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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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that sounds like the opinion of a republican parrot rather than a unbiased, free-thinker.

of course, i doubt you'll listen to what i have to say or give it any credence but even a cursory examination of some facts (and i know how much you love facts) suggests that you're just plain wrong and parroting mainstream, right-wing fallacies.

from: Which Party Is Better for the Economy?i encourage you to read the whole article with an open mind, droppers. there are even some pretty pictures for you to look at.

from fortune magazine (hardly a bastion of left-leaning politics): (my emphasis)

alasdair
I will read this and get back to you. The part you quoted in intriguing. I was mainly stating Keynesian VS austrian
IE- He's about as tactful as a drunken frat boy. An excellent diplomat he'll make, I'm sure.



Are you serious? He's wealthier than all of the candidates combined and has been using this wealth as a political weapon for decades. He is the bought and paid for establishment embodied. Even if he weren't running, I couldn't think of a better example. George Soros, maybe? The Kochs?



Indeed. Not a public servant or commander in chief.



What is his stance on the second amendment?

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Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains.

Congressional Summary:AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To ensure that law abiding Amtrak passengers are allowed to securely transport firearms in their checked baggage.

Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership.

Amendment SA 2774 to H.R. 2764, the Department of State's International Aid bill: To prohibit the use of funds by international organizations, agencies, and entities (including the United Nations) that require the registration of, or taxes guns owned by citizens of the United States.

Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. A YES vote would:
Prohibit individuals from filing a qualified civil liability action
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Dismiss of all civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition

Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit liability lawsuits from being brought against gun manufacturers and dealers based on the criminal misuse of firearms. The bill would also block these actions from being brought up against gun trade organizations and against ammunition makers and sellers. The measure would apply immediately to any pending cases. Several specific exceptions to the ban exist. This includes civil suits would be allowed against a maker or dealer who "knowingly and willfully violated" state or federal laws in the selling or marketing of a weapon. Design and manufacturing defect lawsuits are also permitted when weapons are "used as intended.


He's a mixed bag. But is much less worried about gun control than his democrat colleagues.
Idgaf about his stance now as it will transform to his non Political one the minute he has power imo. . George Soros, The Kochs, etc arnt running for a reason. I believe Trumps conviction because of if for anything his heart on the sleeve foolish display. The fact that he isnt a polished politician is what people like. That being said it is very hard for me to listen to him being a somewhat educated person. In a nutshell he is addressing all of the things that are harming our nation, but its not necessarily politically correct, and is belligerently addressing them to the dismay of the establishment. It sucks that we cant have open borders and sing kumbaya together in the shared wealth, it sucks that we cant not have to address worlds issues with military presence, it sucks that politicians in our nation are bought and sold, it really sucks that most people do not realize that the war on drugs really fucked up Mexico and probably caused the mass influx of illegal alien immigrants we have now. I dont care about feelings or individuals; only facts and results to be brutally honest.
 
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Voted YES on banning high-capacity magazines of over 10 bullets.

Congressional Summary:
The term 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' means a magazine or similar device that has an overall capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition
It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Shall not apply to the possession of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed before 2013.
Shall not apply to qualified or retired law enforcement officers.
Proponent's Argument for voting Yes: Sen. BLUMENTHAL: This amendment would ban high-capacity magazines which are used to kill more people more quickly and, in fact, have been used in more than half the mass shootings since 1982. I ask my colleagues to listen to law enforcement, their police, prosecutors who are outgunned by criminals who use these high-capacity magazines. I ask that my colleagues also listen to the families of those killed by people who used a high-capacity magazine.
Opponent's Argument for voting No: Sen. GRASSLEY. I oppose the amendment. In 2004, which is the last time we had the large-capacity magazine ban, a Department of Justice study found no evidence banning such magazines has led to a reduction in gun violence. The study also concluded it is not clear how often the outcomes of the gun attack depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than 10 shots without reloading. Secondly, there is no evidence banning these magazines has reduced the deaths from gun crimes. In fact, when the previous ban was in effect, a higher percentage of gun crime victims were killed or wounded than before it was adopted. Additionally, tens of millions of these magazines have been lawfully owned in this country for decades. They are in common use, not unusually dangerous, and used by law-abiding citizens in self-defense, as in the case of law enforcement.
Reference: Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act; Bill S.Amdt. 714 to S. 649 ; vote number 13-SV103 on Apr 17, 2013
Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains.

