanders could have easily beat Trump. President Trump is the consequence of the rigged primaires.
 
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I have never been this depressed by an election in my life. Depressed and terrified. And that is all I can say tonight.

I know the feeling. When in 2011 the House of Commons in Canada passed a resolution of non-confidence in the always minority government of the "Conservatives" (I can explain later why I put that in quotes when it comes to the new Tories in Canada). Stephen Harper was the most creepy, reactionary(he was the first world leader to go batshit over Crimea returning to Russia and started the sanctions bullshit). He even gave 3 days the guys in the Iranian embassy to leave and destroyed the building. Anyway after 2 elections where all he got was a weak minority government (only his adversaries had weaker leaders), in 2011, after that vote of non-confidence, he had to start elections again, which pissed him off really bad, if he could have sent then "Defense" Minister John Baird fat ass' with a baseball bat to the NDP and Liberal Party seats he would have (John Baird was his big idiot Defense minister, the only one never reshuffled). So elections in 2011, turns out, Canada never had a coalition government, but under the rules we can, no third party never became as big as the NDP, and the NDP is a serious left party, social-democrat. So the NDP and the Liberals wanted to make a coalition government, when in the past the Libs had been stupid and by spite did not vote on things the NDP voted against so did not block all the crazy crap coming from that minority conservative government. But now they had enough and were going to have a coalition government for the first time in Canada. He actually said it was illegal to do so and blah blah blah he prorogued Parliament for december and early January, the whole of december, the election was in November sometimes in 2011, late October I think so he did this majorly illegal thing I won't bore you with, and even convinced his party to block a popular motion (now that they were a Majority government...the Coalition on the other side was the only thing that could prevent that) so that's it's like in Britain (and Australia too is my understanding), where a party can kick out the PM back to a regular MP seat, like they did with Thatcher, when that "woman"...heh, look at NOFX's third EP in the 80's, in 86, "The P.M.R.C. Can Suck On This" and look at the album art to see what I think the relationship between Reagan and Thatcher was...their song Ronnie & Mags is pretty good and hilarious too.

So, yeah, be glad this guy Stephen Harper was not American...he was not a "Conservative", he was from the Reform Party, a hardline right wing bordering on Fascist party that merged with the Progressive-Conservative Party in the 90's which was reduced to 3 seats, less than the Reform Party, less than the Canadian Alliance (same kind of shit as the Reform Party, although openly racist against natives and immigrants). So Harper was a kind of John Birch Society guy being PM of Canada, imagine that as President of the US, we would all have died back in 2013 when the US intervened illegally in Ukrainian affairs, nukes would have flied everywhere. He can't wait for it (Harper), he goes to the kind of Christian Identity church, one of the few in Canada, but that (un)surprisingly has a lot of rich oil men from western Canada in it, who can't wait for Israel to be nuked so it forces Christ to come back...for what purpose...I don't even know...that shit is Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alberta longitude insanity to me, sorry if I misplaced Nebraska, I forgot what's on north of Oklahoma.

Not too bad, Trump did not speak ill of native americans, which Harper would do, until he found that doing so was bad for his votes...4 years into power.

Anyway, feels, I got them too man. That illegal majority government by the Harperites was scary and almost turned Canada, and probably successfully turned Alberta and Saskatchewan into a safe haven for neo nazi Ukrainians, Canada has the largest Ukrainian expats community, close to 2 million. A lot of them, in central/western Canada, the french and the british did not want to be mixed with eastern europeans and sent them to colonize the west, and they were brutal, while in good old 1700's lower and upper Canada (Ontario and Quebec), we made peace with Indians, although they purposefully chose to have reserves way up north to protect themselves from our European diseases. And now they show how unpractical it is to live where they live now, where there's nothing to do, so some guys take train rides to Toronto, fill up on crack, H, everything and make living for nothing bearable. Although they are getting out, slowly out of that self-destructive way we basically ingrained in their DNA when we introduced them to alcohol.
 
