Shimmer.Fade
Bluelighter
Is that $60 for you to spend on what you want, or does it have to go somewhere else?
2016 American Presidential Campaign
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Is that $60 for you to spend on what you want, or does it have to go somewhere else?
superelephant
Bluelighter
Theft is defined as the taking and removing of property with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it, theft requires property. This statement is a self contradiction.
*produces a previously agreed upon $2k worth of services today, gets paid a previously agreed upon $60 for the day.
fixed that for you.
manboychef
Bluelighter
superelephant: If you do not have the means already, you are forced as a worker to take what you can get. It is one reason our economy is stagnant.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
7% of registered Dems in Bernie's hometown, and only in Bernie's hometown, mysteriously vanish from the voter rolls making them unable to vote yesterday and nobody bats an eye. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/47489...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160419
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/19/47489...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160419
superelephant
Bluelighter
No one is forcing to pay more for those things than you agree to.
Where is this person/entity/magic fairy/thing that's going around forcing people into agreements?
You guys need to raise an extraordinary amount of hell or this will certainly happen again.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
I don't understand the "mutual agreement" thing. One HAS to work, and perhaps this particular establishment is the only one that will offer a job. That's not a practical choice. That's perform the services or die. Plus, most workers don't get a choice in their wage. You can't barter your wage. The wage is the wage. Take it or leave it.
Or rob the guys in the suits as they exit as we watch the evening news pondering why the crime rate is so high.
Shimmer.Fade
Bluelighter
Bardo, you CAN barter your wage. You just have to make yourself that much more appealing or go somewhere where your skill set is needed. I'm surprised more Americans aren't ditching the US yet for places where they should be able to compete better (sometimes simply because of the language you speak and where you are from), or at least gather experience to separate themselves from the normal job applicants.
q: why do anarchists only drink herbal tea?
a: [spoil]because proper tea is theft[/spoil]
alasdair
a: [spoil]because proper tea is theft[/spoil]
alasdair
Honestly I'm beginning to get curious on how a Trump presidency would roll just because he's only beholden to his own ego. He used to believe in climate change and want Universal Healthcare before he ran for president and that was only a year ago... of course that could only be because he worked in Hollywood and he was pandering to them like he's pandering to bigotry for Republicans now. The worse thing would be him being like Reagan/Bush +on steroids and finally killing off the U.S. but that would effectively destroy the republican party.
If so many supreme court nominees weren't up for grabs I would vote for him but I will just vote for Jill Stein. I live in a place where Hillary will win no matter who I vote for might as well help the green party. I'm happy I get to vote for Bernie anyways even if just once. But they will never, ever let him win. Obama wouldn't have won either if he didn't have the black vote there was so much fuckery against him but he was able to dismiss it... well that and he ended up accepting establishment help in the end. Bernie never stood a shot. I'm shocked he got as far as he did.
If so many supreme court nominees weren't up for grabs I would vote for him but I will just vote for Jill Stein. I live in a place where Hillary will win no matter who I vote for might as well help the green party. I'm happy I get to vote for Bernie anyways even if just once. But they will never, ever let him win. Obama wouldn't have won either if he didn't have the black vote there was so much fuckery against him but he was able to dismiss it... well that and he ended up accepting establishment help in the end. Bernie never stood a shot. I'm shocked he got as far as he did.
Just A Guy
Bluelight Crew
q: why do anarchists only drink herbal tea?
a: [spoil]because proper tea is theft[/spoil]
alasdair
lol
Phil.McKeer
Bluelighter
Regardless of yesterdays loss and the voter fraud fuckery, what are our chances of winning? What if we win Cali, for instance.
Probably depends on how many college kids they can get to do vote by mail. I'd look at Oregon to see how well this works. If he can't make Hillary non-viable in Oregon then he's really done. I mean he's pretty much done now but he should dominate in Oregon where everyone is automatically registered to vote, there's vote by mail and huge college towns.
GenericMind
Bluelighter
It'll be almost impossible for either candidate to secure the nomination before the convention now, so both of them will have to go there in June and try to sway the Superdelegates.
Love itq: why do anarchists only drink herbal tea?
a: [spoil]because proper tea is theft[/spoil]
alasdair
superelephant
Bluelighter
Please tell this lady that. Do it, she will call you stupid.
I had a choice with this, vast wall of text, or appeal to ridicule. I'm going with appeal to ridicule. Here is a dank meme. %)
NSFW:
[video]https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/1158931390805016/[/video] Holy fucking shit, she creeps me out man.
Shimmer.Fade
Bluelighter
The thing is, is that there is more than enough money in the system to be paying people a living wage. The 2 dollar living wage Sanders once fought for now equates to ~11 something per hour.
I see/read of tons of people being no more than indentured servants working two jobs at minimum wage. You can tell me these people should have known better, and I would tell you bullshit. Cheap, super easy credit was a new phenomenon of the early 80s. Then we had deregulation of the early 80s. People with their cheap credit were content and stupid, and didn't demand the wages increase as they normally had.
Their wages stagnated, they couldn't meet their credit payments, and were forced to refinance. Anytime you need to refinance you just lost fucking big time. People in the US (a false bastion of capitalism) seem to have forgotten what leverage means. It means I exert force knowing that the force I apply will pop what I want into place. The vast majority of Americans are lambs, not even sheep, and are now, rightfully, so scared of their overlords they can't even pop them into place.
