Introduction:
This is going to be a wall of text! If you decide to skip it or stop reading mid-text I urge you to at least read the TL;DR at the very end!
I eyeballed the doses, but I’m fairly certain about the amount I used assuming that my vendor had indeed sent me as much as he was supposed to (and I have no reason to doubt him).
Live Report:
T: +0:00
I figured it’s time to try a combo and see how the substances interact. So I bombed about 200mg of MDAI with half a glass of wine. Waiting for the MDAI to come up I smoked a cig and then went about mixing 3-FPM into a saline solution so I can spray in up my nose. I will refrain from making a post on the effects of 3-FPM alone, since I already covered that as extensively as I could last year.:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ne-(3-FPM)?p=12757823&viewfull=1#post12757823
The only advice I would give you is NOT to snort this shit. It is perfectly soluble in water and the effects of a 3-FPM spray are absolutely equal to the effects of snorting the powder. So unless you really want to experience the ache of an axe splitting your skull and lava flowing through your nose, I would highly recommend spraying 3-FPM.
Last time I went with ~500mg 3-FPM in ~10ml of salt/water solution. My intention for today was ~300mg in 7ml, but I kinda let my hand slip, so it became about ~500mg in 7ml. That’s of course is no problem since nobody is forcing me to spray it all today (unless I succumb to the urge to redose). Anyway, the powder was completely solved in the 7ml, so I was good to go.
T: +0:15
I sprayed 2 times in each nostril and continued with 2x spraying every few minutes from now on (it takes a whole lot of sprays to actually put 7ml up your nose). I believe that I do notice a difference between my more saturated solution this time and the one I had 8 months ago. There is a very minor burning sensation followed by a persistent bitter taste in my throat. However, I’d say that the unpleasantness that I feel now is about 2 orders of magnitude weaker than the one I felt after snorting 50-70mg (Really, do not snort).
T: 0:30
There is a small buzz form the 3-FPM. I had only slept 3 hours last night, then went to work, and by the time I was home and ate some fried junk food, I was just about ready to pass out. Now (about 100mg 3-FPM in), I feel absolutely awake. I also feel more energetic and the urge to communicate that most uppers raise in me is already present. Normally, I cannot even force myself to write more than a few sentences without getting bored. This is why my MDAI and 1P-LSD reports had been cut short. However, the 3-FPM woke up my inner Hemmingway and I am willing to write a whole lot of text about a whole lot of nothing. I even intend to add some post factum reflections on both previous trips.
T: +0:45
The 3-FPM feels good, not great, but good enough. I feel pleased and calm. I cannot really pinpoint any effects on the MDAI yet. But considering how subtle it acted on its own, I would not really expect to ever be able to pinpoint anything in particular on the MDAI. I hope to be able to gain some insight on its effects (if any) by comparing this trip report with the old one of 3-FPM only and watch out for any differences. I have currently sprayed about 200mg 3-FPM.
T: +1:00
About 250mg 3-FPM have made their way up my nose by now. The positive effects are all still present - slightly uplifted, chatty, pleasantly calm. However, the physical side effects started appearing, too: Tachycardia, elevated temperature (not sure if true or just perceived), lightheadedness, dizziness.
I think about slowing down the 3-FPM intake now. So far I have been forcing myself to spray in regular intervals. Now, I will only spray if the urge to redose appears.
I have also been drinking some minor amounts of wine along the way. All my previous experiences with uppers (MPH, EPH, 3-FPM) have shown that alcohol always improves the effects (at least for me). I am thinking about compensating the reduced intake of 3-FPM with an increased intake of alcohol.
T: +1:40
Dizziness! Dizziness is the most prominent effect of 3-FPM at this point. My mentally very pleasant state of calmness seems to be in disaccord with the mental energy I feel. My MDAI reflections are now 12 times longer than my actual trip report! I have not taken any more 3-FPM for the past 40 minutes but I will go for another 2x2 sprays now. I have also refilled my glass of wine and the bottle was moved from the fridge to my immediately proximity, since I will drink it all today (around 550ml).
I am feeling really well. The physical side effects seem to be absolutely irrelevant to me and do not bother me at all.
Side note: This is very much unlike my EPH experience in higher doses (200mg). I was anxious about my well-being and at several short points in time I was genuinely scared for my health. And this is coming from somebody who saw the universe being sliced in loaves and disappear in to the abyss of darkness (ridiculous hit of salvia: bong with 40x extract) and instead of panicking I simply accepted it as a given; Somebody that saw animalistic, dysmorphic alien creatures come out of the walls (5.2g of shrooms) and just laughed about the unusual occurrence.
T: +1:50
2x2 sprays up the nose and now I am off continuing my MDAI trip reflections.
T: + 2:20
My MDAI reflections are done. Thanks 3-FPM! My mind seems very focused and highly willing to be engaged in any demanding action rather than some mind-numbing activity. However, this is very unlike the way my eyes behave. I do feel fully awake and closing my eyes for more than a split second is impossible. But I feel like every now and then they lose focus and need to concentrate to see the text in front of me clearly again. I still feel very well. I am still encompassed by a feeling of content and pleasant calmness about everything. I do notice the dizziness, the lightheadedness, and the vision focusing issues, but they do not bother me in the slightest. The other physical side effects are non-existent to my consciousness. I just had to concentrate for a bit to evaluate them. Besides the ones mentioned above, there is increased heart-rate and vasoconstriction. I am not really able to notice any other physical effects, but I might just be unable to do so, since my mind may very well have decided to ignore them.
T: +3:00
My 1P-LSD reflections have now surpassed the live trip report in length. I just added another 2x2 sprays of 3-FPM and have been regularly taking small sips of wine in the past 40 minutes. My mental state has not changed one bit in this time. I feel just as great as described above. I am so extremely eager to write. Not only do I thoroughly enjoy it, but it goes so fluently like never before in my life (I do compare the other upper trips and alcohol induced urge to write here, since until today those were the strongest drives to write I ever had). I am completely engulfed by writing. Not only did I mostly forget to smoke in the past 40 minutes, but whenever I was thinking about lighting a cigarette, the urge to write won over the urge to smoke. This is absolutely unlike any of my previous upper trips! Aside from being able to free myself from the distraction of smoking, I am also able to write without any breaks. Every single time in the past, I would stop after nearly every sentence I wrote and think about what I want to say next. Also, I would regularly check with an online dictionary to find the most suitable English word for a though that came to me in another language. This time around, the right words seem to emerge just in time so I can use them. I still checked with the online dictionary for some thoughts I need translated, or for the correct spelling, but my use of the dictionary is not even remotely comparable to any previous times I sat down to write a blog or a trip report. I’d say my use of it has been cut down by 75% and the time I need to formulate my thoughts has been slashed by at least 90% in comparison to previous attempts at writing by me after taking uppers or drinking alcohol.
That being said, I do not think that my present state of mind would be of any use if I tried to study or if I wanted to focus for work. Yes, I am able to completely concentrate on one single task and perfectly follow through with my trail of thoughts. But I also feel like I really need to do something creative and cannot bear the thought of doing something repetitive or something that would put a strain on memory. Not to mention that there is a colossal urge to share my thoughts, which I can only imagine would be absolutely devastating to any attempts to study.
T: +3:20
I will light my first cigarette in over an hour now. I’d still rather continue to share, but I am going to switch back to the 1P-LSD reflections and would probably need at least a few moments to gather my thoughts on this very different subject. Also, I feel like doing another 2x2 sprays, so I will, since I simply adore my current state of mind and would really love to keep it up as long as possible.
Side note: Looking at the remaining solution in the spray bottle, I would say that right now I am just above 300mg 3-FPM and will be around 350mg after the planned 2x2.
