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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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100,000 unarmed malnourished lisping degenerates.

My main fear would be fleas and lice.

Give me 300 men and it would be like the movie.

Way to be insulting for no reason. Wouldn't it be lovely if the right wingers could actually be civil? Why do you feel the need to resort to insults?

It always seems the more truthful an argument is presented, the more nasty these people become. I suppose when thinking about how effective a tool fear has been on this segment of the population, we shouldn't be surprised.

I am going to start reporting ad-hominem attacks which have no basis in reality. If you want to talk shit go somewhere else.
 
The one and only time the Superdelegates had to decide a truly contested convention was in 1980. Saying he'd be the first person to do it makes it sound like Superdelegates decide the nominee all the time. They don't.
no, superdelegates do not decide the nominee all the time; but for sanders to win, the superdelegates would have to decide the nominee this time.
I thought this was something we agreed upon? There is no reason to think sanders is going to end up with more delegates and at the moment he has approx 40 pledged superdelegates.

*not sure if this wiki is reliable-List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
 
I'll ask the question again to the Bernie people...

Do you agree with the statement "a wage increase without a proportional increase in labor productivity will necessarily lead to a proportional increase in inflation"? If yes, what proposals are being made alongside Fight for Fifteen's wage demand that address labor productivity? If no, which part of the statement is flawed and why?

What's flawed is this is entirely a backwards way to look at it. The problem is minimum wage hasn't been increasing with inflation as it used to in the past, the top just keeps the entire pie while the little guys fight over the crumbs. Of course they're only interested in money so prices will go up which is why they need to be regulated. If businesses are people then they're sociopaths. We shouldn't let sociopaths run around freely.
 
I love all these polls that have Hilary beating trump In the general. I can see Hilary supporters and why they support her my brother inlaw supports her bc he is an injury attorney and that is who you support in that business. Getting his pic with bill next week even though he doesn't like her. Im glad for the good of the nation that somebody with such crack pot ideas as Bernie got shot down by the public. But he got way too close for comfort. Far leftist regimes have used young people as useful idiots for hundreds of years. They capitalize on the energy, passion, and uninformed nature of he typical youth. Promise pie in the sky things for free, blame the rich, and engage in other class/ race division politics. Trump is using generic tactics of the far right, but at least that's grounded in reason. A country isn't a country without borders and rule of law. The dude isn't racist and the more the idiots drone on about it the more they fire up the base and bring in people that are fed up with all the nonsense tactics used to divide people and shut down free speech. All IMO of course

That you characterize Bernie's campaign as some communist plot to enslave the U.S. is laughable, while you ignore Trumps parallel to fascist regimes. He's literally read Hitlers speeches and is cultivating a strong man image to cater the fears of his right wing base. It's far more frightening that he's actually succeeding on this platform.
 
I'll ask the question again to the Bernie people...

Do you agree with the statement "a wage increase without a proportional increase in labor productivity will necessarily lead to a proportional increase in inflation"? If yes, what proposals are being made alongside Fight for Fifteen's wage demand that address labor productivity? If no, which part of the statement is flawed and why?

What's flawed is this is entirely a backwards way to look at it. The problem is minimum wage hasn't been increasing with inflation as it used to in the past, the top just keeps the entire pie while the little guys fight over the crumbs. Of course they're only interested in money so prices will go up which is why they need to be regulated. If businesses are people then they're sociopaths. We shouldn't let sociopaths run around freely.
i tend to agree with this way of looking at it.
The scare tactics about minimum wage increases are little more than that - scare tactics.

Personally, i know that when i earn a better wage, i am a happier, healthier and more productive worker.
That must surely be of benefit to more than myself and my employer.
Multiply that by the amount of people who would be affected (positively) by a change in the minimum wage, and it becomes a much bigger social shift than that of a single worker and their family.

I can't comment specifically on the finer points of your question, because i don't fully understand the finer points of how the labour market works in the USA - but i think i earned more than $15 flipping burgers in high school.
The idea that people are employed but still desperately poor and unable to support their basic living needs - shelter, food, health care - is fairly unique in the Western world, and (in my opinion) a pretty unacceptable situation in a nation as wealthy and powerful as the USA.
There may be "teething problems" in legislating a $15 minimum wage - but i feel that any such risk is justified, as the situation now, for many working class and lower income americans is simply untenable.

