Paranoidx211
Bluelighter
IS THAT A STRONG ENOUGH DOSE?
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152MG MDMA
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TheGamer
Bluelighter
According to my sources, the average dose at which the average person will feel the full effects of MDMA is 120mg
Mr. Sticky
Bluelighter
...and the average pill these days contains somewhere between 65 and 90 mg. If you are making pills at 152 mg, then you are now my god.
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Paranoidx211
Bluelighter
i wish i knew how to make pills. just got my hands on some snoopies white with score on back. contains 152mg of mdma thats hwy i asked 
S
Sim Syma
Guest
152 mg of MDMA? I wish I had some of those. That stuff will take your head of and put it on a shelf somewhere far-far away for a couple of days
Jase
Bluelight Crew
Not if its real clean MDMA
Jase.
Jase.
Paranoidx211 -
you didn't spot those from www.eve-rave.ch did you? I notice that the Snoopy test there was exactly 152mg MDMA. If someone is claiming that they are selling you the same ones or from the same batch be suspicious. When aj from ez-test.com last talked to the guy in an Amsterdam lab he had tested eight different Snoopy pills so it could just be advertising. That info is available to anyone who wants to sell their pills built on a good reference from the 'net.
you didn't spot those from www.eve-rave.ch did you? I notice that the Snoopy test there was exactly 152mg MDMA. If someone is claiming that they are selling you the same ones or from the same batch be suspicious. When aj from ez-test.com last talked to the guy in an Amsterdam lab he had tested eight different Snoopy pills so it could just be advertising. That info is available to anyone who wants to sell their pills built on a good reference from the 'net.
johnboy
Bluelight Crew
ah this is veering off topic so i might close it...
If any major drug traffickers are reading this, I think there may be a market in the UK for 220mg MDMA pills. I'll ask around to see if anyone might be interested and get back to you. btw, this may sound like a daft question but why would you take 2 of them if they have 220mg? 150mg is enough to fuck up most people for five hours. Hmmmm......either enjoy your hospital visit or get them retested I'd say.
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aj
Bluelighter
Let's get back to the topic.
Your dealer apparently hasn't got a clue.
As someone stated above already, Snoopy's are available from 30 to 180 mg's.
They are also available in mda, mdea and nothing's (no xtc like substance)
Most pills are imitated right away, many pills get produced by the same guy with different doses. Many pills get produced by a different guy with the same stamp.
Now you also know why it is not a good idea to publish laboratory test results if they are not complete.
Just publishing one or two Snoopy's apparently leaves some of us with the idea that they are all the same ??
Same with the danceSafe test results, the results published on their site are not complete.
There are many pills around with the same characteristics (logo, size etc) that contain something else from what they state on their site.
Did it ever occur to anyone that publishing these results might actually help the copycats....
Interesting topic for discussion ??
aj
Your dealer apparently hasn't got a clue.
As someone stated above already, Snoopy's are available from 30 to 180 mg's.
They are also available in mda, mdea and nothing's (no xtc like substance)
Most pills are imitated right away, many pills get produced by the same guy with different doses. Many pills get produced by a different guy with the same stamp.
Now you also know why it is not a good idea to publish laboratory test results if they are not complete.
Just publishing one or two Snoopy's apparently leaves some of us with the idea that they are all the same ??
Same with the danceSafe test results, the results published on their site are not complete.
There are many pills around with the same characteristics (logo, size etc) that contain something else from what they state on their site.
Did it ever occur to anyone that publishing these results might actually help the copycats....
Interesting topic for discussion ??
aj
OK, I'll take you up on that aj. I'm going to assume here that you know A LOT more than me on this subject because of Amsterdam's reputation for variety and quality of pills and the more relaxed attitude towards information gathering (and therefore sharing) on pill contents.
Some questions:
1)How can you possibly know if you have a complete list of all the possible Snoopy pills in existance? Because manufacture is unregulated no-one has any idea how many labs exist or how many similar pill stamps are used at the different labs. If you only published results once you were sure you had seen ALL the Snoopy pills how could you possibly know that there wasn't another variation being pressed somewhere?
2)Surely people who read this board and others like it wouldn't be foolish enough to believe that there would be only one or two copycats of popular pill stamps?
Well, OK then, some of them MIGHT be, but most of us should know better. In the UK generally the pill reports would suggest that there aren't usually a lot of identical looking pills with very different contents in any given area. The recent batches of blue/green tulips, stardusts, fish/sharks, 007s all got similar reports for similar looking pills from different parts of the country. I understand that this may well be different in the Netherlands of course.
3)Do you not think that if a pill report includes ALL the relevant information ie date, place, size, detailed description of logo and scoring on the back etc that you can be resonably certain that it will be the same as a pill which has the same description in the same area around the same time?
I am NOT advocating dropping pills without testing them here, I know I don't any more, merely saying that I can't think of any examples of two very similar pills giving different results when bought in the same area within a week or two of each other.
4)I can certainly see how publishing good test results will give the copycats ideas but not the bad ones. Unfortunately if you only publish the bad pill test results if someone offers you a good one you will know nothing about their reputation and if you do not have your test kit with you then you have to pass it up or take a risk when an accurate report could have swayed you. If you take away the reports then surely the users, not the manufacturers have more to lose?