T: +4:15
I am still completely engulfed in writing. My 1P-LSD reflections have become quite sizeable and there is still more that I feel like deserves to be in there. I am still fully awake and that strong creative energy is still flowing through my mind. However, in the past 30 minutes I have felt becoming increasingly less content. I still feel good and calm, but the oh so pleasant touch that the calmness had, faded slowly away, and now I feel that it is completely gone. I have also started noticing that my body feels cool – not so cold that it would bother me, but I’d say that in last 30 minutes I became aware of my body again. Gone is the absolute irrelevance and ignorance about my body.
Also, my mental state seems to have become “colder”, too. I noticed that I associated the pleasantness during the first 3 hours of the trip with a warm and positive feeling in my head. I still feel good, but that feeling has changed its “color” – from warm and mellow, to cold and sharp.
I wonder if this was an effect caused by the MDAI. It was so subtle two days ago that I was worried I might not even notice it today. However, I tend to believe that this pleasantness was indeed caused by the MDAI, mostly on the grounds of the sudden and significant change in my overall feeling.
Toilet break, then another 2x2 of 3-FMP, a cig, some wine, and I will return to conclusion of my 1P-LSD trip report.
T: +4:30
Getting up to go to the toilet suddenly made me aware of many more physical side-effects:
- legs are very cold (might be at least to some degree due to the fact that they are very close to the open balcony door: currently 15C° outside)
- Vision get slightly blurred for short periods of time and I need to refocus, which however is easily achieved (I’d say my vision acts out like it does after a few beers, not so many that I am wasted and not so few that I barely feel buzzed. The fact that I have drunk 2 glasses of wine since the beginning of the trip, might be somewhat responsible)
- While I was standing in front of the toilet I noticed that I am shaking a bit (not noticeable when I sit and write)
- I do not notice any increased heart-beat, which is really strange (uppers anyone?) I am also unable to feel my heart beat with my hand and to feel my pulse on my wrist. And I really cannot be bothered to try any longer since I need to write.
T: +4:55
I am still writing like a machine. The 1P-LSD reflection has become absurdly long and I still have things in mind that I want to mention. I do feel that everything I write is relevant to the experience, but it has become really long…
I now clearly notice a change in my attitude and sentiment towards writing. I still want to write. However, I feel like suddenly the joy of writing has been sucked out of the action. It was not an ecstatic joy, but rather a subtle satisfaction. As it lasted, I barely noticed it, but now that it is gone, I am really missing it, and I feel like the whole experience has been crippled – going from great to just ok.
2x2 sprayed, I guess, chasing the high. I know that it is futile, but I want to at least try and keep my level. Also, in the past 30-45 minutes I have begun smoking heavily. The insignificance of the cigarettes and my perception of them as a hindrance are no more. Luckily, I am still writing like a machine even when holding a lit stick of shit in my hand (or mouth).
T: +5:40
I just did another 2x2 sprayings. I do not really know why. There is no tangible effect that I am expecting. I guess, I am just chasing the high, even though I believe that this is futile as long as I do not take any more MDAI. What can I say, uppers are prone to make one redose, and when the redosing is as easy as taking the small bottle next to me and pressing on the cap 4 times, there really is not much to stop me from doing it.
My state of mind has not changed much in the past hour. I still feel ok (read better than baseline), but the warm feeling is gone completely. It has been gone for so long now that I am barely missing it anymore. It is just a pleasant memory.
I am keeping up the writing and it continues to be bringing me some joy. However, I feel like I have slowed down a bit (not by much though, I am still churning out a shitload of stuff that is of questionable literary merit), but I feel like now I have to stop to think about my thoughts a bit more often than 2 or 3 hours ago.
Surprisingly, I have been ignoring again the cigarettes in the past half an hour, being fully engulfed in my writing. But now I will light another one…
I have noticed a (new?) side effect: jaw-clenching
T: +6:45
Well, I have basically gone through the whole 3-FPM solution. That’s about 500mg (in retrospect maybe up to 10% more) of 3-FPM over the last six and a half hours, additionally there was the ~200mg MDAI bomb at the beginning. The trip has been enhanced by about 550ml of wine spread out more or less equally over the course of the past nearly 7 hours.
Any feelings of well-being are long gone. I am pretty sure that they were due to MDAI. The 3-FPM, however, is still alive and kicking. I have been writing non-stop (with the exception of taking a piss twice) for the past 6 hours and 30 minutes. The satisfaction I was feeling in the first 3 or so from writing is not present anymore. Now writing simply feels like the “right” thing to do. Not to mention that my mind still craves for a somewhat complex occupation. I would normally be playing pc games, but on 3-FPM I actually feel turned off by them. I simply do not want to play.
I want to share my thoughts.
I will spray whatever is left in the bottle (if anything) and go back to finishing the 1P-LSD trip report. 3844 words were added to that report during the past hours and I still have a couple hundred that I need to type. Additionally, the MDAI report was increased by 1131 words, while the actual notes during the trip are less than 60 words. Ultimately, this live report has now almost reached 2800 words…
You should consider that normally, I cannot be arsed to write anything longer than a couple hundred words, and even then I need to rethink every sentence a bunch of times before even starting to write it down and then a couple of more times before finally setting myself firm on the words I want to use. There is no doubt whatsoever that some or all of today’s drugs (MDAI, 3-FPM, alcohol) changed me profoundly for the duration of the trip.
T: +7:00
There is quite a bit more left of the 3-FPM than I expected. After spraying 4 times in each nostril, my nose simply had no more space to take in any more fluids. I will try to finish it off in a few minutes.
T: +7:45
Turns out I did use up all the remaining 3FPM/saline solution last time. When I went for another spraying only about half a dose came out. So I can say that I effectively consumed give or take around 500mg. My 1P-LSD report is complete and soooo unbelievably long. Looking at the length alone I’d be inclined to say that it is stupidly and pointlessly long, but at the same I did feel that everything I wrote down was important to convey my experience as accurately as possible.
I also searched for my previous substance evaluation and trip report on 3-FPM solo (+ “copious amount of alcohol”). First of all, apparently I had forgotten about some of the aspects of the drug. More interesting is the comparison between my experience back then and the one I had today. I had described the feeling of calmness back then as well. However, with only 3-FPM it was an easygoing, “leave all your trouble behind” kind of calmness, which is very much alike to my state of mind in the past 5 hours. The surprising part about the calmness I experienced last time on this substance is that back then there really was not much material about 3-FPM that I could find online. The dose I took back then (500mg-550mg) was by far the largest dose anybody on the forums I found had ever taken. It seemed like a real possibility that I might be overdosing big time and that there will be some serious health issues. But despite the situation and the very reasonable conclusion that I am toying with my health, I remained calm the whole time.
Back then, I said that the substance can be “somewhat “fun” at stupidly high doses (maybe only if mixed with alc)”.This statement does not do justice to the way I felt during the first three hours of my trip today. I felt genuinely content. When this feeling started to subside I was missing it and noticed a huge difference in the way I felt the first 3 hours and next 5 hours. During both periods the way I felt was constant without any perceived changes in mood and mental well-being. However, the difference in those aspects between the two periods of constancy felt quite significant, far beyond the spectrum of a placebo effect. The first period was marked with a pronounced feeling of being content. I was not euphoric, but just genuinely satisfied with my mental state. An intangible effect that I can only describe as inner warmness was present in that time. During those three hours I did not really pay attention to this warmness and did not recognize it. However, after it disappeared I noticed the almost drastic change I experienced. This leads me to the conclusion that this effect was caused by the MDAI. Thus, I would say that MDAI significantly improved the experience of 3-FPM.