If people in service industries, for example, earned a livable wage and no longer had to rely on 'tips' from customers - think about how much customers would save.
Would it offset potential rises in inflation? I don't know; i'm not an economist and am merely speculating.

But coming from a country where 'tipping culture' is not obligatory, and low-paid workers have fought for centuries for a better deal (such as a 'fair' minimum wage, the 8 hour working day as standard, the 5 day working week, and so on) - it seems ridiculous to resist increasing the lowest paid workers, should it potentially have negative economic consequences.

Surely paying low-income workers enough money to live on - as well as to participate a bit more in the consumer economy - can have a range of positive wider economic impacts as well?

I'm unconvinced that paying low income earners more could be anything but a positive thing - especially in light of the obscene amounts of money paid to company CEOs and other corporate executives.
 
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<----total lisping degenerate and proud. Keep your daughters away. I also like to mince around all the time...lol.

It is obscene what CEOs are paid. The whole idea of a golden parachute is pretty horrible. If a person does a bad enough job that a company tanks, they should never be given the means to continue supporting their own bad ideas.
 
<----total lisping degenerate and proud. Keep your daughters away. I also like to mince around all the time...lol.

It is obscene what CEOs are paid. The whole idea of a golden parachute is pretty horrible. If a person does a bad enough job that a company tanks, they should never be given the means to continue supporting their own bad ideas.

No way dude those people earned it, making 700% more than the bottom workers is just what's fair. They had to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps; nepotism, cronyism don't exist and if they do you ignore it just keep working hard and stabbing other poor people in the back so one day you too can be on top. Because one in a couple of million is a hardup minority that worked themselves out of it makes it all okay, somehow.

(I really want to know what the race and back round of all these bootstrappy objectivist on bluelight is. What kind of family do they come from, Who paid for their college etc. these--people--ranting about poor people "stealing" almost always come from privilege)
 
That you characterize Bernie's campaign as some communist plot to enslave the U.S. is laughable, while you ignore Trumps parallel to fascist regimes. He's literally read Hitlers speeches and is cultivating a strong man image to cater the fears of his right wing base. It's far more frightening that he's actually succeeding on this platform.

Lol... like "leftist regimes"??? It's Bernie Sanders, not fucking Mao.
 
(I really want to know what the race and back round of all these bootstrappy objectivist on bluelight is. What kind of family do they come from, Who paid for their college etc. these--people--ranting about poor people "stealing" almost always come from privilege)

Haha. I guarantee that you grew up more privileged than I did. My mother traded food stamps for crack. I called 911 for her like 6 different times growing up with the sole purpose of her getting a shot of dilaudid at the hospital. (she was addicted and traded all her pills for crack, she would just pretend she had trouble breathing and they would take her, paid for by Medicaid of course) She likes the hospital, spends a lot of time there. (free food, drugs, cable, etc..) She now gets social security 700 a month or something. My dad is pretty much the same except he was never around, he made less than $10,000 last year as a day laborer.

To this day, at 25 years old, I have only gone to see a doctor once. I have never been to a dentist. I haven't been to college.

Boo hoo. That's life. Taxation is still extortion. Personal circumstances do not change that.
 
Boo hoo. That's life. Taxation is still extortion. Personal circumstances do not change that.

You haven't offered an alternative. We can condemn taxes all we want, but who is going to act as the fire department? The police? Who's going to build public roadways? Who's going to form the military?

At my old job I worked 40 hours per week, and made on average ~290 before taxes. After taxes I was looking at about 140. Was I happy about that? no. Do I see the necessity, obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be holding contrasting views.

Call it theft, call it rape call it extortion. It's a necessary evil as there MUST be a commons.

If You're onboard with that concept and are more focused on distribution reform, that's something I can get on board with.
 
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^ 140USD per week? in Austria, you don't pay income tax with that kind of income at all. only social security fee, which is 18% of your gross income.
 
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