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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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^ i tend to agree.

the republicans are starting to publicly shit themselves now. there a lot more at stake here than just the oval office: "...but we also lose the Senate, competitive gubernatorial elections and moderate House Republicans." (source: republican campaign strategists strategists alex castellanos and gail gitcho).

Droppersneck said:
I guess my point is with trump there is no way to tell due to the unprecedented nature of his candidacy. I refuse to believe anything after believing everything I have read saying he had no chance of each milestone he has reached. Lol Obama- Romney I think mother jones could have polled that correctly ��
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the frequency with which you move the goalposts is impressive. we should call you sohiallthetimev2 :)

alasdair
 
I have to learn to avoid hearing Hilliary talk around meal times. Heard her giving a speech in Wisconsin talking about how if the Supreme Court doesn't overturn Citizens United she'd seek a constitutional amendment. She even threw climate change in there! What a fucking piece of work she is. No low she won't sink to.

Edit: Also shes refusing to debate Bernie again in NY unless he "changes his tone". Can you imagine the shitstorm he'd find himself in if he every said such a condescending thing to her? Ugh
 
Msnbc tomorrow:

7pm Kasich Town Hall - with ?
8pm Trump Town Hall - with Chris Matthews?
9pm Hillary one on one - with Maddow?
10pm Sanders one on one - with Lawerance?

I hope sanders really hits hillary on not wanting to debate before new york.
 
I think we are starting to see the narrative in the race really shift. Bernie is definitely going in a little harder, and he's got a lot of momentum behind him. He's getting more media attention, Clinton dodging debates is not making her look good. Bernie's got a pretty much endless source for funding while Clinton has to keep courting rich donors - a piece I watched this morning was talking about what a huge advantage this is to Bernie as most campaigns end up spending about half the time just fundraising. Bernie just sends out an email and we all throw in a few bucks. I think Bernie will at least be pretty competitive in NY and win CA. We could see a lot of wins though, it feels like the campaign's momentum is about to break through a crucial point. If he can win WI and NY it'll be pretty much over. As far as pledged delegates go anyway.
 
A win in WI would be huge because unlike the 3 states last Saturday, Clinton is expecting to win. If Bernie pulls out a victory it'll be like Michigan all over again and it will give him a ton of momentum heading into NY.

Just got my new Bernie shirt and box of buttons in the mail today. I plan to hang out in front of some gas stations and corner stores downtown in the "hood" over the next couple weeks handing out stuff and talking to people about him. If he beats Hillary in NY she's finished.
 
It is so incredibly inspiring to see that Bernie is still in the game and, in fact, has a lot going for him in terms of coming out the eventual winner. I have no doubt that if he wins the Democratic nomination, he will win in a landslide against any Republican candidate.
 
The motivation is probably born of his understanding of how important this election is and that we stand at a crossroads where if we go the wrong way, we'll forever be lost in a forsaken wasteland of greed and corruption.

This is bigger than Obama in '08 (which any intelligent person should have known from the start would be a corporatist thrall), bigger than Nader in 2000, and bigger than McGovern '72, but falls just short of Debs in the 5 elections he ran in.

This is big and he knows it. Stuff like this makes people live longer - when they have a cause to fight for, and the more righteous the cause the longer they last to see it through.

Mr. Sanders, if elected, would likely be a two-term president and would die shortly after his mission is accomplished.
 
GenericMind said:
So it begins. The first Superdelegate that was already pledged to Hillary has pulled his support.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1111579432196881&id=492109667477197
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I would really like to see a mass grass roots movement start that can force the superdelegates to withdraw support from the clinton. THe only way I see to do this is to threaten superdelegates with the Nuclear Option: vote for Bernie or all Bernie supporters will vote for Trump. He will destroy America, start WWIII and not even your ill-gotten fortune will save you from the mass mayhem that Trump will unleash on the world. Other than that, I don't know what else could carry enough weight to end her campaign unless she is arrested for any of the many crimes she is guilty of.
 
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Am I the only one starting to wonder if he's just doing all of this because he actually DOESN'T want to be president or could even be a pawn to benefit the democrat party? I don't even fucking know anymore. I'm pro-life but not because I want to "punish women", and I would hope that most pro-lifers are the same. We just want to preserve the fetus because we see it as a human life. While I would like to see abortion eventually disappear, my current stance is pretty much inline with what Ron Paul's stance was. That abortion should be on the state level, which brings us to this...

Apparently Trump doesn't even understand the difference between state and federal government...

Trump makes fools of RNC and supporters

By Jennifer Rubin March 30 at 11:30 AM

Despite his many ludicrous answers and obvious ignorance on display in CNN’s town hall Tuesday night, Donald Trump was not the Republican most deserving of ridicule last night. That honor goes to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.

Trump announced that the pledge to support the GOP nominee — which Priebus brought to him on bended knee and which induced him to avoid criticism of Trump’s egregious rhetoric and behavior — was null and void. He then whined, “I’ve been treated very unfairly. … I think by, basically, the RNC, the Republican Party, the establishment. You have a guy like Mitt Romney who lost miserably, who did a terrible job. He was a horrible, horrible campaign. The last month of that — I helped him. I raised him a million dollars.”

