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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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people are actually still starting sentences with "if bernie wins....?"

no, but that aside, I totally agree that we are very likely to witness if not in this election cycle well within our lifetimes the realignment of a new party system across which lines it will be hard to say. as has been pointed out in many different ways by many authors both public and academic our country is more or like 3-5 different regional cultures or even one might say "countries" unto themselves, melded together; we might see realignment along those lines, or we might see the reemergence of class as a genuine issue not just throwaway lines about restoring/protecting the middle class. bernie and even trump, although in vastly different ways. "income inequality" is just the start. things will be, if nothing else, fascinating to watch.
 
noone1 said:
I just heard Gary Johnson on the Joe Rogan program and he had some pretty interesting ideas. I feel like I could vote for him like a lot of republicans vote for Bernie. I think he's incompetent on a lot of topics like private prisons and health care but I like a lot of his ideas and policies.
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I didn't vote for him in the primaries because he's not for decriminalizing all drugs. Essential party platform which I expect any candidate to advocate for.

Johnson has so much more funding he'll probably win a nomination.
 
I'd like nothing more than to see a contested convention, and I do know how one works, and a Sanders nomination, and even without a Sanders nomination, I think it would do your party good, but I don't see either happening although we are constantly bombarded with theories about how the math could work. I don't expect the math to work, and if it does for a contested convention, the "super-delegates," who literally are the Establishment wing of the party, are pretty much designed to prevent the rise of any insurgent candidate outside the Establishment. I just pray that the man runs as a 3rd party candidate after the dust settles.
 
Clinton is done IMO. The state department report on her emails is the final nail in the coffin and its not even June yet. I am in favor of putting Joe Biden on the ticket with Sanders as his vice president. Present them as a sane alternative to Trump and hope for the best. I am pretty sure Trump is going to run out of luck and say something so controversial that it actually hurts his campaign. The thing is Hillary is so polarizing that it doesn't matter what he does if she is the alternative. The democratic party needs to wakeup and kick her ass to the curb. Of course the wont happen with Debbie wesserman Schultz heading up the party. She was Clintons campaign chairman in 2008. The party has basically been setup for a Clinton run since Obama won reelection 4 years ago. They should have saved everyone time and just cancelled the whole primary process TBH.


Our country is so fucked.
 
I think the bern has pissed off the DNC enough that they will nominate hillary no matter what. indictment might change things or third party is the only way I see it happening.

its been fun watching both parties lose it this election but also been very sad.
 
cj said:
Clinton is done IMO. The state department report on her emails is the final nail in the coffin and its not even June yet. I am in favor of putting Joe Biden on the ticket with Sanders as his vice president. Present them as a sane alternative to Trump and hope for the best. I am pretty sure Trump is going to run out of luck and say something so controversial that it actually hurts his campaign. The thing is Hillary is so polarizing that it doesn't matter what he does if she is the alternative. The democratic party needs to wakeup and kick her ass to the curb. Of course the wont happen with Debbie wesserman Schultz heading up the party. She was Clintons campaign chairman in 2008. The party has basically been setup for a Clinton run since Obama won reelection 4 years ago. They should have saved everyone time and just cancelled the whole primary process TBH.


Our country is so fucked.
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The math says that a contested convention is an almost certainty. Neither candidate will have the required amount of delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention. Hence, a contested convention.
 
Hence, due to structural factors built in for exactly this purpose, the Establishment candidate wins.
 
I'd encourage anyone who isn't supporting Trump or Hillary, should they be the R & D nominees (looks like it right now, of course) to help the libertarian party get >15% and elevate their relevance in future elections (campaign funds, invitations to national debates, etc) by supporting McAfee (who is doing the most to help down-ticket candidates and bring revolution to the 2-party hegemony) or simply voting for whoever ends up being the libertarian nominee. Whatever the case, and especially if you are just staying home and not voting, please consider this.
 
Bagseed said:
when even a conservative like SKL is somewhat for Bernie Sanders, you can see that this man has a voice of reason.
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he has a voice of horseshoe-theory and I can't stand any sitting president since Eisenhower so give literally anything a go; if anything he is better than Hilary on guns and less shrill on the identity politics so if I voted, and if I had a vote in the Democrat process he'd have mine.

Trump-Sanders though tbh.

Just A Guy said:
McAfee
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Dude is one of us. That's enough. Fuck the Libertarians in general though. Half of the people on this board claiming to be Libertarians (not saying you) are in it only for legal pot/drugs. So too college Libertarians except the ones that read too much Rothbard, etc. The ones that read too much Konkin end up Ross Ulbricht.
 
Horseshoe theory means go far enough to the right, and far enough to the left, and you find more points of agreement than you might expect.

I would vote for anyone breathing who has a better chance of nominating people to the Supreme Court who are pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, hardline on the National Question, and who will stem the tide of sexual identity politics and similar nonsense. (Except for the part where I don't vote.)
 
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