Congressional Summary:AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To ensure that law abiding Amtrak passengers are allowed to securely transport firearms in their checked baggage.
On page 37, between lines 8 and 9, insert the following: "Allowing Amtrak Passengers to Securely Transport Firearms on Passenger Trains.--None of amounts made available in the reserve fund authorized under this section may be used to provide financial assistance for the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) unless Amtrak passengers are allowed to securely transport firearms in their checked baggage.
Proponent's argument to vote Yes:Sen. ROGER WICKER (R, MS). This amendment aims to ensure that gun owners and sportsmen are able to transport securely firearms aboard Amtrak trains in checked baggage, a practice that is done thousands of times a day at airports across the country. I emphasize that this amendment deals with checked, secured baggage only. It would return Amtrak to a pre-9/11 practice. It does not deal with carry-on baggage. Unlike the airline industry, Amtrak does not allow the transport of firearms in checked bags. This means that sportsmen who wish to use Amtrak trains for hunting trips cannot do so because they are not allowed to check safely a firearm.
Opponent's argument to vote No:Sen. FRANK LAUTENBERG (D, NJ): I object to this disruptive amendment offered by the Senator from Mississippi. He wants to enable the carrying of weapons, guns, in checked baggage. One doesn't have to be very much concerned about what we are doing when they look at the history of attacks on railroads in Spain and the UK and such places. This amendment has no place here interrupting the budgetary procedure. The pending amendment is not germane and, therefore, I raise a point of order that the amendment violates section 305(b)(2) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974.
Reference: Wicker Amendment; Bill S.Amdt.798 to S.Con.Res.13 ; vote number 2009-S145 on Apr 2, 2009
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership.

Amendment SA 2774 to H.R. 2764, the Department of State's International Aid bill: To prohibit the use of funds by international organizations, agencies, and entities (including the United Nations) that require the registration of, or taxes guns owned by citizens of the United States.
Proponents support voting YES because:
Sen. VITTER: This is a straight funding limitation amendment. Many folks who haven't followed the proceedings on this in the U.N. may ask: What is this all about? Unfortunately, it is about an effort in the United Nations to bring gun control to various countries through that international organization. Unfortunately, that has been an ongoing effort which poses a real threat, back to 1995. In 2001, the UN General Assembly adopted a program of action designed to infringe on second amendment rights. The Vitter amendment simply says we are not going to support any international organization that requires a registration of US citizens' guns or taxes US citizens' guns. If other folks in this Chamber think that is not happening, that it is never going to happen, my reply is simple and straightforward: Great, then this language has no effect. It is no harm to pass it as a failsafe. It has no impact. But, in fact, related efforts have been going on in the U.N. since at least 1995. I hope this can get very wide, bipartisan support, and I urge all my colleagues to support this very fundamental, straightforward amendment.
No opponents spoke against the bill.
Reference: Vitter Amendment to State Dept. Appropriations Bill; Bill S.Amdt. 2774 to H.R. 2764 ; vote number 2007-321 on Sep 6, 2007
Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. A YES vote would:
Prohibit individuals from filing a qualified civil liability action
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Dismiss of all civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-534 on Oct 20, 2005
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit liability lawsuits from being brought against gun manufacturers and dealers based on the criminal misuse of firearms. The bill would also block these actions from being brought up against gun trade organizations and against ammunition makers and sellers. The measure would apply immediately to any pending cases. Several specific exceptions to the ban exist. This includes civil suits would be allowed against a maker or dealer who "knowingly and willfully violated" state or federal laws in the selling or marketing of a weapon. Design and manufacturing defect lawsuits are also permitted when weapons are "used as intended.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill HR 1036 ; vote number 2003-124 on Apr 9, 2003
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1.

Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours].
Reference: Bill introduced by McCollum, R-FL; Bill HR 2122 ; vote number 1999-244 on Jun 18, 1999
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.

Sanders scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies
While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.
The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest).
Source: NRA website 02n-NRA on Dec 31, 2003

tbf I am right
 
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I was mainly stating Keynesian VS austrian

The Austrian "School" of economics is THE school of economic thought for Republican parrots. Most economists don't even take it seriously (its considered "heterodox" by all mainstream economists - not that I think that makes or breaks any economic theory, but it should be mentioned that they're the economic theory equivalent of the weirdo that has no friends).

Keynesianism is what got us out of the Great Depression and what helped build the American middle class afterwards, just so we're all clear here.
 
