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May he have sacrificed some of his principles in the process?

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So often, I find people with a lack of a real comeback in an argument, that they look past what might be seen, and don't take a chance to build. Instead they just want to tear people down. It is obvious that this is what Droppers meant. Some people seem to confuse, perhaps their attention just dips out on this word, of with have in this way of speaking... Why is Droppers so attacked for such a thing when right and left we have people (on the left often- they're on your side!) who don't even use the proper 'than' instead of then? Quit trying to hang things on "lack of education" (or quality of it) and walk away, as if that somehow lets you claim victory.

Need I remind you of this very educated girl? Harvard Law Student, also a "realist" when it comes to 'race'.
Meet Stephanie Grace, the Harvard Law Student Who Started a Racist Email War
http://gawker.com/5527355/meet-step...rd-law-student-who-started-a-racist-email-war

"go read a textbook".
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Yep the typical person of the left persuasion does this when you win a discussion with logic. I always post from my little ass iphone4 so igaf there is gonna be some mistakes. Lol
 
When have you ever "won" an argument using logic? Never in all of history, and certainly not once in this thread. Did you think you "won" using logic when you claimed that Fox 11 is "liberal media"?
 
Space junk did you know that in Aussie you cannot possess a pocket knife that opens and locks into position?

It is interesting to see what some of the leaders of these euro countries will do as concerned to these refugees. It makes me chuckle how many of these quasi socialist states that were able to become what they are only under the wing of our protection not wanting anything to do with the refugees and migrants. My how quickly people forget about the displacements that came about in ww2
 
Aussie is a person from australia.
I have knives that lock into position; what does this have to do with the US presidential elections?

Besides reveling in your own ignorance?
 
I have a stiletto with a fixed blade that i bought legally in australia, but i don't know what relevance that has to the discussion at hand.
Also, we don't have a Democratic Party.

Try again, sunshine.
 
Bardeaux said:
Indeed, but I'm not so sure (Ron) Paul supported the protectionist ideals that they're looking for exactly
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Laissez-faire doesn't support financial elite it supports everyone. If you read the libertarian manifesto it would do away with the prohibitive costs of licensing to become a barber, taxi driver, ect and make it more reasonable. Why a taxi medallion in NYC is so expensive stifles free market competition and hurts consumers who are forced to pay premiums and keeps new market entrants from competing and driving prices down. Doing away with needless regulations also helps small businesses, corporations have hundreds of legal personell to help them comply with regulations and laws some of which are thousamds of pages like Obamacare. Regulations like these actually keep new market entrants out. Im not for the extreme of no regulations but just less and more sensible ones.

I just finished reading Ben Carsons book and he had excellent ideas on driving health care costs down. The AMA has made it prohibitively hard to become a doctor, obviously we want well-qualified health care professionals but we should be able to teach someone to for instance set a broken bone without 8 years of medical school/residencies, ect. Neurosurgeons like himself probably do need that level of training if not more. Also much of our medical costs are due to fradulent malpractice claims, if we tweak our legal system to where if you file a malpractice lawsuit and lose you pay for the parties your suing legal fees then I think we will find ourselves less sue-happy.

Just some good ideas I've seen thrown out there. Tbh, I'm very sick of the two party dichotomy altogether.
 
Malpractice claims are a relatively small percentage of healthcare costs, even if you factor in so called defensive medicine trying to prevent being sued. Even in states that have enacted laws trying to limit malpractice lawsuits, it has not been shown to show much if any decrease in overall cost.
 
Kittycat5 said:
Malpractice claims are a relatively small percentage of healthcare costs, even if you factor in so called defensive medicine trying to prevent being sued. Even in states that have enacted laws trying to limit malpractice lawsuits, it has not been shown to show much if any decrease in overall cost.
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I find that hard to believe, litigation in the United States is very costly. Malpractice claims might be a small percentage of health care costs but "health care costs" are so astronomical even a small reduction is immensely beneficial.

Curtailing immigration from people who have no means of paying for their health care would also be beneficial. Frankly, Americans who've paid taxes all their lives , Americans who've fought for our country valiantly in war could end up getting less care or paying more to offset costs accumulated from a single mother of 4:kids from South America who doesn't have insurance. If your middle-class you could have your life savings completely gone if you develop cancer, we can all agree that is not right. If we avoid paying a gender reassignment surgery for just came to this country a year ago and hasn't worked a day in their lives or bar those with chronic diseases and no income/money saved from entering we can make sure middle-class and lower-class Americans get the care they need and aren't bankrupted as result.
 
Kittycat5 said:
Malpractice claims are a relatively small percentage of healthcare costs...
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RedWhiteNTrue said:
I find that hard to believe...
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here are 3 sources for you:

2003 - 1.0% of total healthcare spending (source)
2008 - 2.4% of total healthcare spending (source)
2013 - 0.3% of total healthcare spending (source)

the second source has been quoted often and has become conventional wisdom as far as my google search tells me.

so costs do appear to be a relatively small percentage of costs.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
here are 3 sources for you:

2003 - 1.0% of total healthcare spending (source)
2008 - 2.4% of total healthcare spending (source)
2013 - 0.3% of total healthcare spending (source)

the second source has been quoted often and has become conventional wisdom as far as my google search tells me.

so costs do appear to be a relatively small percentage of costs.

alasdair
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We spend $3.8 trillion on health care last year. Those might seem like small percentages but it's ALOT of money.
 
nobody is denying that!

but kittycat's statement was "Malpractice claims are a relatively small percentage of healthcare costs". you said "I find that hard to believe..."

examination of the facts suggests that kittycat's statement is true.

sometimes it's like you don't know what words mean...

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alasdair
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Laissez-faire doesn't support financial elite it supports everyone. If you read the libertarian manifesto it would do away with the prohibitive costs of licensing to become a barber, taxi driver, ect and make it more reasonable. Why a taxi medallion in NYC is so expensive stifles free market competition and hurts consumers who are forced to pay premiums and keeps new market entrants from competing and driving prices down. Doing away with needless regulations also helps small businesses, corporations have hundreds of legal personell to help them comply with regulations and laws some of which are thousamds of pages like Obamacare. Regulations like these actually keep new market entrants out. Im not for the extreme of no regulations but just less and more sensible ones.

I just finished reading Ben Carsons book and he had excellent ideas on driving health care costs down. The AMA has made it prohibitively hard to become a doctor, obviously we want well-qualified health care professionals but we should be able to teach someone to for instance set a broken bone without 8 years of medical school/residencies, ect. Neurosurgeons like himself probably do need that level of training if not more. Also much of our medical costs are due to fradulent malpractice claims, if we tweak our legal system to where if you file a malpractice lawsuit and lose you pay for the parties your suing legal fees then I think we will find ourselves less sue-happy.

Just some good ideas I've seen thrown out there. Tbh, I'm very sick of the two party dichotomy altogether.
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Right, but without regulation on capital accumulation, trade tactics, etc the player with the biggest stick is going to hold the largest portion of the economy, and thus possess the highest influence over governance. Most start ups won't stand a chance against the already well established economic monoliths who are holding the reigns.Monopolies arise, markets are cornered, and unelected cartel leaders thwart any effort of responsible governing. Is it possible that these giants can eventually be tested or even brought down by bigger, better ideas? Sure. But then the cycle will just repeat itself.

Anyway, i was talking to the other poster more along the lines of a laissez fair politician winning a nomination in the heavily protectionist republican party (which everyone knows is owned by the financial sector, as are the dems. Finance is the vanguard of American politics) It was a farce.
 
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