Phil.McKeer
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This whole violence at Trump events reminds me of Sturmabteilung (brownshirts/SA) assaulting socialists and communists in 1930s Germany as the NSDAP (Nazis) were consolidating their power.
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treezy z
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The Nazis were leftists
bluelight is a private forum but you somehow feel you're entitled to express an opinion here and insult, abuse and belittle people with whom you disagree.
you have no problem with trump ejecting people he doesn't like from his events, right? so, in the interests of simple, logical consistency, you can't possibly complain if i just hit arbitrarily hit the ban button and ban you because i don't like you at my 'event', right? unlike trump, however, i will not encourage people here who agree with me to physically assault you with the promise that i'll pick up the tab for their legal defense. although, you obviously, wouldn't have a problem with that either.
i mean, it's simple logical consistency and you are always harping on about the importance of logic...
alasdair
manboychef
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Did you read the comments? I bet the people making comments about how the media is owned and that saying "f you" is fighting words and not protected under the first amendment are also those worried about the second amendment being altered.
These people are pretty strong arguments against trumps and his would be constituents.
If you are an american and not terrified of Trump winning the election you may not have been paying close enough attention. I truly am afraid that we have such a conservative congress as well as conservative supreme court. I feel as a lower middle class citizen my rights will be trampled unless a Bernie Sanders wins the nominations then becomes the president elect. I have been watching hillary clinton for years and frankly she terrifies me. I can see another presidency like Obama's (having your hands tied by a do nothing conservative congress) but instead of actively trying to make things better, Hillary will be in cahoots Mitchell and his conservative congress. Terrifying times indeed.
This reminds me of lord of the rings and Hillary is Boromir.
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I didn't read the comments - to be honest i only gave the article itself a cursory glance to confirm that it was reporting on the incident i was referring to.
Usually i avoid news site comments anyway - but when it comes to matters like these, i don't really want to know what Joe Sixpack thinks - especially with the amount of Trump Chumps that jump at any chance to praise their false messiah online.
There are certain political issues that I feel are worthy of an honest debate, no matter how strongly I feel one side or another is right or wrong. There are complexities in politics that are often unfairly simplified or distorted to give the impression of there being an easily deducible "right" or "wrong" answer.
Our media, and our political debate all too often presents complex issues superficially so they appear simple.
The more reports i read, and footage i see of instances of violence at Trump's rallies, the more disgusted i become.
For once, i think this issue is simple. Directly encouraging violence be used against people protesting at his rallies is indefensible.
I assume that people who support him on this issue have not considered the implications of a presidential hopeful behaving in this manner has for the sort of society it proposes.
Or perhaps just attention seeking clowns - or a combination of both.
There is no ambiguity of this rhetoric that leaves it open to interpretation.
There is no justification for saying that a heckler in a crowd should be beaten by a crowd they are vastly outnumbered by.
Especially by a man who is running for the job sometimes referred to as "leader of the free world".
A man in his position mocking the most fundamental elements of courtesy, respect and the rule of law in civil society is beyond absurd.
The concept of this guy being Commander in Chief of the world's most powerful military is perverse.
The fact that he is doing as well as he is in this contest speaks volumes about the mentality of the Republican Party's support base.
I don't know what the message is in all of this, but it seems that politically - and culturally - something must be going very, very wrong for Trump to be doing so well.
I am well aware of Trump's deliberate use of outrage for PR. His bluster plays well for the nutjob-and-proud crowd - and so far, it seems the old "no bad tbing as bad publicity" adage is working for him.
But there must inevitably reach a point where his bullshit bluffing becomes a reality - and this is it. He's telling his people to use physical violence against his vocal political opponents - and they are.
The sick irony of this whole thing is that a lot of the people being assaulted by police, security guards and secret service are protesting being the targets of police brutality - and being subjected to racism.
Guardian article said:
For once Trump proves a point - but not his own point.
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mal3volent
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Why blacks are supporting hillary.
Sounds like bullshit to me. I think it has more to do with name recognition and being oblivious to the true character of each candidate.