Vote to pass a bill requiring anyone who purchases a gun at a gun show to go through an instant background check which must be completed within 24 hours [instead of 72 hours].
Reference: Bill introduced by McCollum, R-FL; Bill HR 2122 ; vote number 1999-244 on Jun 18, 1999
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.
only the nra would grade a measure, which seeks to allow responsible citizens to obtain guns faster, as a 'f'.

alasdair
 
only the nra would grade a measure, which seeks to allow responsible citizens to obtain guns faster, as a 'f'.

alasdair

That was actually a very stupid bill for the simple fact that government bureaucracy is lucky to get it done 72 hours much less 24. The government is so inherently inefficient I would prefer it if the waiting period was three days. The NRA isnt there to be of sound judgement imo. They are stern with their judgments due to how easy it is to lose freedoms with the simple passing of bills/back door political deals.Are they looking out for their own interests? Yes, but that does not mean it doesnt coincidence with the good of the people. The guy is socialism light he would almost certainly executive order gun legislation after a mass shooting in a emotional response. No thanks.
 
tbf I am right

I said he was a mixed bag. Look at the ones I listed.

But are these sometimes-pro, sometimes-anti gun control nuances really the single most important litmus test for the presidency? Forget foreign policy (voted against the invasion of Iraq), economic policy (voted against the wall street bailouts), education and tax reform, forget domestic intelligence policy (voted against the Patriot Act)? Magazine capacity is far more important?

Is this thinking rationally, or is it an emotional response based on the fear of trivialities?
 
I said he was a mixed bag. Look at the ones I listed.

But are these sometimes-pro, sometimes-anti gun control nuances really the single most important litmus test for the presidency? Forget foreign policy (voted against the invasion of Iraq), economic policy (voted against the wall street bailouts), education and tax reform, forget domestic intelligence policy (voted against the Patriot Act)? Magazine capacity is far more important?

Is this thinking rationally, or is it an emotional response based on the fear of trivialities?

I agree.

Dropper: Anybody who is passionate about collecting firearms and worried about losing the 2nd amendment should go out now and buy all the high capacity mags, ammo, "assault" rifles, mods, etc they will need for the rest of their life. Then go and vote for what you think is the best candidate without worrying about the gun law litmus test.
 
I don't know what you mean. The second amendment has been interpreted in many ways that it confuses me. Do you believe it would be possible for a group of citizens armed only with civilian-grade small arms to drive out a tyrannical government back by a highly trained army equipped with the most advance weaponry in the world?
The second amendment is only there to protect against tyranny and therefore is a very important issue to those that are pragmatic IMO
 
You are assuming the military would completely back the government against the people. I would say that the AR15 is today's equivalent to the sword being the very basic tool to use in case a fight was nessisary. The theoreticals of whether or not it would be possible do not factor into the constitutional right.
 
The second amendment is only there to protect against tyranny and therefore is a very important issue to those that are pragmatic IMO

I would say that the AR15 is today's equivalent to the sword being the very basic tool to use in case a fight was nessisary. The theoreticals of whether or not it would be possible do not factor into the constitutional right.

yes, this all sounds very pragmatic. Every word.

That other wishy-washy foreign and domestic policy stuff is just idealistic and not based in reality TBCF
 
It's sad that gun rights are the deciding factor for so many people when voting. Why can't that be separated from the other issues when voting? What if everyone ignore that one issue, who would win - not just for president but for congress too? To balance things, join the NRA, donate to your favorite gun lobby, and encourage your family and friends (the responsible ones) to buy AR15s, high capacity magazines, and full-auto conversion kits while voting for a socialist or democrat.
You are assuming the military would completely back the government against the people. I would say that the AR15 is today's equivalent to the sword being the very basic tool to use in case a fight was nessisary. The theoreticals of whether or not it would be possible do not factor into the constitutional right.
 
Someone should run on the platform of not taking a stance on these issues. The federal government should be focused on things like intestate commerce, health care, education, and foreign relations. Instead of trying to appeal to the most popular opinions on hedge issues such as these (a la Hillary), refusing to take a stance on these issues on the basis that they should be handled at the state level while laying out a clear plan for the things that can be best handled on the federal level would be refreshing.
 
Dems are fucked in 2016...pretty much.

No way, man. I'm not a professional political commentator but I'm almost 100% convinced that it is, in fact, the Republicans who stand absolutely no chance in this election. In fact, I will eat my left hand if our next POTUS has an "R" next to his name. They simply stand no chance whatsoever from what I see.
 
Republican field is pretty wide right now, and it are the crazies that get the attention now.

Wait until they decide on a candidate. Then we'll see how strong they are.

Ditto the Dems. Hillary is the winner everyone assumes, but if Sanders wins the nomination, that will affect the Dem's chance of holding onto the presidency.

I'm still maintaining my position that the Republicans actually gaining control of congress and the presidency would be a bad thing for their future chances. Democrats have captured the center, Republicans are now the far right party, and extreme politics may sound good on the campaign trail, but sucks in practice.
 
I'd agree with that eshers. I remember when the democrats had all that power in 2009. It was a bad scene and lots of foolish things got passed in that time. Gridlock is democracy these days. I feel like if we had all republican running things we might see the super war on drugs ver... 2.0
 
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