How likely do you think it is that either candidate could fix the election? There are strong safeguards agaisnt it. They were both part of the establishment, but in their own way. HRC was part of the political establishment, and Trump is part of the economic and media establishment. There might have been instances of fraud on either side, but since both candidates were establishment candidates, maybe any fraud was too minor or it countered itself.



What yoru asking is like asking if the brexit vote was fixed.

edit: When somebody says the election was rigged, I usually take it to mean that the slection of the candidates was unfair and sometimes blatantly rigged. The case here is that the selection of HRC over Sansers was rigged. Sanders could have easily beat Trump.

Yeah, this whole time, until Bernie was forced (and some say his Secret Service guys gave him a slight beating not to do what's legal and fight Hitlery at the convention, the day after he said he supported her, he said he quit the Democrat party and had this gash on his face. He had it the last day he was at the convention, when the walk-outs happened, Joe Sacco, whom I hope was elected, Democrat for the first district of Las Vegas, saw some commotion going on around Sanders and then, his Secret Service details were removed even if he was still in the race technically. The pictures of his face on that day are pretty telling, looks like he's about to throw up too.

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I'm almost scared that Hillary will use her current ObamaCo State Dept contacts to do some really bad shit out of spite, we're not done with her yet.
 
edit: When somebody says the election was rigged, I usually take it to mean that the slection of the candidates was unfair and blatantly rigged. The case here is that the selection of HRC over Sansers was rigged.

The DNC itself is corrupt. The DNC party boss, DSW, was HRC's former campaing manager, and many top officials were here admireres and former aides. They were all either bought off or hypnotized by her cult of personality.

Polls show that Sanders could have easily beat Trump. President Trump is the consequence of the rigged primaires.

Yes the DNC fucked itself, worse they probably haven't learned their lesson at all instead they'll say it's because Hillary adopted Bernies platform and was too liberal and progressive. Fucking barf. She ran as a moderate during 2008 and lost to an unknown black man with a middle eastern name. She had competition from a socialist Jew. They can't just accept that she's a terrible candidate.

She won against Bernie using the south which Trump won because of Pence and the supreme court, everybody fucking knew a democrat was never going to take it. All of the midwest states that Trump won Bernie won handily on his anti free trade platform and the promise of bringing back manufacturing jobs same as Trump. I don't know for sure that Bernie would have won but he definitely would have been more competitive. What a God damned shit show.
 
Lol Hilary is losing in Pennsylvania...what a fucking embarrassment!

Good prediction coming true there. The thing is, African Americans voted TRUMP by the millions because Obama fucked them over worst than any white president I mean...here's them thinking oh, we have a black president now...and then tightening their belts and tightening and tightening...then, brought down to despair they go like WHAT THE FUCK!!! HE'S BLACK!! WHY ISN'T HE HELPING US!!!!

Well, TRUMP will be taking care of them now. There will be no more broken/hanging basketball nets and needles to walk on while playing friendly matches in black neighborhoods.
 
Good prediction coming true there. The thing is, African Americans voted TRUMP by the millions because Obama fucked them over worst than any white president I mean...here's them thinking oh, we have a black president now...and then tightening their belts and tightening and tightening...then, brought down to despair they go like WHAT THE FUCK!!! HE'S BLACK!! WHY ISN'T HE HELPING US!!!!

Well, TRUMP will be taking care of them now. There will be no more broken/hanging basketball nets and needles to walk on while playing friendly matches in black neighborhoods.

Poe.
 
Good prediction coming true there. The thing is, African Americans voted TRUMP by the millions because Obama fucked them over worst than any white president I mean...here's them thinking oh, we have a black president now...and then tightening their belts and tightening and tightening...then, brought down to despair they go like WHAT THE FUCK!!! HE'S BLACK!! WHY ISN'T HE HELPING US!!!!

Well, TRUMP will be taking care of them now. There will be no more broken/hanging basketball nets and needles to walk on while playing friendly matches in black neighborhoods.

