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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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The Washington Post was outed for their bias against Bernie in early March. Fuck that rag of a newspaper. I'm sure it has nothing to do with it recently being purchased by the CEO of Amazon. It's not like Hillary Clinton awarded him a $16 million contract when she was Secretary of State to make the Amazon Kindle the official tablet of the State Department over the superior iPad and Microsoft Surface in a decision that left everyone scratching their heads.

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So, why can't we count money given by lobbyists who work for fossil fuel companies as money from fossil fuel companies again? Also why should we care if the Washington Post is shielding Hillary when every other corporate media outlet in the country is doing the same thing?
 
Why couldn't rand Paul just of not been such a stiff. A rand vs Bernie would of been awesome. An absolute choice to have socialism or free market capitalism dominate the top office. I'm in a socialist country right now and here in Calgary it's pretty nice until I go talk to the people trying to make a living.
 
No I'm not saying Bernie's Campaign's statements are false. I'm saying the Washington Post is a shill rag for Hillary Clinton. And like mal3volent said, we SHOULD count money from lobbyists that work with fossil fuel companies as money from fossil fuel companies. I mean lobbyists are how these corporations donate to candidates. Thay and Super PACS.

I guess the main point is that when the media has to start arguing over whether Clinton's money came from fossil fuel interests or if they should be categorized as money from different special interests because those lobbyists work for other special interest groups too, we can all draw one conclusion: she's a corporate money whore regardless and the vast majority of her money comes from corporations through one avenue or another.
 
GenericMind said:
No I'm not saying Bernie's Campaign's statements are false. I'm saying the Washington Post is a shill rag for Hillary Clinton. And like mal3volent said, we SHOULD count money from lobbyists that work with fossil fuel companies as money from fossil fuel companies. I mean lobbyists are how these corporations donate to candidates. Thay and Super PACS.

I guess the main point is that when the media has to start arguing over whether Clinton's money came from fossil fuel interests or if they should be categorized as money from different special interests because those lobbyists work for other special interest groups too, we can all draw one conclusion: she's a corporate money whore regardless and the vast majority of her money comes from corporations through one avenue or another.
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My thoughts exactly. It is like pointing out the minute differences in the tastes of different oranges on the tree, and then making orange juice out of it, homogenizing it, and then trying to point out the differences in flavor in each individual sip.
 
The latest ridiculousness from the Democratic Party and Hillary: Anyone here who has watched any of the Dem debates knows Hillary has been against a $15 minimum wage. She's said as recently as the last debate she only supports a $12 minimum wage. She's said it so often that it's absolutely indisputable that's what she supports. Meanwhile, Bernie joined several marches and picket lines with fast food workers in Cali last year to fight for $15. He was there, in the ground.

The Governor of NY(who is a Superdelegate pledged to Clinton) is signing a $15 minimum wage bill in NYC this week. Guess who he invited as an honorary signee for the event? $hillary fucking Clinton. GAG
 
^ yep. lame.
manboychef said:
My thoughts exactly. It is like pointing out the minute differences in the tastes of different oranges on the tree, and then making orange juice out of it, homogenizing it, and then trying to point out the differences in flavor in each individual sip.
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not really. i think you are exaggerating.

the claim was "The fact of the matter is Secretary Clinton has taken significant money from the fossil fuel industry." (my emphasis).

bernie sanders has taken $54,000 in contributions from individuals in the oil and gas industry - is that an insignificant amount?

i agree there's a lot to dislike about clinton and the campaign but criticising hilary for something bernie is also doing, is a little disingenuous of the bernie campaign. he's better than that.

alasdair
 
You guys don't actually think raising the minimum wage to $15/hr would be a good idea.. right?

Prices for everything will just go up, many jobs will be cut, and it's just going make automation much more cost effective for companies which will speed up the entire process.... The sad thing is I don't think most minimum wage workers realize that their wage may go up, but they might also lose their job. What happens to the welder that makes $15-18/hr... and now all of the sudden 16 yr old kids in highschool working at McDonald's are getting paid $15/hr?

and of course Fight For $15 will eventually be Fight For $20 etc.
 
ArCi said:
You guys don't actually think raising the minimum wage to $15/hr would be a good idea.. right?

Prices for everything will just go up, many jobs will be cut, and it's just going make automation much more cost effective for companies which will speed up the entire process.... The sad thing is I don't think most minimum wage workers realize that their wage may go up, but they might also lose their job. What happens to the welder that makes $15-18/hr... and now all of the sudden 16 yr old kids in highschool working at McDonald's are getting paid $15/hr?

and of course Fight For $15 will eventually be Fight For $20 etc.
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I've heard this argument so many times over the past year I honestly don't feel like arguing against it for the billionth time, so here's some bullet points. Feel free to agree or disagree with them.