T: +9:20
I do not see any point in continuing the trip report. The effects of MDAI have long disappeared. The 3-FPM is still quite strong, albeit declining. I am still absolutely awake and I assume that I will not be able to fall asleep tonight. The drive to write feels significantly less pronounced now, I would continue, but not because it gives me satisfaction like in the first 3 hours, also, not because I intrinsically really want to write like in the following 5 or so hours, but simply because I still need to occupy my mind with some task. I notice that I am experiencing some difficulties to write in the past hour: I make more mistakes, forget to write words leading to sentences with missing key words, and go about writing much slower now. Furthermore, anything I wrote in the past hour has generally felt less important, badly worded, or just plain insignificant. The mental energy I mentioned several times a few hours ago seems to be more or less drained by now. I will redirect my focus onto formatting the 3 trip reports I’ve done so far, add an introduction and add a bullet point overview to each one them, so people who do not feel like reading a wall of text can still gain some information out of my experience.
Finally, I want to quickly run through my current condition 9 hours and 40 minutes after the start and 2 hours and 40 minutes since the last dose of 3-FPM:
T: +11:30
I did not intend to report anymore on this trip, but I just wanted to note that one of the most prominent effects of 3-FPM seems to be expiring on a fast and steady pace. The urge to write has declined so much in the past hour that I cannot really classify it as an urge anymore. Now it is simply an option. Writing is still much easier to me at this very moment than it is when I am completely sober, but I do not need to do it anymore. For over 10 hours it was a necessary outlet for my mental energy but now I actually have to put some effort into it, albeit very, very little. Right now I prefer to read what I have written so far rather than expand on it. Everything else is pretty much the same as listed in the bullet points in the previous update. The only other difference is that I finally put on a pullover.
I have been awake for 22 hours so far and I only slept 3 hours last night, but I am still very much awake and sleeping still seems impossible (4 hours 30 minutes since the last of the 3-FPM). It is obvious that I will not be sleeping tonight, and going to work severely sleep deprived. Although, I perceive myself to be mentally awake and fully capable of utilizing my mind to its full extent, I seem to notice that I am not at 100% anymore. I feel like my reactions are very slow. I would not want to drive today even though I would say that I still can without any major problems (I may be overestimating myself here). Focusing on a single task and executing it still feels much easier than it normally does. However, switching tasks takes quite a bit of time. I feel like it would be very challenging for me to hold a conversation today. I imagine that I would need a few seconds to process the words of the other person, then a few more to switch my mind onto the topic of conversation, and then some more to muster any response.
I cannot sleep, I do not want to sleep, and my mind seems to be convinced that it is still working more efficiently than normally. However, I start to get the impression that my mind is mistaken.
Conclusion:
My expectations prior to the consumption of the MDAI/3-FPM combo have been very low. I recall that I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the 3-FPM last year. Simultaneously, my MDAI experience 2 days ago seemed to confirm an actual effect of the substance, but it was so subtle that I could not imagine any serious interaction with the overall fairly disappointing upper.
Looking back at the experience, my expectations seem to have been very inaccurate. There was not even the resemblance of euphoria at any point during the trip, but the persistent satisfaction that lasted for the first 3 hours has been great. I did not really notice the moment when it overcame me. In its typical subtle manner MDAI snuck that pleasant feeling upon me very slowly without me ever realizing it. Not only was I in a continuous state of satisfaction, but being productive (in this case writing) was very rewarding as long as the MDAI lasted. I believe that the alcohol was not a factor in that period. By the end, of the period of pleasant calmness and joyful writing, I had only drunk 250ml of wine. This is a basically a threshold dose for me. Considering that it was spread over 3 hours, I do not think that it impacted the experience in any way.
The pleasantness that I attribute to MDAI arose slowly and unnoticeably. I barely acknowledged it while it lasted, and only became aware of it by the time it started to disappear. Over a period of 30 minutes the baseless satisfaction continuously decreased until it fully disappeared. Despite the fact that the change in my mental state felt so drastic I never even considered redosing on MDAI. On the other hand, 3-FPM was the total opposite, while at the beginning I had to force myself to regularly send some of the solution up my nose, later I just wanted to redose in rather short intervals. As a matter of fact, even 10 hours after the start, and over 3 hours since the last 3-FPM dose, I still kind of want to mix more of the solution and continue with it. I find it quite peculiar that I felt no need to redose on the MDAI despite its expiration leading to a very significant, highly undesirable change in my mental state, while for over 7 hours I had not noticed any change in the 3-FPM’s effects, but still wanted to (and did) redose quite often.
After the first 3 hours, the experience has been basically a “standard” (extremely) high dose 3-FPM “trip”. There is only one aspect, which was pronounced between the 3rd and the 7th hour of the experience, that seems to be in disaccord with my previous consumption of 3-FPM. Although, the rewarding aspect of writing subsided shortly after I felt that the MDAI expired, the productivity and ease of my writing continued for four more hours. Only then did I notice a significant drop-off in both the quality (spelling, forgetting to type words) and the easiness (needed much more time to formulate a sentence, had to look up more words in the dictionary) of my writing. However, I am unsure if this can be attributed to some lingering effects of MDAI. It seems possible that I may have simply imagined this effect or that I may have incorrect memory of how 3-FPM acted on its own the last time I took it alone, which is already over 8 months ago.
In retrospect, I am very satisfied with today’s experience. I started with barely any expectations and they were exceeded by what feels like an order of magnitude. I feel like the MDAI improved the experience significantly. I am not sure how much of a role the alcohol played in any part of the trip, but I cannot imagine it having any meaningful impact in the first three hours or past the eight hour. Maybe around T: +5:00 and T: +6:00 I might have been slightly to moderately buzzed. It is also possible that my perception of the 3rd to the 7th period being far more pleasant than anything afterwards was caused at least partially by the alcohol.
The writing has been a major factor in today’s experience. It was an outlet for thoughts of mine that I really wanted to share and subsequently felt good about doing so. Additionally, in the first three hours writing evoked a very pleasant and rewarding feeling of accomplishment. Later it seemed to be the perfect occupation to harness the mental drive produced by the 3-FPM. Today, I churned well over 11000 words. I am convinced that the main reason is the 3-FPM but cannot help to feel that the MDAI had a significant contribution. I have experienced a similar urge to share my thoughts, which often results in me writing walls of text, previously as well. All uppers have had this effect on me, be it MPH, EPH or 3-FPM. Alcohol has also caused me to write significant portions of text on rare occasions. However, I believe that the longest text I ever wrote before today was still less than 5000 words. Of course, this time I had plenty of material to write about, having tried 3 different RC’s in 4 days. However, the overall increase in output of well beyond 100% compared to my former record seems extraordinary and I am inclined to give MDAI a lot of the credit for that.
Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the combo of MDAI and 3-FPM and am as certain as I can be that the effects I experienced cannot possibly be attributed to a placebo effect or a distorted perception on my side. For me the combination of those two substances felt distinctly different than their own effects. I was thinking about saving the last 200-250mg MDAI for a party or some event that I would expect to enjoy a lot in the hope that the MDAI would make the experience even more pleasant, but now I am seriously considering to use it together with the remaining 450-500mg of 3-FPM in the near future for the exact same trip as today.
Addendum: The Persistence of 3-FPM
T: +32:40
It is 1:50 am. Assuming that my math is correct, it has been just over 25 hours since my last 3-FPM hit. It has also been around 42 hours since I last slept… for three hours, which were preceded of another 16 hours of being awake.
After binging on 3-FPM late into the night I knew that sleep was out of the question. I would have to go to work sleep deprived and would probably crash about the time I arrived there. I had reached those expectations without taking into account the long-lasting lingering effects of 3-FPM I had forgotten about. During the whole day I mildly but persistently felt most of the effects of sleep deprivation – reduced concentration, trouble holding a conversation, clumsiness, etc. – but there were two things missing: the ability to close my eyes for more than 2 seconds and the urge to sleep. Not only was it a breeze to stay alert at work, but I actually felt like I might not be able to sleep yet another night based on my condition around midnight. Now, 2 hours and 4 beers later, I am still uncertain if I will be able to fall asleep tonight. At least I currently feel like going to bed may actually lead to me sleeping.