Sounds like bullshit to me. I think it has more to do with name recognition and being oblivious to the true character of each candidate.
nuttynutskin
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Never thought I'd see the day in this section but I totally agree with this. Trump is setting a dangerous precedent and deserves all the blow-back he's getting. The fact that he has basically no problem inciting violence to people who don't agree with his hateful bullshit should be grounds enough to make him unfit for a president. It's bad enough if people are getting roughed up at rallies, but if he was to win then what? He would be the first to have his finger ready to launch the nukes over a perceived slight. That is unless he's full of hot air and just using all the controversy to win the appeal of his nutjob supporters, but personally I don't want to find out.
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socko
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The state does not own everything in Europe. Europe has strong private property laws too. and it has lower taxes and more social benefits. I pay less in tax here than I ever did in USA. Anybody is free to own their own business, factory, or corporation. If America had socialism , it would still be America but it would be closer to what the founding fathers envisioned. More people would enjoy peace and prosperity with LESS government intrusion.
Droppersneck
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I get banned all the time for simply making jokes or getting sensitive people upset with facts b/c this is a private forum. Im not seeing your point are you saying Trump shouuldnt be allowed to eject protesters because that is not the way bluelight would do things?is that the logical consistency? Im willing to bet Trump does it for liability purposes. If you get thousands of people in a place there will be altercations. Also some of these protesters are from hate based groups there to simply make a headline.
Droppersneck
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bwhahahahhhahahhaha, I find that funny though dont get me wrong I respect your opinions socko. Dont we have socialism here in the form of USPS, social security, medicaid, etc etc. All failures in one way or another.
nuttynutskin
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I don't think it's as much about people being ejected as how they're being ejected, and of course the condoning of violence from Trump. I can't speak for everyone but I think it's fine if someone is ejected that's being unnecessarily disruptive from a political rally but that doesn't mean that you have to beat them. I think you're off the mark on this one dude.
effingcustie
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So anyone wanna talk about Hillary claiming that Nancy Reagan started the national discussion on AIDS in the 80s? Mind boggling gaff and it is incredibly misinformed, I have no idea how she could possibly say something that clueless. To me it just says thousands upon thousands of gay men were dying of AIDS, she didn't care then, and she doesn't care now. Of course given the discussion on the last few pages I'm expecting a few of you to think gay men SHOULD be dying of AIDS, but hey.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, basically after Nancy Reagan's death, Hillary said she should be commended for her courage in speaking up about AIDS in the 80s. Then of course backtracked and apologized a few hours later when people got pissed off because the reality is the Reagans made a point of NOT talking about AIDS for years as it reached epidemic levels, because of their own homophobia. The people who started the discussion on AIDS in the 80s were activists dying of the disease who actually had the courage to speak up about it while the Reagans ignored them. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-a-backlash-erupts/
If you don't know what I'm talking about, basically after Nancy Reagan's death, Hillary said she should be commended for her courage in speaking up about AIDS in the 80s. Then of course backtracked and apologized a few hours later when people got pissed off because the reality is the Reagans made a point of NOT talking about AIDS for years as it reached epidemic levels, because of their own homophobia. The people who started the discussion on AIDS in the 80s were activists dying of the disease who actually had the courage to speak up about it while the Reagans ignored them. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-a-backlash-erupts/
i think you're being a little deliberately obtuse, droppers. that's not your usual style. "with facts" is laughable but i'll let you enjoy your little delusion.
i feel i made my point clearly but i think you don't really want to hear it.
you feel trump is with his rights to arbitrarily eject people purely because he doesn't like what they are saying. well, you should therefore support my right to arbitrarily eject you for no other reason than i don't like what you're saying, right? logical. consistent.
alasdair
p.s. nice couple of posts, nutty.
alasdair
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GenericMind
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Probably the best thing to happen to Bernie's campaign this week. She lost a ton of support in the LGBT community for that stupid mistake.
Apostacious
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I fail to see the appeal in Trump. It is bizarre that he is drawing Democrats to the Republican party. This is the same man that wouldn't give up on Obama's origin of birth, as if Obama was magically unvetted and crowned president. This man actually is slightly racist... he certainly does love his father, who was a slumlord, and may have been a member of the kkk and hence responsible for a lynching or two.
Donald Trump has proposed no realistic policy strategies to tackle the problem of income inequality, and when he did pose a possible solution, it was soundly shot down by either Cruz or Rubio. He has no idea what he's doing, and people trust him to assume the most powerful office on the planet? His supporters are also not all low-information voters, and not all nor even a majority are racist. What a bizarre time to live.