-Automation in the workplace is a GOOD thing. It forces unskilled workers to learn more skills. Nobody cried when computers replaced switchboard operators or when machines replaced the men standing on an assembly line putting together Model-Ts.

-Obviously if minimum wage goes up to $15 an hour occupations like being a welder will go up. Someone working at McDonalds isn't going to be making the same as an EMT or Welder.

-The argument that prices of everything are going to get out of control is flawed. More people having more money to spend = more people spending money = more business being done. Who cares if a small business owner has to pay his employees $15 an hour when they're doing double the business they used to do?
 
ArCi said:
You guys don't actually think raising the minimum wage to $15/hr would be a good idea.. right?
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mhm

Prices for everything will just go up
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Source?

Are you familiar with a man named Henry Ford and his $5 per day plan, which pretty much doubled the standard wage? Why'd he do such a thing? His workers were actually able to purchase the cars they were building. I have both personal and theoretical evidence to continue if you'd like to provide an economical explanation for this claim. Higher production costs don't necessarily mean higher retail costs if the customer base offsets any losses caused by a more costly workforce.

many jobs will be cut
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Maybe initially, as investors and managers look at the short term. Once they start looking at the long term possibility and the money to be made from a much wider customer base, job growth will rise.

and it's just going make automation much more cost effective for companies which will speed up the entire process....
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This is going to happen either way. If they could automate their workforce today, they would do it. Even if there were no minimum wage.

What happens to the welder that makes $15-18/hr... and now all of the sudden 16 yr old kids working at McDonald's are getting paid $15/hr?
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Well that specialized labor is a bit more valuable now, isn't it? Upward pressure from the labor market will drive more specialized labor prices up. Otherwise, why would they bust their ass welding all day when they can sell shoes at footlocker instead?
 
it also wouldn't be such a big problem if useless ceos who steer their companies to multi-million dollar loses were not compensated as if their companies were doing incredibly well: $51B vanishes: 11 CEOs still get raises

how is that in any way defensible - noble's stock price plummeted 55.8% and the ceo's compensation increased 19.4% to $14.1M?

my guess is that a hamburger flipper - who's excited about the prospect of a $15ph wage - could have helmed that company last year and have done just as poorly...

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
how is that in any way defensible
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It's not. At all.

Also, there's an advantage to better paid workers. McDonalds released a statement maybe.... a month ago? Stating that employees were happier, service was better, and business was up in their locations where they raised the wage to $15 recently.
 
Bardeaux said:
Well that specialized labor is a bit more valuable now, isn't it? Upward pressure from the labor market will drive more specialized labor prices up. Otherwise, why would they bust their ass welding all day when they can sell shoes at footlocker instead?
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Bardeaux said:
and their big macs now cost $20 right?
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GenericMind said:
Shockingly they're the same price!
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As someone who has worked as a welder, framer, roofer, etc (in various specialized labor capacities) I can't see that such professions will see much of a wage increase without the expense of their products going up, because, for better or worse, the top dogs will not compromise their profits for wage increases. There is too much of a surplus in unemployment and undocumented laborers to force such change. I'm not an expert, and obviously the market will decide, but I'm already in a situation where I can't afford auto maintenance & repairs unless I make them myself, and shudder at the thought of such expenses increasing.
 
Alright Clinton is officially fucked. I can say with 100% certainty she will not be President.

As people have been pouring over the massive 2.6 terabytes of data that was leaked in the "Panama Papers" the other day they're starting to find info on Hillary, her foundation, and her donors. Internal emails and memos from her State Department are now being linked to supporting illegal Panamanian tax havens and at least 4 names tied to her have already been found in this leak.

As people comb through the millions of documents and start to piece everything together, her political career will probably be over imo. This leak was bigger than Edward Snowden's.
 
Every day that passes is just another step closer to the inexorable victory of the People against the Money Power.

Let's see how the next set of primaries go. If he can take both Cali and NY I'd say its safe to call it "good game" and send Mrs. Clinton home.
 
GenericMind said:
Alright Clinton is officially fucked. I can say with 100% certainty she will not be President.

As people have been pouring over the massive 2.6 terabytes of data that was leaked in the "Panama Papers" the other day they're starting to find info on Hillary, her foundation, and her donors. Internal emails and memos from her State Department are now being linked to supporting illegal Panamanian tax havens and at least 4 names tied to her have already been found in this leak.

As people comb through the millions of documents and start to piece everything together, her political career will probably be over imo. This leak was bigger than Edward Snowden's.
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So why hasnt this broken through to the MSM yet?
 
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