Priebus may have been the only person on the right who thought the pledge would hold. His cheerleading for party unity despite Trump’s racist and misogynistic language, the Trump campaign manager’s involvement in two physical altercations (one of which has resulted in a criminal charge) and Trump’s incitement of violence, besmirched the Republican Party’s reputation, convincing many Republicans that the party had lost its soul and principles. Priebus’s lack of spine — along with his foolishness in thinking a pledge would bind Trump — has fueled talk of the party’s demise.

Priebus is not the only one who has been duped, of course. Trump’s fleet of supporters and enablers — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), Jim DeMint, Newt Gingrich, etc. — are now forever linked with Trump and his bizarre, unschooled pronouncements. Last night provided new cringe-worthy moments.

With regard to campaign manager Corey Lewandowski’s alleged battery of reporter Michelle Fields, Trump refuses to recognize that a recently released videotape confirms Fields’s account and proves Lewandowski lied in denying that he touched her. In fact, Trump now imagines he is the victim: “She’s grabbing me. He walks in to stop it. She walked through Secret Service. She had a pen in her hand, which could have been a knife, it could have been just a pen, which is very dangerous. She should not have been doing that.” Voters can decide whether he is delusional or cowardly (afraid of a pen, really?), but there is no doubt about his continued defense of violence:

ANDERSON COOPER: But this is the second time Lewandowski has touched somebody. He did this to a protester, he grabbed a guy by the collar. Something which you actually backed him up on. And you said —

TRUMP: I back people up. And I back up (INAUDIBLE). Did you see what he did? Did you see what he did?

COOPER: I did. In fact, there’s the video right there.

Trump’s capacity for self-delusion and his childlike refusal to take responsibility was evident throughout the evening. There was this exchange:

COOPER: I want to bring into the audience just a moment. Just a last question before we do. I’ve got to ask you about this back and forth between you and Senator Cruz about wives. After saying that you were going to spill the beans about Heidi Cruz, you retweeted an unflattering picture of her next to a picture of your wife.

TRUMP: I thought it was a nice picture of Heidi. I thought it was fine.

COOPER: Come on.

TRUMP: I thought it was fine. She’s a pretty woman.

COOPER: You’re running for president of the United States.

TRUMP: Excuse me, I didn’t start it. I didn’t start it.

COOPER: But, sir, with all due respect, that’s the argument of 5- year-old.

TRUMP: No, it’s not.

COOPER: The argument of a 5-year-old is he started it.

TRUMP: You would say that. That’s the problem with our country.

COOPER: Every parent knows a kid who says he started it.

TRUMP: That’s not a 5-year-old.

Excuse. No, no, no. That’s the problem. Exactly that thinking is the problem this country has. I did not start this. He sent out a picture and he knew very well it was a picture…

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: He didn’t send out a picture. It was an anti-Trump super PAC sent out.

And so it goes with a man who cannot think of a single instance in which he has apologized. As disconcerting as his narcissistic personality may be, however, his policy “ideas” — which often appear to be spur-of-the-moment ramblings to disguise total ignorance — are even more frightening. He repeated his stances in favor of Japan and South Korea going nuclear and of diminishing our presence in NATO (which he falsely says does not deal with terrorism, apparently unaware of its participation in the Afghanistan war).

Sometimes his intellectual weakness takes a comical turn, as it did when he stumbled around, finally coming up with security, education and health care as the three top priorities of the U.S. government. Cooper had no trouble taking that answer apart:

COOPER: So in terms of federal government role, you’re saying security, but you also say health care and education should be provided by the federal government?

TRUMP: Well, those are two of the things. Yes, sure. I mean, there are obviously many things, housing, providing great neighborhoods…

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: Aren’t you against the federal government’s involvement in education? Don’t you want it to devolve to states?

TRUMP: I want it to go to state, yes. Absolutely. I want — right now…

COOPER: So that’s not part of what the federal government’s…

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: The federal government, but the concept of the country is the concept that we have to have education within the country, and we have to get rid of common core and it should be brought to the state level.

COOPER: And federal health care run by the federal government?

TRUMP: Health care — we need health care for our people. We need a good — Obamacare is a disaster. It’s proven to be…

COOPER: But is that something the federal government should be doing?

TRUMP: The government can lead it, but it should be privately done. It should be privately done. So that health care — in my opinion, we should probably have — we have to have private health care. We don’t have competition in health care. . . .

Hmm. It sounds like the federal government’s top priorities shouldn’t be education or health care. (Strange that Trump did not mention border security, monetary policy, trade or any other enumerated power in the Constitution, which, of course, would require one to read the Constitution.)

Trump’s self-contradictions, reversals, evasions and blatant lies on one level are funny:

COOPER: You always say you’re self-funding. How much do you think your campaign has cost — in the past you said $25 million.

TRUMP: I can tell you, I’d say I’m in right now for — now, I’m in for about $35 million right now.