Being that I live, work, drink, and spend time with a lot of Blacks, anecdotally, that last part, rings true. He, in their eyes, was at first a Messiah, and parted a the Uncle Tom of all time, to borrow a phrase from one of my (Black) friends and coworkers. Who is voting for Trump. Not on any specific issues. Just to get something outside the norm, basically.
 
I'd rather see the military takeover if the agenda #1 is always what the CIA has in mind, the CIA handles itself well with the state dept, where a lot of state dept employees are also agents. The military/DIA doesn't seem to agree with many of the crazy foreign policies of this supposedly civilian organization. At least, we'd have no charade. Obama isn't lying when he says his administration is the most transparent ever, #1 Yes, they allow a lot more FOIA by people, now the real point of me saying that, they're not shy about legalizing things that should not be legal, government wise. They write it on their spiderweb of government websites.

Well, I'm going back to not following the news unless I hear somebody say that the US is finally doing the last part of their cleaning up of daesh in Iraq. They're practically all dead in Syria thanks to Russia, now what remains is Al-Nusra and Ansar Al Sham whom together consider themselves "the Army of Conquest" who are getting ripped in their stronghold of the Aleppo suburbs, it's strange how they never really managed to get all of Aleppo and the Syrian Arab Army is able to sustain being encircled (until about 8-10 months ago) in downtown Aleppo, now the M5, the motorway 5 between Damascus, Homs, and Aleppo is clear for non-combatant citizens and the army. I wouldn't be surprised Clinton to use whatever leverage she still has in the state dept, even though she's not there anymore, to cause some Very Stupid And Dangerous attack on the Russian "advisors" and "trainers" (using the same language the US does for commandos with the Russians, I'm honest.

But think of it, Obama's 8 years...which are not over, he's still got 3 months, and I am certain that the Mosul liberation in Iraq mission is not happening because he's preparing something big in Syria to leave Trump to deal with. Nevermind the interest of the US, it will be funny to see a completely retarded fat pedophile like him (and I wonder what advisors he will have...Adnam Kashoggi? Roger Stone? It's practically bringing back Nixon what's going on here.

I want you guys to remember that currently Donald Trump is in court over a lot of rape charges, and the women do not ask for money. He's friends with that murky billionaire pedophile (literally) Jeffrey Epstein who lives in Palm Beach...right next to him, right next to Maro Lago. It's been going on since a year+ but only the Bill Clinton and Alan Dershowitz part of the story came out, oh and Prince Andrews, maybe 48 hours until I think the state decided to tell their media assets to kill the story. But it comes back, always, that sleazebag pedo Epstein is friends with a hell lot of influential rich people, while he has billions producing nothing, he's a money manager, only known client of his, Lesley Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret but also American chain stores of clothes for girls who are 10-12 which are really provocative, which would be okay on a 16 year old but def not a 10-12 or even 14 (Canada only recently made age of consent 16 heh).

There's a bunch of Jane Does, but the main one is Kathy "Johnson" who's name is sealed by the court who claims her and all the girls who also sue him is related to girls who worked at Maro Lago, who then got to know Jeffrey Epstein as he went there often, and also is the damn neighbour which in his house, there is framed "art" of underage girls pictures on the walls everywhere....like wtf. And he took Epstein's plane to his private island in the American Virgin Islands, often, it's released public domain info by now, the modified 737 that Epstein owns, well the pilot would register the flyers and well, there you go. Also the little black book of his ex-butler at his New York Town House (the largest most expensive house on New York City land), the butler encircled certain people, and those certain people would also have numbers of their children, wives etc. He's got like 19 phone numbers for Bill Clinton...even more for Trump and his family. It was released on Gawker like last year or 2 years ago...this stuff started 2 years ago...the legal stuff I mean and by that, I mean, the new legal stuff relating to Epstein.

There's so many ways for things to get ugly that none of these people elected or not would be President, and it would likely, I don't know what happens if a President or Presidential Candidate is actually charged with something in between the lull until Jan 19th or whatever for illegal acts committed before by them. New election of Kaine vs. Pence ? Believe it or not, it's not over.

Maro Lago, let's make rape great again.
 
