Cocaine 1st Time Experience, Full of Anxiety?

[blight12]

That is very weird, because for all three times, I did not xp the rush/peak shortly after railing. every time it would be after the drip, which is approx 5-10 min after a line. Any cut fits this speculation? All the others who were more experienced w cocaine describe the same thing, doesnt hit u in the face as soon as u take a line.

I think the issue here is that the rush and peak are different things. You are accurate to my experience how you described the rush. Not sure about peak, never really understood the concept but the peak will be at some point you dont notice it since you are busy with more interesting things and therefore hopefully its doing its job i guess.

 

[pharma-sutra]

I think the issue here is that the rush and peak are different things. You are accurate to my experience how you described the rush. Not sure about peak, never really understood the concept but the peak will be at some point you dont notice it since you are busy with more interesting things and therefore hopefully its doing its job i guess.

hm I think I am starting to understand the situation now, the coke high is very different from other stims, in which they have very distinct stages: onset, comeup, peak, plateau, comedown and/or crash.
But for blow, i think it just starts off with onset/drip, then quickly ushers into a rush (can actually be calming and smooth, which I might have mistaken for being the comeup) and then after the intial rush you are left with some sort of plateau after 30-40 min into it after a line which persists until you comedown and end of the experience. I think the anxiety/paranoia kicks in during that time period (at least for me) because thats when you're mostly experiencing the stimulation but not really much euphoria? And your right, once you actually start doing something that you actually enjoy, like going for a drive and a smoke, you barely notice the high, thus less anxiety. And for me, the anxiety fades away with the comedown.
Does this sound about right? And are your pupils supposed to dilate when doing snow? or only happens on high dosages..

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Pupil dilation varies from person to person and depending on dose. I never really noticed it that much, at least not like the saucer pupils MDMA gives people.

Yeah it's hard to know exactly how to define the "peak" and different people may define it differently. Some people may call the "rush" the peak, and the "rush" (if you perceive one) happens quickly, and some users may define the peak as the most euphoric or pleasant part of the experience, the time they are experiencing the most desirable effects as opposed to the most unwanted side effects, or total objective effects. Medical literature may variously define the peak as the peak blood levels, the peak objective effects, or the peak subjective effects, but peak blood levels may not correlate to peak effects. And of course it depends which effects are being measured. For me I would consider the peak to generally occur/start within 10-15 min, but how you described it above seems to fit with my experience, there is not a well-defined peak, it's more of a plateau and that peak stimulation/anxiety may occur at a different time than peak euphoria/pleasantness. It's also hard to know for sure though, because it's been a while since I've done any and it seemed to vary, plus I wasn't exactly checking my watch. I also decided I don't really like cocaine, the negative after effects and cravings were not worth the positives.

The effects of any drug vary from person to person. It depends on many factors including you metabolism, how much you take, whether or not you're used to taking it, your mood and your environment, and the quality and purity of the drug.

One study found that the development of sensitization to the effects of cocaine occurs with repeated intermittent usage, so that may play a role in when the peak occurs.

In one study of cocaine users, the average time taken to reach peak subjective effects was 14 min.

The Merck Manual lists the onset as about 3 to 5 min, peak effect at 20 to 30 min, and duration of about 45 to 90 min.

Another source lists an onset of 2 min, peak at 15 min, and a duration of less than 60 min.

And yet another study lists an onset of 1-3 min, peak at 10 min and duration of 20-60 min. They also said cocaine blood concentrations lasted longer than effects.

And another study found that the effects were not directly correlated with the blood levels, but that following intranasal administration of 106 mg of cocaine, peak blood concentrations of cocaine averaged at around 30 minutes.

So even all the sources/studies can't agree and are measuring different things.

TL;DR I guess it's not that weird to consider the peak to be at 40 min. It probably varies greatly from person to person, depends on how you define it, and may depend on how many times you've done coke before. I really don't think there was anything that unusual about your experience. I would also advise not doing coke of course

 

[synchrojet]

Wow. Yet another thread wherein almost every poster submits that the euphoria from coke is mediocre at best and very short lived, and paranoia is normal. Is it just me, or does this sound like crappy coke? I mean, I personally find the euphoria from good quality coke to be sensational, and so long as doses are kept reasonable, paranoia and anxiety are non-existent. If anything, it reduces stress. Anyone else feel the same way or am I just a that rare person who loves the coke high?

 

[pharma-sutra]

Pupil dilation varies from person to person and depending on dose. I never really noticed it that much, at least not like the saucer pupils MDMA gives people.