The US is operating on a very broken system. Why did we have so much predatory lending leading to indentured servitude? Why should investment banking even exist on a large scale? We should ONLY have consumer banks and small, capped, and regulated investment banks giving US (true individuals) money when WE want to invest in something. I personally would invest in very few sectors right now knowing the games the bankers are playing. We have a system where the banks are giving themselves huge sums of money to invest in things, and they have totally destroyed the meaning of a dollar (we can also thank the Federal Reserve for this, which has committed treason more than once in the last two decades). Where is the money that WE need to start up things? We can get it, but at what conditions? Half the time the banks are structuring the loans as such that the growth/profit needed to keep up are more or less unattainable except with both hard work AND LUCK. This is fucking bullshit. A person should be able to work hard, keep a respectable mom and pop type business running, and not have to fear being driven into the ground. This doesn't work anymore due to the scale with which the players are operating. This scale should not be acceptable to the average person.
Basically, if you don't already have by this point you more than likely never will. Liberty, justice, equality, and freedom, but only for the wealthy.
Relevant article on PAYDAY LOANS:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-m-guttentag/payday-loans-the-worst-ab_b_9744896.html
Average Joe has been fucked so hard for so long that the lambs bend over and simply take it without questioning if it is even an acceptable way of being.
I see/read of tons of people being no more than indentured servants working two jobs at minimum wage. You can tell me these people should have known better, and I would tell you bullshit. Cheap, super easy credit was a new phenomenon of the early 80s. Then we had deregulation of the early 80s. People with their cheap credit were content and stupid, and didn't demand the wages increase as they normally had.
Their wages stagnated, they couldn't meet their credit payments, and were forced to refinance. Anytime you need to refinance you just lost fucking big time. People in the US (a false bastion of capitalism) seem to have forgotten what leverage means. It means I exert force knowing that the force I apply will pop what I want into place. The vast majority of Americans are lambs, not even sheep, and are now, rightfully, so scared of their overlords they can't even pop them into place.
The US is operating on a very broken system. Why did we have so much predatory lending leading to indentured servitude? Why should investment banking even exist on a large scale? We should ONLY have consumer banks and small, capped, and regulated investment banks giving US (true individuals) money when WE want to invest in something. I personally would invest in very few sectors right now knowing the games the bankers are playing. We have a system where the banks are giving themselves huge sums of money to invest in things, and they have totally destroyed the meaning of a dollar (we can also thank the Federal Reserve for this, which has committed treason more than once in the last two decades). Where is the money that WE need to start up things? We can get it, but at what conditions? Half the time the banks are structuring the loans as such that the growth/profit needed to keep up are more or less unattainable except with both hard work AND LUCK. This is fucking bullshit. A person should be able to work hard, keep a respectable mom and pop type business running, and not have to fear being driven into the ground. This doesn't work anymore due to the scale with which the players are operating. This scale should not be acceptable to the average person.
Basically, if you don't already have by this point you more than likely never will. Liberty, justice, equality, and freedom, but only for the wealthy.
Thank you for contributing absolutely nothing. I would gladly pay taxes knowing that that lady and her spawn are sitting at home out of my sight. Do you really think you can morally force these people to do things without providing a base for them to do things from within our current system of ethics and morals? These creatures were created by watered down, compromised welfare that is a product of a retarded two party political system. Welfare is wonderful, American welfare is dark, ironic comedy at its finest.
Relevant article on PAYDAY LOANS:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-m-guttentag/payday-loans-the-worst-ab_b_9744896.html
Average Joe has been fucked so hard for so long that the lambs bend over and simply take it without questioning if it is even an acceptable way of being.
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manboychef
Bluelighter
I am with you shimmer.fade. Legislation throughout the last century, and this one have created a system that the worker loses....constantly. There is not much social mobility, and wages have not kept up with the cost of living. The agreement you speak of is with life. Everyone needs to eat, have a place to sleep, and have clean potable water. This is the bare minimum of survival and working an entry level job will barely cover the most barebones lifestyle one can muster.
Bardeaux
Bluelight Crew
It depends where you work, though. In a career type situation, you certainly can play around with the numbers on your contract, or if you're a tradesman. As a basic crew member of a conglomerate corporation though, they have that shit set in stone. They have your raise timeline set. For my current job, I didn't know what they pay was until it was emailed to me along with the job description where I sign. Rather than a "desired wage" slot. Granted it is above minimum, but I had no say in the matter.
Still, an employer is never going to offer you the same amount of compensation that you produce for the employer, otherwise it wouldn't make economic sense. They will always take a certain amount of value you produced. So the argument that property is theft can be a valid argument, but so can taxes. In a democratic workplace however, you get a vote in how that extra surplus is used or distributed, making for a much fairer economic condition.
I'm also in school full time, attempting to realize this. I spent a year in the legislature. Still, I'm unqualified to answer phones for an insurance company.
Shimmer.Fade
Bluelighter
My opinion is that it isn't only about the bare bones, people tend to die quite early without a higher quality of life and without being able to be productive with the bare bones. Bare bones conditions are for when our backs are to the wall, and we push through towards a brighter future. As humans we need healthy, natural diets (not just some delicious fillers and chemicals), a SAFE place to sleep, potable water, and we need a SOCIETY we can be proud of being part of. We are social beings, and we have never been further apart from each other than we are now. This is everyone's fault. We need to start hugging, and stop giving the evil eye. We need to talk about how we are similar, and what we want from the future, and not how different we are, and because of this....ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. I'm getting really fed up with some of this deadly artificial bullshit.
We are humans. We can do so much if we would just stop believing we can't do any better. We can do so much better.
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