The two other lingering effects of 3-FPM that accompanied me the day after the binge seem to be subsiding – the complete lack of appetite or thirst. While I managed to force myself to drink a somewhat reasonable amount of water today, I was absolutely unable to eat anything until an hour ago, when hunger finally returned.
I am still certain that 3-FPM and some of its effects are still present, but I will try to sleep now. I hope that this works…
Post trip reflections:
I greatly enjoyed the first 3 or so hours after both substances had kicked in. The MDAI crawled upon me quite subtly. Subsequently, there was no rush and I actually did not fully realize how good I felt until its effects started to wear off. Then I started to miss the warm feeling inside me. I noticed that my attitude of just being generally content for no reason whatsoever faded away over the course of 30 minutes. Writing, while still pleasurable, turned from a rewarding activity to a more mundane task. Do you know those minor feelings of achievement one gets when wrapping up some activity that is beyond the ordinary daily task? Those subtly rewarding feelings one gets after going out for a jog or cleaning up the mess that has piled up at home? Those were the feelings of achievement that I experienced while writing in that 3 hour window – after nearly every sentence I wrote down, I felt that petty, but still ever so pleasant, feeling of achievement. Surprisingly, I did not redose on MDAI even though the experience winded down significantly. In comparison to the 3-FPM that I shot up my nose every 15-30 minutes, MDAI seems to barely be moreish.
To cut it short:
Despite having passed the peak, my experience remained somewhat pleasant for another 4 or so hours. After the first 7-8 hours, there wasn’t much else that I felt other than the inability to sleep and eat that the 3-FPM had granted me (and both of them lasted far too long for my taste).
Overall, I’d say that this was a pleasant experience. It was not mind-shattering or eye-opening or hyper-euphoric or any other extreme adjective one may use to describe a great drug experience. The onset was subtle and the peak was rather moderate. However, the drug combination clearly had a positive effect on me and I had a strange but genuinely joyful time that was very noticeably different from what I would normally perceive as pleasant. As a matter of fact, I liked it so much that I decided to use the last of my MDAI for another such night.
Second experience:
The second time around, I decided to try change things a bit and bombed the 3-FPM as well. I ingested about 250mg of 3-FPM and 300mg of MDAI in rapid succession. While waiting for the effects to hit me, I was working on a bottle of wine (750ml). 7 hours prior to the two bombs, I had taken ~80mg of MXP. I was going to hold on to the 3-FPM/MDAI combo until a day later, but since I barely got any effects from the MXP I decided to push up my schedule.
I started to feel the first effects of 3-FPM/MDAI after about an hour post ingestion. This is what I wrote down during the experience:
T: +1:30
Pc games
T: +1:45
I am feeling great
This gotta be the closest I have ever felt to “King of the World“ when I was on MPH.
T; +2:25
I am feeling great. For some reason I can keep playing pc games this time around. The most striking thing to me is that this time I am fully aware that I feel fucking awesome. It feels great! The only side effect I am able to notice is some fairly strong jaw clenching.
T: +2:40
I cannot believe how great I feel right now for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I am pretty sure this will be a feeling I am going to miss in the weeks (months) to come. On a more rational level I am actually quite glad that my recklessly big order is almost gone now. I am pretty sure that I would not have thrown away any MDAI or 3-FPM left overs and just went for another “trip” with them. That combo just feels great. Subsequently, I can see myself chasing its effects extremely often if I had those substances easily available to me.
T: +3:20
That incredibly great feeling has been subsiding in the past 20 or so minutes. I still feel unexpectedly well, but my mood is not comparable to how it was 30 minutes ago L
T: +3:55
That awesome feeling is gone. Cya MDAI, I will miss you. The 3FPM is still going strong, though.
I am not sure when exactly I finished the bottle of wine, but it was no later than T: +3:30 and quite possibly as early as T: +2:00. This means that I was also fairly drunk for basically the whole peak.
The most prominent things about my second experience with the 3-FPM/MDAI combo are:
As mentioned in my short live report on the second experience, I was feeling really great. The comparison to my MPH experience is the single most important note I made. A few years ago I ended up with some 50 or so 10mg Ritalin pills that I had no use for, so I decided to try and get high on them. Crushing those pills and snorting 30mg of MPH is easily the most awesome feeling I have ever had in my life. For me the rush was mind-blowing. The euphoria that followed was a feeling I never even imagined could possibly exist. The only reason why ever started to experiment with any RC is because I wanted to reach that high again. Thus the feeling that I got from MPH has been my benchmark for the effects of any other substances. My second experience with 3-FPM/MDAI did not deliver the rush that snorting MPH did. However, the euphoria was similarly intense even though it had a distinctively different shade: MPH made me great; it made me feel like “the king of the world”; 3-FPM/MDAI made the world great and allowed me to enjoy it in way that is not possible when sober.
As previously mentioned, my second 3-FPM/MDAI experience included noticeable physical side-effects unlike the first one. They did not bother me at all during the peak, but as soon as it passed, I suddenly became very much aware how absolutely shitty I felt…
Serotonin toxicity:
About 4 hours after I took the 2 bombs all pleasant effects were gone and I realized that I feel like complete and utter shit. Now, I have no special medical knowledge and I did not go to see a doctor, but I am as certain that I had given myself serotonin poisoning as somebody in my position can be. I had a fairly strong headache and my heart was racing. I was really nauseous. I was shivering but sweating like a pig at the same time. While my extremities felt cold periodically, my head felt like it was on fire. I was feeling so shitty that I simply could not remain sitting in front of my pc anymore.
For a moment or two, I was contemplating going to the hospital, but for some reason I decided to “ride it out” and stay at home. I figured that I should go to sleep to evade the brunt of the side-effects… Well, this proved to be an impossible task. Falling asleep is rather difficult when you feel like shit. One does not feel very comfortable when being completely wet from all the sweating or having a major headache. But these thing are negligible in comparison to the usual effects of 250mg of 3-FPM. Falling asleep only 4 hours after ingestion is absolutely impossible. After 30 minutes of lying in bed I realized the futility of my attempt. I went on to watch some series for about 2 hours while being tormented by my physical condition. Only then was I able to fall asleep.
I slept for about 7 hours. I still did not feel good, but the side-effects had subsided significantly. About 24 hours after the stupid 3-FPM/MDAI combo, I was feeling alright again.
TL;DR
The 3-FPM/MDAI combo did deliver some great effects. Between my two experiences, the peak ranged from quite good to really great. However, I will not be taking this combo ever again. The chance of killing oneself doing this just seems too high. Even without it, I certainly do not want to experience those nasty physical side-effects again.
This is going to be a wall of text! If you decide to skip it or stop reading mid-text I urge you to at least read the TL;DR at the very end!
I eyeballed the doses, but I’m fairly certain about the amount I used assuming that my vendor had indeed sent me as much as he was supposed to (and I have no reason to doubt him).
Live Report:
T: +0:00
I figured it’s time to try a combo and see how the substances interact. So I bombed about 200mg of MDAI with half a glass of wine. Waiting for the MDAI to come up I smoked a cig and then went about mixing 3-FPM into a saline solution so I can spray in up my nose. I will refrain from making a post on the effects of 3-FPM alone, since I already covered that as extensively as I could last year.:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ne-(3-FPM)?p=12757823&viewfull=1#post12757823
The only advice I would give you is NOT to snort this shit. It is perfectly soluble in water and the effects of a 3-FPM spray are absolutely equal to the effects of snorting the powder. So unless you really want to experience the ache of an axe splitting your skull and lava flowing through your nose, I would highly recommend spraying 3-FPM.
Last time I went with ~500mg 3-FPM in ~10ml of salt/water solution. My intention for today was ~300mg in 7ml, but I kinda let my hand slip, so it became about ~500mg in 7ml. That’s of course is no problem since nobody is forcing me to spray it all today (unless I succumb to the urge to redose). Anyway, the powder was completely solved in the 7ml, so I was good to go.