Yeah it's hard to know exactly how to define the "peak" and different people may define it differently. Some people may call the "rush" the peak, and the "rush" (if you perceive one) happens quickly, and some users may define the peak as the most euphoric or pleasant part of the experience, the time they are experiencing the most desirable effects as opposed to the most unwanted side effects, or total objective effects. Medical literature may variously define the peak as the peak blood levels, the peak objective effects, or the peak subjective effects, but peak blood levels may not correlate to peak effects. And of course it depends which effects are being measured. For me I would consider the peak to generally occur/start within 10-15 min, but how you described it above seems to fit with my experience, there is not a well-defined peak, it's more of a plateau and that peak stimulation/anxiety may occur at a different time than peak euphoria/pleasantness. It's also hard to know for sure though, because it's been a while since I've done any and it seemed to vary, plus I wasn't exactly checking my watch. I also decided I don't really like cocaine, the negative after effects and cravings were not worth the positives.

The effects of any drug vary from person to person. It depends on many factors including you metabolism, how much you take, whether or not you're used to taking it, your mood and your environment, and the quality and purity of the drug.

One study found that the development of sensitization to the effects of cocaine occurs with repeated intermittent usage, so that may play a role in when the peak occurs.

In one study of cocaine users, the average time taken to reach peak subjective effects was 14 min.

The Merck Manual lists the onset as about 3 to 5 min, peak effect at 20 to 30 min, and duration of about 45 to 90 min.

Another source lists an onset of 2 min, peak at 15 min, and a duration of less than 60 min.

And yet another study lists an onset of 1-3 min, peak at 10 min and duration of 20-60 min. They also said cocaine blood concentrations lasted longer than effects.

And another study found that the effects were not directly correlated with the blood levels, but that following intranasal administration of 106 mg of cocaine, peak blood concentrations of cocaine averaged at around 30 minutes.

So even all the sources/studies can't agree and are measuring different things.

TL;DR I guess it's not that weird to consider the peak to be at 40 min. It probably varies greatly from person to person, depends on how you define it, and may depend on how many times you've done coke before. I really don't think there was anything that unusual about your experience. I would also advise not doing coke of course

Hey swimmingdancer, thanks for the clarification and input. I think then this might've been actually some pretty quality stuff. Just not my type of drug. It felt very similar to ritalin/mph, and eph, but definitely with a much more recreational value and less anxiety, but it does for sure have that aspect to it. And instead of being focused, it makes you more scatterbrained.

Wow. Yet another thread wherein almost every poster submits that the euphoria from coke is mediocre at best and very short lived, and paranoia is normal. Is it just me, or does this sound like crappy coke? I mean, I personally find the euphoria from good quality coke to be sensational, and so long as doses are kept reasonable, paranoia and anxiety are non-existent. If anything, it reduces stress. Anyone else feel the same way or am I just a that rare person who loves the coke high?

Damn, I envy you...I really wanted to xp that sensational euphoria and the ego boost that everyone seem to boast about the drug. Maybe I'll try it only when I have been out drinking.

 

[Hiltoniano]

Yea I only experience true euphoria from coke when mixed with a moderate amount of alcohol. My days of sniffing line after line in between sex and drinking games are now over though, not because Im too old for them but because that life is not sustainable for any reasonable amount of time, not to mention the neuro/cardiotoxicity.

 

[pharma-sutra]

Yea I only experience true euphoria from coke when mixed with a moderate amount of alcohol. My days of sniffing after line in between sex and drinking games are now over though, not because Im too old for them but because that life is not sustainable for any reasonable amount of time, not to mention the neuro/cardiotoxicity.

how neuro/cardiotoxic is coke compared to meph/mcat? with all due honesty, i very much prefer railing meph, that euphoria and rush is just exceptional. However, I much prefer the oral route, bombing it makes a very short-lived rush, but for rest of the duration (approx. 3-4 hours) feels exactly like good mandy but with more of a speedy edge. Anyways, insufflating meph has more more positives that outweigh the negatives imho, as opposed to coke.

On a second note, which is a little off topic, does the post-ban meph have little to no fishy-stench as opposed to preban? I railed some meph after a couple days from my 1st coke experience (which was advertised as mdxx) but to my knowledge it felt very "cokey" and definitely fiendy, so I concluded it wasn't mandy. If it was pure mdma, a line of 100mg would have me fucking floored, eyes all rolled to the back of my head, and if alcohol was in the mix, i would start feeling like i was constantly in-and-out of matrix. My craziest experiences on stims were mdma

 

[blight12]

^ Its not really fair at all to compare meph which is works similar to mdma to other stims like coke or meth. Its a very different type of drug and they have different qualities for different desired experiences. I mean of course mdma/meph is a better experience then coke or meth but can you abuse it "safely" far more often and use it for functional or other purposes that wont benefit from overly deep or emotional influences? No way. As pure dopamine only stims go, meth ass rapes everything else by far.