^^tl;dr:
1) Out of revenge, HRC/Obama will create a crisis in the Middle East for Trump to deal with.
This wouldn't surprise me.
2) Trump is in big legal trouble and will be disqualified or impeached and never make it to the White House.
I haven't been following this, and I haven't heard of anything beyond groping and nasty comments about women.
 
Everyone knows he's a sleaze bag, that's beside the point. If he gets impeached whatever.

Don't blame me. I wanted a coup. Maybe Trump will be so disastrous that we'll get one, hopefully that won't just involve handing power back over to the WASP/Jewish/coastal-social-liberal bureaucratic Establishment. But the military is fed up with plenty of that stuff too.
 
^^tl;dr:
1) Out of revenge, HRC/Obama will create a crisis in the Middle East for Trump to deal with.
This wouldn't surprise me.
2) Trump is in big legal trouble and will be disqualified or impeached and never make it to the White House.
I haven't been following this, and I haven't heard of anything beyond groping and nasty comments about women.

It's there, I can give you links to podcasts by people who do serious research, also, they have show files for whatever they talk about, so there's links. Pearse Redmond and Ed Opperman are the best in this subject. It's actually a long term thing, Epstein was charged in what 2006 and he's so rich he had paid the local sheriff a new aisle in the local county prison, and he was given a sweetheart of a deal, 13 months, when he was given 16 months, and only in that new aisle with no prisoners, could get multiple visits a day, was on work leave everyday except Sundays where he had to stay at the jail, but could still have visits. Nobody on this entire site has enough money to pull this off.

What Trump said of his neighbour to New York Magazine in 2002, later reprinted in the online version of Vanity Fair : "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York Magazine back in 2002. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life." He's been with him a hell lot of time. Now he pretends he doesn't know the guy or says oh he's a member of the club at Maro Lago, I only saw once or twice. Those are paraphrases of mine, but you get the point. This quote is verbatim. In fact the girl who was a sex slave for 15 years at Epstein's private island...where really nasty shit has happened according to her, who has come out, Virginia Roberts, who's 29 now, but when Epstein grabbed her and had her groomed by Ghislaine Maxwell, a woman who was at Chelsea Clinton's marriage, look for the pictures, she was 14, look for a picture of Virginia Roberts Staten Island ferry, she's just a little innocent kid wearing normal kid clothing.

Where did Epstein meet Virginia Roberts when she was 14 ? She was a bathroom attendant at Maro Lago. All of this implicates Trump and Bill Clinton.

I'm gonna leave this here...





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk-4GokiT6A

This one is not by guys I find amazing, they just got their info from Opperman and Redmond, who researched massively, but that's okay.

Oh and Alan Dershowitz was in that little black book, he created a mess, suing his own lawyers, going on about how he's a respected Harvard law professor (he's an insane degenerate ever before knowing his relationship to Trump/Clinton/Epstein, talking about how torture has to be legal, and that if we're to use microscopic needles inserted between the teeth of somebody to torture them to have them say something, well those special torture needles have to be sterilized ya know, we're not barbarians!) has been battling in courts for the last 2-3 years over this, first he said he got a massage where he kept his towel on in the plane by a woman in her fourties named Olga, then later on he said he might not have seen Bill Clinton or Donald Trump at the island, but he's definitely seen other people who are very wealthy, so suddenly he admitted to being on the island and he abandoned suing his own lawyers and he ended up saying that he did have sex with a woman at the island but it was not Virginia Roberts and that she was willing and consenting. Now we don't hear much about him more, but yeah.

That's the kind of guy who's supposed to become president in 2 months ½.
 
Billionaire real estate magnate?
Maybe i'm reading between the lines to think the corporate media domination and the state of the post-global economy has anything to do with capitalism...

I guess it makes sense that someone who looks for a critique of capitalism at every turn would find capitalism as the root cause. As the saying goes, a hammer sees everything as a nail.
 