T: +0:15
I sprayed 2 times in each nostril and continued with 2x spraying every few minutes from now on (it takes a whole lot of sprays to actually put 7ml up your nose). I believe that I do notice a difference between my more saturated solution this time and the one I had 8 months ago. There is a very minor burning sensation followed by a persistent bitter taste in my throat. However, I’d say that the unpleasantness that I feel now is about 2 orders of magnitude weaker than the one I felt after snorting 50-70mg (Really, do not snort).
T: 0:30
There is a small buzz form the 3-FPM. I had only slept 3 hours last night, then went to work, and by the time I was home and ate some fried junk food, I was just about ready to pass out. Now (about 100mg 3-FPM in), I feel absolutely awake. I also feel more energetic and the urge to communicate that most uppers raise in me is already present. Normally, I cannot even force myself to write more than a few sentences without getting bored. This is why my MDAI and 1P-LSD reports had been cut short. However, the 3-FPM woke up my inner Hemmingway and I am willing to write a whole lot of text about a whole lot of nothing. I even intend to add some post factum reflections on both previous trips.
T: +0:45
The 3-FPM feels good, not great, but good enough. I feel pleased and calm. I cannot really pinpoint any effects on the MDAI yet. But considering how subtle it acted on its own, I would not really expect to ever be able to pinpoint anything in particular on the MDAI. I hope to be able to gain some insight on its effects (if any) by comparing this trip report with the old one of 3-FPM only and watch out for any differences. I have currently sprayed about 200mg 3-FPM.
T: +1:00
About 250mg 3-FPM have made their way up my nose by now. The positive effects are all still present - slightly uplifted, chatty, pleasantly calm. However, the physical side effects started appearing, too: Tachycardia, elevated temperature (not sure if true or just perceived), lightheadedness, dizziness.
I think about slowing down the 3-FPM intake now. So far I have been forcing myself to spray in regular intervals. Now, I will only spray if the urge to redose appears.
I have also been drinking some minor amounts of wine along the way. All my previous experiences with uppers (MPH, EPH, 3-FPM) have shown that alcohol always improves the effects (at least for me). I am thinking about compensating the reduced intake of 3-FPM with an increased intake of alcohol.
T: +1:40
Dizziness! Dizziness is the most prominent effect of 3-FPM at this point. My mentally very pleasant state of calmness seems to be in disaccord with the mental energy I feel. My MDAI reflections are now 12 times longer than my actual trip report! I have not taken any more 3-FPM for the past 40 minutes but I will go for another 2x2 sprays now. I have also refilled my glass of wine and the bottle was moved from the fridge to my immediately proximity, since I will drink it all today (around 550ml).
I am feeling really well. The physical side effects seem to be absolutely irrelevant to me and do not bother me at all.
Side note: This is very much unlike my EPH experience in higher doses (200mg). I was anxious about my well-being and at several short points in time I was genuinely scared for my health. And this is coming from somebody who saw the universe being sliced in loaves and disappear in to the abyss of darkness (ridiculous hit of salvia: bong with 40x extract) and instead of panicking I simply accepted it as a given; Somebody that saw animalistic, dysmorphic alien creatures come out of the walls (5.2g of shrooms) and just laughed about the unusual occurrence.
T: +1:50
2x2 sprays up the nose and now I am off continuing my MDAI trip reflections.
T: + 2:20
My MDAI reflections are done. Thanks 3-FPM! My mind seems very focused and highly willing to be engaged in any demanding action rather than some mind-numbing activity. However, this is very unlike the way my eyes behave. I do feel fully awake and closing my eyes for more than a split second is impossible. But I feel like every now and then they lose focus and need to concentrate to see the text in front of me clearly again. I still feel very well. I am still encompassed by a feeling of content and pleasant calmness about everything. I do notice the dizziness, the lightheadedness, and the vision focusing issues, but they do not bother me in the slightest. The other physical side effects are non-existent to my consciousness. I just had to concentrate for a bit to evaluate them. Besides the ones mentioned above, there is increased heart-rate and vasoconstriction. I am not really able to notice any other physical effects, but I might just be unable to do so, since my mind may very well have decided to ignore them.
T: +3:00
My 1P-LSD reflections have now surpassed the live trip report in length. I just added another 2x2 sprays of 3-FPM and have been regularly taking small sips of wine in the past 40 minutes. My mental state has not changed one bit in this time. I feel just as great as described above. I am so extremely eager to write. Not only do I thoroughly enjoy it, but it goes so fluently like never before in my life (I do compare the other upper trips and alcohol induced urge to write here, since until today those were the strongest drives to write I ever had). I am completely engulfed by writing. Not only did I mostly forget to smoke in the past 40 minutes, but whenever I was thinking about lighting a cigarette, the urge to write won over the urge to smoke. This is absolutely unlike any of my previous upper trips! Aside from being able to free myself from the distraction of smoking, I am also able to write without any breaks. Every single time in the past, I would stop after nearly every sentence I wrote and think about what I want to say next. Also, I would regularly check with an online dictionary to find the most suitable English word for a though that came to me in another language. This time around, the right words seem to emerge just in time so I can use them. I still checked with the online dictionary for some thoughts I need translated, or for the correct spelling, but my use of the dictionary is not even remotely comparable to any previous times I sat down to write a blog or a trip report. I’d say my use of it has been cut down by 75% and the time I need to formulate my thoughts has been slashed by at least 90% in comparison to previous attempts at writing by me after taking uppers or drinking alcohol.
That being said, I do not think that my present state of mind would be of any use if I tried to study or if I wanted to focus for work. Yes, I am able to completely concentrate on one single task and perfectly follow through with my trail of thoughts. But I also feel like I really need to do something creative and cannot bear the thought of doing something repetitive or something that would put a strain on memory. Not to mention that there is a colossal urge to share my thoughts, which I can only imagine would be absolutely devastating to any attempts to study.
T: +3:20
I will light my first cigarette in over an hour now. I’d still rather continue to share, but I am going to switch back to the 1P-LSD reflections and would probably need at least a few moments to gather my thoughts on this very different subject. Also, I feel like doing another 2x2 sprays, so I will, since I simply adore my current state of mind and would really love to keep it up as long as possible.
Side note: Looking at the remaining solution in the spray bottle, I would say that right now I am just above 300mg 3-FPM and will be around 350mg after the planned 2x2.
T: +4:15
I am still completely engulfed in writing. My 1P-LSD reflections have become quite sizeable and there is still more that I feel like deserves to be in there. I am still fully awake and that strong creative energy is still flowing through my mind. However, in the past 30 minutes I have felt becoming increasingly less content. I still feel good and calm, but the oh so pleasant touch that the calmness had, faded slowly away, and now I feel that it is completely gone. I have also started noticing that my body feels cool – not so cold that it would bother me, but I’d say that in last 30 minutes I became aware of my body again. Gone is the absolute irrelevance and ignorance about my body.
Also, my mental state seems to have become “colder”, too. I noticed that I associated the pleasantness during the first 3 hours of the trip with a warm and positive feeling in my head. I still feel good, but that feeling has changed its “color” – from warm and mellow, to cold and sharp.
I wonder if this was an effect caused by the MDAI. It was so subtle two days ago that I was worried I might not even notice it today. However, I tend to believe that this pleasantness was indeed caused by the MDAI, mostly on the grounds of the sudden and significant change in my overall feeling.
Toilet break, then another 2x2 of 3-FMP, a cig, some wine, and I will return to conclusion of my 1P-LSD trip report.