 

[Jabberwocky]

regarding cocaine it's quite a strange one and my last experience is why i will never use it again.

i think what i had got was relatively pure cocaine, took a tiny line of it, and experienced an absolutely horrifying and terrific panic attack. cocaine can induce anxiety even in the most experienced stimulant and cocaine users.

 

[pharma-sutra]

ahaha ok guys, honestly, a little booze can create quite a synergy. first time, blowing snow as is, fucking produces such an uncomfortable high and stimulation, the pleasant part only lasts about 15 min. but after doing my last bit of some of this dandy stuff, holy shit, mind-blown. I can now officially attest to that awesome bliss and fuckin fantastic ego boost. dropped an alprazolem/xanax 1mg xr 5 hrs before experince and 2mg valium/diazepam same time. im always prone to stim anxiety, even from just medium dosage of caffeine. but I realised, riding on coke, you gota at least have a couple beers before you take a line, then do booster bumps throughout every hr or so, while you keep on drinking ofcourse.
officially finished a six pack and into 300 mg in total and i gota say, this is fucking aweomse high, no social anxiety, no sexual paranoia, no one can fuck with me kinda feeling. loves it :D

 

[Swimmingdancer]

You do know that mixing cocaine and alcohol is more dangerous and more addictive than one or the other on it's own? And throwing benzos in there is not a good idea either. I hope you aren't feeling like shit after those benzos and alcohol wear off.

 

[synchrojet]

@ pharma-sutra:

One phrase my coke using friends and I utilize when discussing this issue is, "If you are wondering if you are high on coke, you're not." The point being obvious - namely, that quality cocaine is UNMISTAKABLE. You know it instantly the same way you know when you are coming up on a good clean hit of MDMA. Its a very unique thing, and is not, in my opinion, very subjective insofar as the presence of euphoria. Coke is euphoric. Period. Every time. Period. Said euphoria can be cancelled with aggressive and irresponsible dosing, whereupon one might indeed feel a bit spun. But here's two pretty good identifiers: First, with regard to the first line of the night...if a line this size ++++++ doesn't produce instant euphoria, forget it, you have something else. Second, if you suspect you would probably feel better on "cleaner coke", forget it, you have something else. When you get it you'll know right away and the need for endless analysis of the high will vanish amidst the grins and sexual advances....

 

[pharma-sutra]

@ pharma-sutra:

One phrase my coke using friends and I utilize when discussing this issue is, "If you are wondering if you are high on coke, you're not." The point being obvious - namely, that quality cocaine is UNMISTAKABLE. You know it instantly the same way you know when you are coming up on a good clean hit of MDMA. Its a very unique thing, and is not, in my opinion, very subjective insofar as the presence of euphoria. Coke is euphoric. Period. Every time. Period. Said euphoria can be cancelled with aggressive and irresponsible dosing, whereupon one might indeed feel a bit spun. But here's two pretty good identifiers: First, with regard to the first line of the night...if a line this size ++++++ doesn't produce instant euphoria, forget it, you have something else. Second, if you suspect you would probably feel better on "cleaner coke", forget it, you have something else. When you get it you'll know right away and the need for endless analysis of the high will vanish amidst the grins and sexual advances....

Oh synchrojet, you must've read my question wrong. I had never touched this stuff in my life. Its pretty much like every drug out there, the first time you do it, you don't really think you are high, until when the experience is over and you think back.."holy shit i was fucking high" kind of thing. As for coke, its very much like that, and the I'm prone to anxiety no matter what, even when I am sober I have anxiety attacks and social anxiety, thus just doing pure stims by itself can exacerbate it.

You do know that mixing cocaine and alcohol is more dangerous and more addictive than one or the other on it's own? And throwing benzos in there is not a good idea either. I hope you aren't feeling like shit after those benzos and alcohol wear off.

I can definitely see the addictive potential to this combo, it was so god damn blissful. direct eye contacts, smiles all around, was even talking to randoms on the street. Surprisingly, I didn't have any huge "hangover" when the alcohol and benzos wore off. My experience lasted around 6-7 hours, in a sequence of 100mg every hour or so after drinking 3 beers, ending with the last line around 5th hour mark. And I gota say, when everything wore off (by the 8th hr), including the coke, I was able to eat a fuckload of food, smoke a joint, and pass out immediately. And the next day, I woke up feeling just fine.

OH, and did not suffer from urinary retention, which is an A+ for me!