Regarding Bernie Sanders, well, I do like some of his ideas, and those which are mischaracterized (free stuff), clearly I am against. I work in academia, and already see problems when it comes to grant funding for research. I doubt that the federal government alone could fund public unis to the extent that they retain and even attract the best thinkers in the world. Yet, what Sanders is actually proposing, is to make college affordable for everyone. This I certainly support. I don't think that anyone should get into $50K+ debt, just to get a liberal arts degree, and end up working at a gas station, because they weren't taught how to market themselves. I think the right approach here, is to make it a requirement for college students to take a vocational series of courses, that will either teach them a marketable trade, or teach them how to market themselves.
Donald Trump has proposed no realistic policy strategies to tackle the problem of income inequality, and when he did pose a possible solution, it was soundly shot down by either Cruz or Rubio. He has no idea what he's doing, and people trust him to assume the most powerful office on the planet? His supporters are also not all low-information voters, and not all nor even a majority are racist. What a bizarre time to live.
Regarding Bernie Sanders, well, I do like some of his ideas, and those which are mischaracterized (free stuff), clearly I am against. I work in academia, and already see problems when it comes to grant funding for research. I doubt that the federal government alone could fund public unis to the extent that they retain and even attract the best thinkers in the world. Yet, what Sanders is actually proposing, is to make college affordable for everyone. This I certainly support. I don't think that anyone should get into $50K+ debt, just to get a liberal arts degree, and end up working at a gas station, because they weren't taught how to market themselves. I think the right approach here, is to make it a requirement for college students to take a vocational series of courses, that will either teach them a marketable trade, or teach them how to market themselves.
Apostacious
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Careful, you might be labeled a "sexist" for criticizing Billary Clinton.
effingcustie
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Yup. I'm guessing that one comment probably cost her about half of her LGBTQ support, which is a pretty big deal in a race this close. I know I have seen at least a few of my friends in the community who were Hillary supporters either questioning their allegiance or downright denouncing her. I guess it should feel positive as I've been a Bernie fan from day 1, but it feels like SUCH a slap in the face that I just feel really hurt. I don't even want to politicize it. I certainly never supported Clinton or her politics, but I thought I could at least respect her as a well informed and very rational politician pushing for a better America (albeit with a method I personally strongly disagree with). To me that she would make such an obtuse re-writing of history and get the facts so so wrong just shows how deeply the legacies of various forms of bigotry are engrained in establishment politics, and why we really do need a very radical re-working of our political system if we want to talk about real progress.
socko
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You can see how transparent she really is. She always tries to latch onto an admired public figure or famous event if she thinks it will make herself look good and she can get away with it.
She's as fake as Nancy Reagans smile often was. I'm pretty sure Nancy and she hated each other yet in her speech she puts it like they were old friends tirelessly fighting AIDS together. She did the same thing with Obama. During her campaign against him in 2007 she insinuated that he was a Muslim. Today she tries to associate him and claim his policies as her own.
This is the story of her life. She married a politically ambitious man. She went on to brag about what a pioneering feminist she was. As co-président, she publicly insulted Tammy Whinnett for her song Stand by Your Man. Then her husband gets caught cheating 2 weeks later. Then she turns 180 degrees and stands by her man bc she knows he will help her political career. I can't stand personalities like this.
She thinks she's smarter than everyone else and nobody can see through her lies . Sadly she is smarter than the politically ignorant and thus half the country loves her.
She's as fake as Nancy Reagans smile often was. I'm pretty sure Nancy and she hated each other yet in her speech she puts it like they were old friends tirelessly fighting AIDS together. She did the same thing with Obama. During her campaign against him in 2007 she insinuated that he was a Muslim. Today she tries to associate him and claim his policies as her own.
This is the story of her life. She married a politically ambitious man. She went on to brag about what a pioneering feminist she was. As co-président, she publicly insulted Tammy Whinnett for her song Stand by Your Man. Then her husband gets caught cheating 2 weeks later. Then she turns 180 degrees and stands by her man bc she knows he will help her political career. I can't stand personalities like this.
She thinks she's smarter than everyone else and nobody can see through her lies . Sadly she is smarter than the politically ignorant and thus half the country loves her.
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