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hi there

It's been 4 months since i'm living a nightmare. on 21 june i had some friends invited at my place to have some fun trying this new stuff 2CEE and smoking some hash. I've never had till then any experience with psihidelics and i thought it will just give me some visuals, we'll have some fun and the effects will go. Problem was that i was really scared and paranoid before taking the drug because my mom caught me 2 weeks ago smoking weed in my room and i was really panicked that she might come by surprise at any time. So i was not in a good mood before taking the pill ( 27 mg) and probably that's why i couldn't enjoy it . During the trip i had no visual because i was too scared and i was moving from one room to another not finding the perfect spot to just clear my mind from this obsessive thought. Besides that, i was also scared by a possible phone from my gf who is against drugs. For like 3 or 4 hours i had my phone disconnected but i could not relax and forget about possible phone calls so i turn on my cell and i freaked out seeing a message from my gf that she was looking for me and saying that she is coming over to my place to see what's going on. when she came over to my place i started to act like i was having a bad trip despite i was alright and i kept telling her that somehow i can't think, like half my brain was frozen(i lied to her telling that i took a pill to study harder and it's having bad side effects). No visual effects but and after she left i felt like not finding my character anymore, like losing myself among all those states(the real me, the one who was acting and the one on drug). I didn't sleep well that night and next day when i went to college something odd happened. While my classmates were talking (i was having an exam) and joking, i was practically so blocked i didn't know what to say and start thinking how these people can find these words and how do they manage to control their thoughts. After this day i could not sleep 8 nights and then got into some kind of depression that i don't know how to socialize anymore, what to speak and when to do it even with my friends. I usually don't say anything just stay and watch what's going on and wait to become what i used to be. Does anybody know how can i get out of this state or if i am going to be again like i used to, cause i don't find the answer. Do you know any other cases and if you know how did they manage to escape. I asked for professional help also but all that medication has no god damn effect. Please help me
 
Did you tell the health professional you consulted that this all happened after you'd been tripping on a research chemical?

It's not unknown for people to experience what you have after taking acid, so it wouldn't be surprising if it's a risk with the RC psychedelics.

By definition, RCs are drugs which haven't been extensively trialled in humans so their medium to long-term effects are unknown. Your doctor is pretty much stuck with treating whatever symptoms you report at this point because there's no solid data on exactly what neurological changes the drug (and you can't be sure what it was) you took causes and whether they're temporary or long term.
 
yes i did tell them that after taking this drug i felt this, but they don't know much about this sort of drugs and think it's the depression causing me this lack of socialization...how can i explain how i fell if even i can't explain myself why i can't just go with the flow and start talking and not keep having this mental meltdown
 
Sounds like hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, or some variant of it. The wiki article describes it being a persistent sensory "burn in", but it can actually be the persistence of any mental state that is brought on by psychedelics.

For example, persistence of a dissociative state after a heavy ketamine/DXM trip.

I'd try and get a referral to a good psychiatrist who is knowledgeable about this, or is willing to read/educate themselves in order to help you.

Be aware that perscribed medications like SSRIs might take up to 6 weeks before they start helping you.

The most important things you can do are:
1. Stop all drug use immediately! Even "harmless" things like smoking pot only make it get worse.

2. Seriously consider never doing psychedelics again. The more you do, the more likely this is to happen again, get worse, or become permanent.

3. Sleep deprivation makes the state worse. Try and get 8 hours of sleep a day. If you can't sleep, take 5HTP, melatonin, etc, or ask your doctor for an Rx sleep aid.

I hope you feel better soon!
 
A consultation with a neurologist might also be in order to establish a baseline of your current neurological and cognitive functioning.
 
raybeez said:
Sounds like hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, or some variant of it. The wiki article describes it being a persistent sensory "burn in", but it can actually be the persistence of any mental state that is brought on by psychedelics.

For example, persistence of a dissociative state after a heavy ketamine/DXM trip.

I'd try and get a referral to a good psychiatrist who is knowledgeable about this, or is willing to read/educate themselves in order to help you.

Be aware that perscribed medications like SSRIs might take up to 6 weeks before they start helping you.

The most important things you can do are:
1. Stop all drug use immediately! Even "harmless" things like smoking pot only make it get worse.