I'll freely admit I voted for HRC. I wanted to vote for Gary Johnson but I just couldn't justify a vote for anyone who bombed such basic questions as "Aleppo?" and "Name one world leader you admire." That said, I never liked HRC. Not since the day Bill was elected and she equated "First Lady" with "co-president." I'm not happy but I can understand the country's reaction.
 
I'm amazed at the lack of class consciousness/awareness of class among putative leftists. This remark is pretty offensive tbh.

I don't vote. I'm happy but not ecstatic about the outcome. My real worry will be that if Trump does badly and becomes a one term president and the next president after that is a leftist who has some SCOTUS vacancies if Trump doesn't.
I just want to point out that it was an intentionally inflammatory statement. Offense was intended. I can't argue that I don't disagree with you and many others SKL, on a great many issues. Hey what can I say, I'm a child; I watched tv; the president says mean things to people for no good god damned reason so why shouldn't I? Seriously though, think how our youth will be affected by the fact that a potty-mouthed ass-hat is president. I know lots of intelligent individuals who voted for Trump, my father included. Many of my friends supported him (some of which I certainly don't respect, others I regard as smarter than I at times). Essentially what I'm trying to get at, is that I feel people should have known better. What was our education for if not to make us good citizens who vote with their brain rather than their heart?

I have to wonder what sort of drastic policies will ensue now. Will he truly go after the Roe vs Wade decision? Are we really gonna deport shit tons of immigrants? Is national security really going to tighten? Is he really going to reinstate all the provisions of the Patriot Act (that which frightens me most)? Are we really going to repeal the Affordable Healthcare act and replace it with nothing under the guise of 'states rights' so that in Texas and the like only rich people can go to the doctor for a reasonable price?

The change will be rapid now under an all Republican rule with House/Senate/President. I don't honestly know if I'm looking forward to hearing what they'll put forward or fear it. It's true that our economy needs upheaval but trickle-down economics never worked, and that's what Republicans stand for because they stand to benefit the most.
 
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The Neocons did not get their candidate. So a lot of the Republican Party is just happy (for now, Trump could end up in prison before christmas) they'll have a good old times Dubya post 9-11 all-red government. Dubya had the decency of having one Democrat in his government (Mineta) and he really gave juice to all the hatred rational people have towards Dick Cheney. It's hilarious that the states Trump DAMAGED for so long, NY and NJ did not vote for him. They know his shenanigans and bullshit. Nevada was programmed to be won by Democrats...and not the Democrat who could crush Trump, it's where the worst Clinton-esque egregious misbehaviour primary stealing happened in the most obvious way with cops arresting and hurting Sanders delegates for no reason.

But let's be clear, the most neo-con like things he said, he doesn't believe it, he doesn't even know what he believes, he'll be sheltered like Nixon if not put to justice and behind bars along Hitlery, with advisors telling him what to do, where the Neocons in the state dept in particular can step in. At least we know he doesn't hate Putin for no reason...that's a sign we'll be alive in summer 2017...I wonder if my southern friends will be happy about that though...
 
Good prediction coming true there. The thing is, African Americans voted TRUMP by the millions because Obama fucked them over worst than any white president I mean...here's them thinking oh, we have a black president now...and then tightening their belts and tightening and tightening...then, brought down to despair they go like WHAT THE FUCK!!! HE'S BLACK!! WHY ISN'T HE HELPING US!!!!

Well, TRUMP will be taking care of them now. There will be no more broken/hanging basketball nets and needles to walk on while playing friendly matches in black neighborhoods.

At least in the southern states you don't think it was because of voter suppression? In the rich white neighborhoods you go in and vote, it takes 15 minutes. In the historically poor black neighborhoods they purposely cut voting sites to one and it took hours. Had a gut feeling it would come down to that since that's where Clinton did best. When you have judges saying black people where targeted with "surgical precision" you know things are fucked.

I'll give you blacks in places like Michigan voted for Trump because they felt the effects of free trade agreements there like everyone else did. Bernie should have been the candidate.
 
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What a beautiful and yuge day for all!!!!!!
I honestly cant yet believe it myself, tears of joy guys!

First America now the world!
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