T: +4:30
Getting up to go to the toilet suddenly made me aware of many more physical side-effects:
- legs are very cold (might be at least to some degree due to the fact that they are very close to the open balcony door: currently 15C° outside)
- Vision get slightly blurred for short periods of time and I need to refocus, which however is easily achieved (I’d say my vision acts out like it does after a few beers, not so many that I am wasted and not so few that I barely feel buzzed. The fact that I have drunk 2 glasses of wine since the beginning of the trip, might be somewhat responsible)
- While I was standing in front of the toilet I noticed that I am shaking a bit (not noticeable when I sit and write)
- I do not notice any increased heart-beat, which is really strange (uppers anyone?) I am also unable to feel my heart beat with my hand and to feel my pulse on my wrist. And I really cannot be bothered to try any longer since I need to write.
T: +4:55
I am still writing like a machine. The 1P-LSD reflection has become absurdly long and I still have things in mind that I want to mention. I do feel that everything I write is relevant to the experience, but it has become really long…
I now clearly notice a change in my attitude and sentiment towards writing. I still want to write. However, I feel like suddenly the joy of writing has been sucked out of the action. It was not an ecstatic joy, but rather a subtle satisfaction. As it lasted, I barely noticed it, but now that it is gone, I am really missing it, and I feel like the whole experience has been crippled – going from great to just ok.
2x2 sprayed, I guess, chasing the high. I know that it is futile, but I want to at least try and keep my level. Also, in the past 30-45 minutes I have begun smoking heavily. The insignificance of the cigarettes and my perception of them as a hindrance are no more. Luckily, I am still writing like a machine even when holding a lit stick of shit in my hand (or mouth).
T: +5:40
I just did another 2x2 sprayings. I do not really know why. There is no tangible effect that I am expecting. I guess, I am just chasing the high, even though I believe that this is futile as long as I do not take any more MDAI. What can I say, uppers are prone to make one redose, and when the redosing is as easy as taking the small bottle next to me and pressing on the cap 4 times, there really is not much to stop me from doing it.
My state of mind has not changed much in the past hour. I still feel ok (read better than baseline), but the warm feeling is gone completely. It has been gone for so long now that I am barely missing it anymore. It is just a pleasant memory.
I am keeping up the writing and it continues to be bringing me some joy. However, I feel like I have slowed down a bit (not by much though, I am still churning out a shitload of stuff that is of questionable literary merit), but I feel like now I have to stop to think about my thoughts a bit more often than 2 or 3 hours ago.
Surprisingly, I have been ignoring again the cigarettes in the past half an hour, being fully engulfed in my writing. But now I will light another one…
I have noticed a (new?) side effect: jaw-clenching
T: +6:45
Well, I have basically gone through the whole 3-FPM solution. That’s about 500mg (in retrospect maybe up to 10% more) of 3-FPM over the last six and a half hours, additionally there was the ~200mg MDAI bomb at the beginning. The trip has been enhanced by about 550ml of wine spread out more or less equally over the course of the past nearly 7 hours.
Any feelings of well-being are long gone. I am pretty sure that they were due to MDAI. The 3-FPM, however, is still alive and kicking. I have been writing non-stop (with the exception of taking a piss twice) for the past 6 hours and 30 minutes. The satisfaction I was feeling in the first 3 or so from writing is not present anymore. Now writing simply feels like the “right” thing to do. Not to mention that my mind still craves for a somewhat complex occupation. I would normally be playing pc games, but on 3-FPM I actually feel turned off by them. I simply do not want to play.
I want to share my thoughts.
I will spray whatever is left in the bottle (if anything) and go back to finishing the 1P-LSD trip report. 3844 words were added to that report during the past hours and I still have a couple hundred that I need to type. Additionally, the MDAI report was increased by 1131 words, while the actual notes during the trip are less than 60 words. Ultimately, this live report has now almost reached 2800 words…
You should consider that normally, I cannot be arsed to write anything longer than a couple hundred words, and even then I need to rethink every sentence a bunch of times before even starting to write it down and then a couple of more times before finally setting myself firm on the words I want to use. There is no doubt whatsoever that some or all of today’s drugs (MDAI, 3-FPM, alcohol) changed me profoundly for the duration of the trip.
T: +7:00
There is quite a bit more left of the 3-FPM than I expected. After spraying 4 times in each nostril, my nose simply had no more space to take in any more fluids. I will try to finish it off in a few minutes.
T: +7:45
Turns out I did use up all the remaining 3FPM/saline solution last time. When I went for another spraying only about half a dose came out. So I can say that I effectively consumed give or take around 500mg. My 1P-LSD report is complete and soooo unbelievably long. Looking at the length alone I’d be inclined to say that it is stupidly and pointlessly long, but at the same I did feel that everything I wrote down was important to convey my experience as accurately as possible.
I also searched for my previous substance evaluation and trip report on 3-FPM solo (+ “copious amount of alcohol”). First of all, apparently I had forgotten about some of the aspects of the drug. More interesting is the comparison between my experience back then and the one I had today. I had described the feeling of calmness back then as well. However, with only 3-FPM it was an easygoing, “leave all your trouble behind” kind of calmness, which is very much alike to my state of mind in the past 5 hours. The surprising part about the calmness I experienced last time on this substance is that back then there really was not much material about 3-FPM that I could find online. The dose I took back then (500mg-550mg) was by far the largest dose anybody on the forums I found had ever taken. It seemed like a real possibility that I might be overdosing big time and that there will be some serious health issues. But despite the situation and the very reasonable conclusion that I am toying with my health, I remained calm the whole time.
Back then, I said that the substance can be “somewhat “fun” at stupidly high doses (maybe only if mixed with alc)”.This statement does not do justice to the way I felt during the first three hours of my trip today. I felt genuinely content. When this feeling started to subside I was missing it and noticed a huge difference in the way I felt the first 3 hours and next 5 hours. During both periods the way I felt was constant without any perceived changes in mood and mental well-being. However, the difference in those aspects between the two periods of constancy felt quite significant, far beyond the spectrum of a placebo effect. The first period was marked with a pronounced feeling of being content. I was not euphoric, but just genuinely satisfied with my mental state. An intangible effect that I can only describe as inner warmness was present in that time. During those three hours I did not really pay attention to this warmness and did not recognize it. However, after it disappeared I noticed the almost drastic change I experienced. This leads me to the conclusion that this effect was caused by the MDAI. Thus, I would say that MDAI significantly improved the experience of 3-FPM.
T: +9:20
I do not see any point in continuing the trip report. The effects of MDAI have long disappeared. The 3-FPM is still quite strong, albeit declining. I am still absolutely awake and I assume that I will not be able to fall asleep tonight. The drive to write feels significantly less pronounced now, I would continue, but not because it gives me satisfaction like in the first 3 hours, also, not because I intrinsically really want to write like in the following 5 or so hours, but simply because I still need to occupy my mind with some task. I notice that I am experiencing some difficulties to write in the past hour: I make more mistakes, forget to write words leading to sentences with missing key words, and go about writing much slower now. Furthermore, anything I wrote in the past hour has generally felt less important, badly worded, or just plain insignificant. The mental energy I mentioned several times a few hours ago seems to be more or less drained by now. I will redirect my focus onto formatting the 3 trip reports I’ve done so far, add an introduction and add a bullet point overview to each one them, so people who do not feel like reading a wall of text can still gain some information out of my experience.
Finally, I want to quickly run through my current condition 9 hours and 40 minutes after the start and 2 hours and 40 minutes since the last dose of 3-FPM:
- Extremely awake, sleep seems impossible
- Concentration has declined a lot, but still way above baseline. At the beginning, I was able to focus on the task at hand (writing) and be completely engulfed by it. In contrast to before I feel outright slow and distracted now. However, I am still fully able to continue.
- My last meal was exactly 10 hours ago. I do not feel the slightest bit hungry yet.