COOPER: Okay.

TRUMP: We take the small loans, the people that send $17.50, or $250, even $1,000…

COOPER: And you solicit those on your website.

TRUMP: No, I sell hats and shirts and…

COOPER: No, but you do solicit donations on your website?

TRUMP: No, I don’t really think so.

COOPER: Yes, you do. You have two spots, where you do.

TRUMP: Okay, whatever. Whatever. It’s peanuts.

(He actually does solicit donations on his website.)

His double-talk reminds one of iconic Marx brothers routines, although in those the brothers were the clever ones. But this is a presidential candidate we are talking about. His temperamental and intellectual deficits, obvious to millions of Republicans, will drive voters to Hillary Clinton, if a third candidate is not on the ballot. It’s why poll numbers showing him losing badly to Clinton (sorry, Donald, you are not winning) are likely to worsen as the general electorate sees Trump struggle to answer even the most basic questions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...3/30/trump-makes-fools-of-rnc-and-supporters/
 
I definitely think this latest abortion comment is his way of trying to sabotage his own campaign. There have been a lot of articles about him not really even wanting to be President. I have a feeling we're going to see more and more completely ridiculous statements from him(even more ridiculous than his usual ones) until his popularity in the polls plummet.
 
Could be, although the question I think then would be why would he run in first place? I'm starting to think it's entirely possible that he's a pawn for the DNC.
 
A bit old but very relevant...

How Donald Trump helped Democrats pass Obamacare

By Marc A. Thiessen June 22, 2015

In the announcement speech for his presidential campaign, Donald Trump railed against Obamacare. “We have a disaster called the big lie: Obamacare,” Trump declared. “I would repeal and replace the big lie, Obamacare.”

Well, that sounds like something a Republican candidate would say. But there is one problem: Trump helped finance the Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006 — which put in place the liberal majority that passed Obamacare over the objections of congressional Republicans. And he continued to support a Democratic Senate majority after Obamacare.

As Trump knows, money talks — and Trump has given more than $100,000 to the Democratic House and Senate campaign committees. In 2006 — the year Democrats took back Congress — he gave $25,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (while his son Donald Trump Jr. gave $22,500). They gave Republican committees just $1,000 that year.

In other words, Trump wanted Nancy Pelosi to be speaker of the House and Harry Reid the Senate majority leader.

Which is not surprising. At the time he made those contributions, from August 2001 to September 2009, Trump was a registered Democrat. (He had been registered in New York first as a Republican, then a member of the Independence Party, then a Democrat, then a Republican again, and then became unaffiliated.)

So maybe he came to regret it after Reid and Pelosi rammed through Obamacare? Apparently not. In 2010 — immediately after the passage of Obamacare — Trump continued to donate to Reid. Trump has donated at least $10,400 to Reid, including $4,800 for his 2010 race against Sharron Angle — a victory that helped keep the Senate in Democratic hands and Reid as majority leader. So Trump continued to support Reid as majority leader in the election immediately after the passage of Obamacare.

In his home state of New York, Trump also donated disproportionately to Democrats. The Post reported in 2011 that “The biggest recipient of all has been the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee of New York, which has taken in more than $125,000 from Trump and his companies. Overall, Trump has given nearly $600,000 to New York state campaigns, with more than two-thirds going to Democrats.” He even boasted of it. “So, what am I going to do, contribute to Republicans?” he told Fox News’S Sean Hannity. “I mean, one thing I’m not stupid. Am I going to contribute to a Republican for my whole life when they get, they run against some Democrat. And the most they can get is one percent of the vote?”

Trump also gave $50,000 to another Obamacare architect, Rahm Emanuel — the former Obama White House chief of staff — for his campaign to become mayor of Chicago. He gave $5,500 to John Kerry and $7,000 to the late liberal icon of the Senate, Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.). Other Democrats who have benefited from Trump’s largesse include Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Rep. Charlie Rangel (N.Y.) and Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.). A major issue in the 2016 election will be allegations of corruption surrounding donations to the Clinton Foundation. But it will also be hard for Trump to make an issue of that since he gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

Yes, Trump has given to Republicans, too, especially since he started toying with the idea of running for the Republican nomination. But Trump expresses disdain for the GOP field. He told Bill O’Reilly last week, “Well , I don’t have a lot of respect for many of them.”

With all his past support for Democrats, Trump ought to be asked: Will he commit to supporting whoever is the eventual Republican nominee? After all, why should he be welcomed into the Republican fold if he is going to end up throwing his support to Clinton?

The fact is, Trump isn’t a Democrat or a Republican — he is an opportunist. He’s less a candidate than a brand. And running for president is great for the Trump brand, an opportunity for Donald Trump to take the national stage and tell us all how great he is. He pretty much admitted as much during his announcement speech, when he pointed out that some questioned whether he was really as successful as he claimed. “So I said to myself, you know, nobody’s ever going to know unless I run, because I’m really proud of my success,” Trump said. “I really am.”

You don’t say.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2f4c7c-18ea-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html
 
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