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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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I'm assuming he should apologize for the KKK, every single school shooting, and any other bad things white peope have done in the past?

What is this apology supposed to do? Is it just going to magically make everything ok again and completly eliminate racism?
 
So you don't agree with the idea that we can collectively express guilt, sorrow, regret for wrongs committed in our collective past?
Wrongs that built the foundations for the current nation?
That's fine - but there are many schools of thought that see such gestures as positive ways to acknowledge and move on from dark historical events.

But again, your comparisons are ridiculous.
Either the United States was built on slavery - and presidential candidates can talk about it - or we're all just individuals with no shared identity, history or past that unites us.
 
Wouldn't it be more like, the President formally apologizing for past actions of the federal government...not so much a white man apologizing for the white race?
 
I don't think it's an apology from whites to blacks, more of an apology from the United States government for legalizing the practice of slavery.
 
Which "public" are we talking about?
The reactionary sections of the public that get outraged over pointless talking points like this?
It doesn't matter what those people think - because they will always find something stupid to be outraged about.
 
ArCi said:
You mean the past actions of the Federal Government that was made up of 100% white people?

How do you think the public would have responded if Obama was the president that apologized for slavery?

Be honest.. lol
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It would be the leader of the united states apologizing for actions taken by the government of the united states. I think it would have been fine if Obama had done it. Yeah, the optics would have been different, but it would still have been the president taking ownership on behalf of the entire government for one of the biggest atrocities in human history.
 
ArCi said:
You mean the past actions of the Federal Government that was made up of 100% white people?

How do you think the public would have responded if Obama was the president that apologized for slavery?

Be honest.. lol
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Honestly? I don't think it would have been a big deal to most people.
 
Slavery is in the deep past (looking past the private prison industry...for now...), but the consequences of slavery are still alive today. As are the consequences of Jim Crow Laws. So I think the "apology" that some folks desire is more like an apology for the fact that many people, inside and outside of government, don't want to acknowledge or are ignorant to the reality that even though slavery and Jim Crow are legally dead and gone, tangible racial divides are still observable and mixed sentiment lives on. And maybe "apology" isn't even the correct word, but instead we should say that some Americans would like their politicians to display sympathy/empathy toward oppressed communities if only for the fact that so many other Americans don't display sympathy/empathy toward such communities. Really, it's just another attempt to raise awareness of all residual racial issues taken together. I don't think people are actually demanding a literal apology as if the deliverer of it has the blood of the original wrongdoings on his hands. If this makes sense...
 
Guardian UK continues it's "shill for Hill"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...caucus-results-sanders-wins-clinton-delegates

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Bernie Sanders takes Wyoming caucus but Hillary Clinton picks up delegates
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First 4 paragraphs

Bernie Sanders won the smallest state in the Democratic nomination race by a smaller-than-expected margin on Saturday, as he celebrated a seven-election winning streak that has more psychological than mathematical impact.


The Vermont senator finished 12 points ahead of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton with 56%-44% of the vote in Wyoming, after a caucus that underlined his continued challenge to her among white voters drawn to his more radical economic platform.

The eventual margin of victory was slimmer than some pundits had anticipated and fell short of his recent 58.9%-to-40.4% win in neighbouring Colorado.

Nonetheless, it represented a convincing victory for a 74-year-old democratic socialist in one of the most conservative states the country.
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Smaller, small, smallest....we're not beyond unnecessary racial psephology either....slim, short, blah, blah...oh yeah but he did win (begrudgingly).

Wankers indeed.
 
funnily enough, ever since sander's winning streak started, media here seems to have completely stopped reporting about it. and before that it was also more or less "hillary is bound to win"...
 
Bush did no more damage than Obama did IMO Bush was the pinnacle of the neo con era. I think now we have some sort of revolt that will have unclear results. Hopefully trump wins and becomes the first ever person to become president that isn't a part of the established ruling class. As a sort of fuck you to the establishment class by the American people. Sanders is still a lifelong public sector politician at the end of the day. And even Hilary says the bulk of his crack pot ideas could never come to fruition without massive forfeiture of assetts in the private sector.
 
Come in to work, Boston Globe on the table, front cover full of blatantly fake Trump stories
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...-deals-and-immigration-laws-will-be-enforced/

Initially I was pissed raised my voice and spoke profanely and got to work.

As I think about how much this helps Trump I think it might be owner John Henry's roundabout way of endorsing him.

People are in a trance with entertainment and media on tap 24/7 as well as institutionalized brainwashing known as education. (I'm in Massachusetts the belly of the beast maybe other states serve less ideology in the school system. In elementary school Columbus was a hero, high school evil. I'm going of on a tangent here, but I'm glad colombos was around. You have a primitive culture on a giant resource wealthy land mass who can't put up a fight they'll be out eventually. I know you liberals love evolution, so do I and it will always be survival of the fit.)

Anyways, something surreal like a supposedly credible newspaper putting this shit on the cover is like a glitch in the matrix. I guarantee some people get woke over this and start to question authority.

Thank you Globe for a collosal blunder, or Trump endorsement in disguise.
 
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Droppersneck said:
Bush did no more damage than Obama did IMO
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What? Aside from drone strikes and special ops, how many countries has the US unpopularly invaded and occupied under the current president? Obviously everything can't be pinned on the president, but lets be real. Nearly 11% official unemployment was minimized to less than 5% in the last six years, due to a financial collapse that happened under Bush's watch. Even though there's very little difference between the two, atleast Obama can string a damn sentence together and doesn't reinforce the "stupid American" stereotype that the cowboy from Tixiss upheld.

Hopefully trump wins and becomes the first ever person to become president that isn't a part of the established ruling class.
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This truly is either delusional or satire. The multi-millionaire who has been playing with money in politics for decades is not a part of the ruling class? You do understand how class works, si? In fact, even if Trump had nothing at all to do with the election and you were to ask me "name someone who is very influential within the ruling class", Trump would be one of the first people to come to mind. The Democrats might as well be running George Soros.

I mean, go to a Trump rally, get on the mic and tell him he isn't part of the ruling class. He'll laugh in your face himself.

Sanders is still a lifelong public sector politician at the end of the day.
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Ie - his job is to govern, no? There's nothing wrong with professionalism in politics in this little system we currently abide by if we're not talking about corrupted politicians. If you were hiring a mechanic to fix your car, would you hire a mechanic with 40 years of experience, or his boss who inherited the company and knows diddly about mechanics?
 
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