- I forgot to drink any water for the past 10 hours. I regularly took sips of my wine as long as there was any, but that was only for the effects of alcohol. Apparently, thirst does not exist either with high enough doses of 3-FPM
- The physical side effects have changed throughout the trip, but have remained mostly unnoticeable. The significantly increased heart-beat mentioned a long time ago, lasted only about 20 minutes. The dizziness I felt lasted a bit over an hour and is long gone. The jaw-clenching that appeared fairly late has persisted ever since, but is fairly mild and only occasional. I believe that there has been some vasoconstriction during almost the whole experience; however, it also seems to have been mild the whole time. Rare, very mild headaches noticed. No other side-effects observed.
- The drive to do stuff that was bordering on passion and was quite pronounced for about 7 hours, is currently much weaker. I still feel a need to do something highly engaging, though. This need to be productive actually still feels nice, albeit much less so than before.
- I still have no interest in any mind-numbing activities, which I normally spend a lot of time on. Playing pc games or watching a TV series currently seem rather annoying than fun.
- I do not feel any effects that I would attribute to the MDAI or the alcohol. I feel very sober.
- I would describe my state of mind as neutral. There certainly is not any negative touch there. I would say that that there is an ever so small positive touch deriving from some combination of the absolute wakefulness, the remains of the mental energy, the drive to be productive and the inner calmness that still persists. However, this “positive” side is so weak that I think eating a piece of chocolate on a normal day puts me in a similarly positive mental state.
- I feel quite cold now, but I believe that this can be fully attributed to the balcony door that has been open for over 10 hours now and the outside temperature that has already plummeted to 13C°. For some reason the cold does not seem to bother me. I would rather keep the balcony door open so I can continue to smoke on my desk. Also, I do not see any reason to get up and get dressed a bit warmer.
T: +11:30
I did not intend to report anymore on this trip, but I just wanted to note that one of the most prominent effects of 3-FPM seems to be expiring on a fast and steady pace. The urge to write has declined so much in the past hour that I cannot really classify it as an urge anymore. Now it is simply an option. Writing is still much easier to me at this very moment than it is when I am completely sober, but I do not need to do it anymore. For over 10 hours it was a necessary outlet for my mental energy but now I actually have to put some effort into it, albeit very, very little. Right now I prefer to read what I have written so far rather than expand on it. Everything else is pretty much the same as listed in the bullet points in the previous update. The only other difference is that I finally put on a pullover.
I have been awake for 22 hours so far and I only slept 3 hours last night, but I am still very much awake and sleeping still seems impossible (4 hours 30 minutes since the last of the 3-FPM). It is obvious that I will not be sleeping tonight, and going to work severely sleep deprived. Although, I perceive myself to be mentally awake and fully capable of utilizing my mind to its full extent, I seem to notice that I am not at 100% anymore. I feel like my reactions are very slow. I would not want to drive today even though I would say that I still can without any major problems (I may be overestimating myself here). Focusing on a single task and executing it still feels much easier than it normally does. However, switching tasks takes quite a bit of time. I feel like it would be very challenging for me to hold a conversation today. I imagine that I would need a few seconds to process the words of the other person, then a few more to switch my mind onto the topic of conversation, and then some more to muster any response.
I cannot sleep, I do not want to sleep, and my mind seems to be convinced that it is still working more efficiently than normally. However, I start to get the impression that my mind is mistaken.
Conclusion:
My expectations prior to the consumption of the MDAI/3-FPM combo have been very low. I recall that I was thoroughly underwhelmed by the 3-FPM last year. Simultaneously, my MDAI experience 2 days ago seemed to confirm an actual effect of the substance, but it was so subtle that I could not imagine any serious interaction with the overall fairly disappointing upper.
Looking back at the experience, my expectations seem to have been very inaccurate. There was not even the resemblance of euphoria at any point during the trip, but the persistent satisfaction that lasted for the first 3 hours has been great. I did not really notice the moment when it overcame me. In its typical subtle manner MDAI snuck that pleasant feeling upon me very slowly without me ever realizing it. Not only was I in a continuous state of satisfaction, but being productive (in this case writing) was very rewarding as long as the MDAI lasted. I believe that the alcohol was not a factor in that period. By the end, of the period of pleasant calmness and joyful writing, I had only drunk 250ml of wine. This is a basically a threshold dose for me. Considering that it was spread over 3 hours, I do not think that it impacted the experience in any way.
The pleasantness that I attribute to MDAI arose slowly and unnoticeably. I barely acknowledged it while it lasted, and only became aware of it by the time it started to disappear. Over a period of 30 minutes the baseless satisfaction continuously decreased until it fully disappeared. Despite the fact that the change in my mental state felt so drastic I never even considered redosing on MDAI. On the other hand, 3-FPM was the total opposite, while at the beginning I had to force myself to regularly send some of the solution up my nose, later I just wanted to redose in rather short intervals. As a matter of fact, even 10 hours after the start, and over 3 hours since the last 3-FPM dose, I still kind of want to mix more of the solution and continue with it. I find it quite peculiar that I felt no need to redose on the MDAI despite its expiration leading to a very significant, highly undesirable change in my mental state, while for over 7 hours I had not noticed any change in the 3-FPM’s effects, but still wanted to (and did) redose quite often.
After the first 3 hours, the experience has been basically a “standard” (extremely) high dose 3-FPM “trip”. There is only one aspect, which was pronounced between the 3rd and the 7th hour of the experience, that seems to be in disaccord with my previous consumption of 3-FPM. Although, the rewarding aspect of writing subsided shortly after I felt that the MDAI expired, the productivity and ease of my writing continued for four more hours. Only then did I notice a significant drop-off in both the quality (spelling, forgetting to type words) and the easiness (needed much more time to formulate a sentence, had to look up more words in the dictionary) of my writing. However, I am unsure if this can be attributed to some lingering effects of MDAI. It seems possible that I may have simply imagined this effect or that I may have incorrect memory of how 3-FPM acted on its own the last time I took it alone, which is already over 8 months ago.
In retrospect, I am very satisfied with today’s experience. I started with barely any expectations and they were exceeded by what feels like an order of magnitude. I feel like the MDAI improved the experience significantly. I am not sure how much of a role the alcohol played in any part of the trip, but I cannot imagine it having any meaningful impact in the first three hours or past the eight hour. Maybe around T: +5:00 and T: +6:00 I might have been slightly to moderately buzzed. It is also possible that my perception of the 3rd to the 7th period being far more pleasant than anything afterwards was caused at least partially by the alcohol.
The writing has been a major factor in today’s experience. It was an outlet for thoughts of mine that I really wanted to share and subsequently felt good about doing so. Additionally, in the first three hours writing evoked a very pleasant and rewarding feeling of accomplishment. Later it seemed to be the perfect occupation to harness the mental drive produced by the 3-FPM. Today, I churned well over 11000 words. I am convinced that the main reason is the 3-FPM but cannot help to feel that the MDAI had a significant contribution. I have experienced a similar urge to share my thoughts, which often results in me writing walls of text, previously as well. All uppers have had this effect on me, be it MPH, EPH or 3-FPM. Alcohol has also caused me to write significant portions of text on rare occasions. However, I believe that the longest text I ever wrote before today was still less than 5000 words. Of course, this time I had plenty of material to write about, having tried 3 different RC’s in 4 days. However, the overall increase in output of well beyond 100% compared to my former record seems extraordinary and I am inclined to give MDAI a lot of the credit for that.
Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the combo of MDAI and 3-FPM and am as certain as I can be that the effects I experienced cannot possibly be attributed to a placebo effect or a distorted perception on my side. For me the combination of those two substances felt distinctly different than their own effects. I was thinking about saving the last 200-250mg MDAI for a party or some event that I would expect to enjoy a lot in the hope that the MDAI would make the experience even more pleasant, but now I am seriously considering to use it together with the remaining 450-500mg of 3-FPM in the near future for the exact same trip as today.