2. Seriously consider never doing psychedelics again. The more you do, the more likely this is to happen again, get worse, or become permanent.

3. Sleep deprivation makes the state worse. Try and get 8 hours of sleep a day. If you can't sleep, take 5HTP, melatonin, etc, or ask your doctor for an Rx sleep aid.

I hope you feel better soon!
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it is so true. you need to give your body a clean healing. smoking weed put me into a full blown panic attack after a bowl when i abused adderall 5 months ago.

it's lasted four months for you because you've been doing the same thing presumably. a SSRI would definitely help in your case imo. i wouldn't bother explaining 2ci to a physician tbh. what you're suffering is common and is easily fixed by just explaining your symptoms, but you will need professional help at this point

also consider possible anxiety medicine. this makes dealing with the fact you know you're not your usual self so much easier. i know how it is to feel like you've lost yourself but you will be okay :)
 
Benzos appear to be the treatment of choice for this disorder, but there's no reliable data available about the % of people in which perception returns to totally normal.

It's currently being researched so you might want to get your doctor to contact the researchers.
 
can everyone stop scaring this guy? no offense i understand the risk that comes with rcs as i've taken 2ci myself but there is no need to bring up the long term effect card
 
Seconded, this is a bit much. He sounds like an anxious guy who took a large dose of a powerful psychedelic in a remarkably poor setting - and now he's attributing his current anxieties to this drug experience, which just sets off a spiral of woe.

To OP: 2C-E is not known to cause long-term physical toxicity, but it is a powerful psychedelic that must be respected. You took a huge dose in a terrible setting with zero research - and are surprised it turned out poorly? Talk to a professional about your anxiety and dealing with trauma, but please realize that this is likely a pre-existing condition that you are now escalating and attributing to a single event as a coping mechanism. You are trying to find a "magic bullet", some drug that will solve this, and I don't think that's the correct approach - that's what got you into this state.
 
i have a close friend who had a been through a large psychedelic phase with acid and 2ce regularing doing high doses of both.
She suffered similair effects for months and had an overwhelming time with the anxiety and insomnia she got after her nightmare trip on 2ce. it has since been 7 months since her bad trip and she is doing significantly better which was amazing because of the seriousness of her side effects. all of her friends have noticed the crazy shit that went down after and are so happy at where she is 7 months later.

i dont know much else about long term 2ce side effects, so you should seek professional help. But try and chill(obviously a HARD fucking task) dont take any Drugs weed is horrible in these situations and get some sleep.
 
molly897 said:
can everyone stop scaring this guy? no offense i understand the risk that comes with rcs as i've taken 2ci myself but there is no need to bring up the long term effect card
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^^ It's not at all specific to 2C-X drugs (RCs). Anything with a psychedelic component can do this, even marijuana. Especially if the person has any sort of underlying psychiatric illness (from depression/anxiety to schitzophrenia), psychedelic drugs have the tendency to bring out the illness in full force.

I persistent depersonalization/anxiety/dissociated feelings for 3 months after a really bad/anxious mushroom trip. I couldn't smoke weed for a good year after without having it all come back again. Similarly I got persistent tactile hallucinations after a heavy 2C-I bender.
 
You'll be fine, don't worry, i had this years ago, very similar, after abusing acid and 2c's. After a few weeks/2 months or so I was fine. Just keep acting normal and trying to be normal and you will become normal.
 
raybeez said:
^^ It's not at all specific to 2C-X drugs (RCs). Anything with a psychedelic component can do this, even marijuana. Especially if the person has any sort of underlying psychiatric illness (from depression/anxiety to schitzophrenia), psychedelic drugs have the tendency to bring out the illness in full force.

I persistent depersonalization/anxiety/dissociated feelings for 3 months after a really bad/anxious mushroom trip. I couldn't smoke weed for a good year after without having it all come back again. Similarly I got persistent tactile hallucinations after a heavy 2C-I bender.
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ah, didn't know that. i swore off anything psychedelic because i would always have bad trips and scare the fuck out of myself. i definitely felt myself losing touch with reality after i tripped too many times within a small time frame. and i have been diagnosed with 5 disorders since. so you are right sir :)
 
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