Addendum: The Persistence of 3-FPM
T: +32:40
It is 1:50 am. Assuming that my math is correct, it has been just over 25 hours since my last 3-FPM hit. It has also been around 42 hours since I last slept… for three hours, which were preceded of another 16 hours of being awake.
After binging on 3-FPM late into the night I knew that sleep was out of the question. I would have to go to work sleep deprived and would probably crash about the time I arrived there. I had reached those expectations without taking into account the long-lasting lingering effects of 3-FPM I had forgotten about. During the whole day I mildly but persistently felt most of the effects of sleep deprivation – reduced concentration, trouble holding a conversation, clumsiness, etc. – but there were two things missing: the ability to close my eyes for more than 2 seconds and the urge to sleep. Not only was it a breeze to stay alert at work, but I actually felt like I might not be able to sleep yet another night based on my condition around midnight. Now, 2 hours and 4 beers later, I am still uncertain if I will be able to fall asleep tonight. At least I currently feel like going to bed may actually lead to me sleeping.
The two other lingering effects of 3-FPM that accompanied me the day after the binge seem to be subsiding – the complete lack of appetite or thirst. While I managed to force myself to drink a somewhat reasonable amount of water today, I was absolutely unable to eat anything until an hour ago, when hunger finally returned.
I am still certain that 3-FPM and some of its effects are still present, but I will try to sleep now. I hope that this works…
Post trip reflections:
I greatly enjoyed the first 3 or so hours after both substances had kicked in. The MDAI crawled upon me quite subtly. Subsequently, there was no rush and I actually did not fully realize how good I felt until its effects started to wear off. Then I started to miss the warm feeling inside me. I noticed that my attitude of just being generally content for no reason whatsoever faded away over the course of 30 minutes. Writing, while still pleasurable, turned from a rewarding activity to a more mundane task. Do you know those minor feelings of achievement one gets when wrapping up some activity that is beyond the ordinary daily task? Those subtly rewarding feelings one gets after going out for a jog or cleaning up the mess that has piled up at home? Those were the feelings of achievement that I experienced while writing in that 3 hour window – after nearly every sentence I wrote down, I felt that petty, but still ever so pleasant, feeling of achievement. Surprisingly, I did not redose on MDAI even though the experience winded down significantly. In comparison to the 3-FPM that I shot up my nose every 15-30 minutes, MDAI seems to barely be moreish.
To cut it short:
Despite having passed the peak, my experience remained somewhat pleasant for another 4 or so hours. After the first 7-8 hours, there wasn’t much else that I felt other than the inability to sleep and eat that the 3-FPM had granted me (and both of them lasted far too long for my taste).
Overall, I’d say that this was a pleasant experience. It was not mind-shattering or eye-opening or hyper-euphoric or any other extreme adjective one may use to describe a great drug experience. The onset was subtle and the peak was rather moderate. However, the drug combination clearly had a positive effect on me and I had a strange but genuinely joyful time that was very noticeably different from what I would normally perceive as pleasant. As a matter of fact, I liked it so much that I decided to use the last of my MDAI for another such night.
Second experience:
The second time around, I decided to try change things a bit and bombed the 3-FPM as well. I ingested about 250mg of 3-FPM and 300mg of MDAI in rapid succession. While waiting for the effects to hit me, I was working on a bottle of wine (750ml). 7 hours prior to the two bombs, I had taken ~80mg of MXP. I was going to hold on to the 3-FPM/MDAI combo until a day later, but since I barely got any effects from the MXP I decided to push up my schedule.
I started to feel the first effects of 3-FPM/MDAI after about an hour post ingestion. This is what I wrote down during the experience:
T: +1:30
Pc games
T: +1:45
I am feeling great
This gotta be the closest I have ever felt to “King of the World“ when I was on MPH.
T; +2:25
I am feeling great. For some reason I can keep playing pc games this time around. The most striking thing to me is that this time I am fully aware that I feel fucking awesome. It feels great! The only side effect I am able to notice is some fairly strong jaw clenching.
T: +2:40
I cannot believe how great I feel right now for absolutely no reason whatsoever. I am pretty sure this will be a feeling I am going to miss in the weeks (months) to come. On a more rational level I am actually quite glad that my recklessly big order is almost gone now. I am pretty sure that I would not have thrown away any MDAI or 3-FPM left overs and just went for another “trip” with them. That combo just feels great. Subsequently, I can see myself chasing its effects extremely often if I had those substances easily available to me.
T: +3:20
That incredibly great feeling has been subsiding in the past 20 or so minutes. I still feel unexpectedly well, but my mood is not comparable to how it was 30 minutes ago L
T: +3:55
That awesome feeling is gone. Cya MDAI, I will miss you. The 3FPM is still going strong, though.
I am not sure when exactly I finished the bottle of wine, but it was no later than T: +3:30 and quite possibly as early as T: +2:00. This means that I was also fairly drunk for basically the whole peak.
The most prominent things about my second experience with the 3-FPM/MDAI combo are:
- The 2 hour duration of the perceived peak was noticeably shorter than the 3 hours previously.
- The effects and the peak were like a punch to the face in comparison the subtle onset of my first experience.
- I was fully aware that my mental state has changed and it felt much better and more pleasant than the first time.
- There were prominent physical and mental side-effects, which resulted in me not being able to do anything other than to enjoy the “trip”.
As mentioned in my short live report on the second experience, I was feeling really great. The comparison to my MPH experience is the single most important note I made. A few years ago I ended up with some 50 or so 10mg Ritalin pills that I had no use for, so I decided to try and get high on them. Crushing those pills and snorting 30mg of MPH is easily the most awesome feeling I have ever had in my life. For me the rush was mind-blowing. The euphoria that followed was a feeling I never even imagined could possibly exist. The only reason why ever started to experiment with any RC is because I wanted to reach that high again. Thus the feeling that I got from MPH has been my benchmark for the effects of any other substances. My second experience with 3-FPM/MDAI did not deliver the rush that snorting MPH did. However, the euphoria was similarly intense even though it had a distinctively different shade: MPH made me great; it made me feel like “the king of the world”; 3-FPM/MDAI made the world great and allowed me to enjoy it in way that is not possible when sober.
As previously mentioned, my second 3-FPM/MDAI experience included noticeable physical side-effects unlike the first one. They did not bother me at all during the peak, but as soon as it passed, I suddenly became very much aware how absolutely shitty I felt…
Serotonin toxicity:
About 4 hours after I took the 2 bombs all pleasant effects were gone and I realized that I feel like complete and utter shit. Now, I have no special medical knowledge and I did not go to see a doctor, but I am as certain that I had given myself serotonin poisoning as somebody in my position can be. I had a fairly strong headache and my heart was racing. I was really nauseous. I was shivering but sweating like a pig at the same time. While my extremities felt cold periodically, my head felt like it was on fire. I was feeling so shitty that I simply could not remain sitting in front of my pc anymore.
For a moment or two, I was contemplating going to the hospital, but for some reason I decided to “ride it out” and stay at home. I figured that I should go to sleep to evade the brunt of the side-effects… Well, this proved to be an impossible task. Falling asleep is rather difficult when you feel like shit. One does not feel very comfortable when being completely wet from all the sweating or having a major headache. But these thing are negligible in comparison to the usual effects of 250mg of 3-FPM. Falling asleep only 4 hours after ingestion is absolutely impossible. After 30 minutes of lying in bed I realized the futility of my attempt. I went on to watch some series for about 2 hours while being tormented by my physical condition. Only then was I able to fall asleep.
I slept for about 7 hours. I still did not feel good, but the side-effects had subsided significantly. About 24 hours after the stupid 3-FPM/MDAI combo, I was feeling alright again.
TL;DR
The 3-FPM/MDAI combo did deliver some great effects. Between my two experiences, the peak ranged from quite good to really great. However, I will not be taking this combo ever again. The chance of killing oneself doing this just seems too high. Even without it, I certainly do not want to experience those nasty physical side-effects again.
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