What do you think?
Some questions:
1)How can you possibly know if you have a complete list of all the possible Snoopy pills in existance? Because manufacture is unregulated no-one has any idea how many labs exist or how many similar pill stamps are used at the different labs. If you only published results once you were sure you had seen ALL the Snoopy pills how could you possibly know that there wasn't another variation being pressed somewhere?
2)Surely people who read this board and others like it wouldn't be foolish enough to believe that there would be only one or two copycats of popular pill stamps?
Well, OK then, some of them MIGHT be, but most of us should know better. In the UK generally the pill reports would suggest that there aren't usually a lot of identical looking pills with very different contents in any given area. The recent batches of blue/green tulips, stardusts, fish/sharks, 007s all got similar reports for similar looking pills from different parts of the country. I understand that this may well be different in the Netherlands of course.
3)Do you not think that if a pill report includes ALL the relevant information ie date, place, size, detailed description of logo and scoring on the back etc that you can be resonably certain that it will be the same as a pill which has the same description in the same area around the same time?
I am NOT advocating dropping pills without testing them here, I know I don't any more, merely saying that I can't think of any examples of two very similar pills giving different results when bought in the same area within a week or two of each other.
4)I can certainly see how publishing good test results will give the copycats ideas but not the bad ones. Unfortunately if you only publish the bad pill test results if someone offers you a good one you will know nothing about their reputation and if you do not have your test kit with you then you have to pass it up or take a risk when an accurate report could have swayed you. If you take away the reports then surely the users, not the manufacturers have more to lose?
What do you think?
johnboy
Bluelight Crew
paddyboy: first up, what are you on tonight? you've written about 14,000 words in various forums, including mine, tonight
slow down!!
NEVER assume anything about what the people who read stuff here think.... sure you and me and all sorts of other regs have worked a whole lot out but the ignorance of the average punter will scare you.
i am seriously answering peoples questions like "all the red pills are the ones with e in them arent they?" and "the yellow flecks in my pill are heroin right?" extreme examples but all too common. even from some regs i'll still get these scary flashes of ignorance, because most people dont read everything.
people believe in trademarks. i guess there is some throw back to the idea that a brand name means something. unfortunately in the world of ecstacy some people forget this, but we should always remember that even the very original batch of mitzubishis back in 1993 were bootlegs because i can pretty much guarentee that they weren't produce by the mizubishi zaibatsu of japan...
NEVER assume anything about what the people who read stuff here think.... sure you and me and all sorts of other regs have worked a whole lot out but the ignorance of the average punter will scare you.
i am seriously answering peoples questions like "all the red pills are the ones with e in them arent they?" and "the yellow flecks in my pill are heroin right?" extreme examples but all too common. even from some regs i'll still get these scary flashes of ignorance, because most people dont read everything.
people believe in trademarks. i guess there is some throw back to the idea that a brand name means something. unfortunately in the world of ecstacy some people forget this, but we should always remember that even the very original batch of mitzubishis back in 1993 were bootlegs because i can pretty much guarentee that they weren't produce by the mizubishi zaibatsu of japan...
D'ya know, I ain't had nuffin' mate! Straight up, that's the God's honest (and there's not many Saturday nights I can say that, but that's two in a row). Tell you what, it was a good night in - I had Homelands on the radio, Human Traffic and a sympathetic TV documentary about clubs and drugs on the telly and I found out I'll be eligible to emigrate to Australia when I get me arse into gear later on this year.
Sadly my body clock is tuned into being awake most of the weekend so I've still only had the usual couple of hours kip but it's been worth it. Hope you haven't read it all, my quality control fades after 7am.
I knew as soon as I'd written that bit in my last post that it was bobbins but I didn't wan't to pigeonhole people as naive/gullible/thick. Thanks for taking care of that for me.
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Sadly my body clock is tuned into being awake most of the weekend so I've still only had the usual couple of hours kip but it's been worth it. Hope you haven't read it all, my quality control fades after 7am.
I knew as soon as I'd written that bit in my last post that it was bobbins but I didn't wan't to pigeonhole people as naive/gullible/thick. Thanks for taking care of that for me.
[This message has been edited by paddyboy (edited 28 May 2000).]
If I make something, who's to say I didn't send a specially marke tab containing a high dose to that swiss sight? Meanwhile, the remaining are in an average dose range of 85mg, but I specifically sent a large dose to the testing place. You don't know if that has 80mg or 180mg. Who's telling you this. He's most likely wrong. These dealers so anything. 152mg is enough to make most people puke except you frequent user. This would barely budge a buzz for me. You got to be 1st in line after the cook to know your getting "xxmg," and even at that the cook may be inaccurate if the stuff is not pure white.
aj
Bluelighter
1)How can you possibly know if you have a complete list of all the possible Snoopy pills in existance? Because manufacture is unregulated no-one has any idea how many labs exist or how many similar pill stamps are used at the different labs. If you only published results once you were sure you had seen ALL the Snoopy pills how could you possibly know that there wasn't another variation being pressed somewhere?
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That is exactly my point.
Since pills exist in all varieties, publishing the contents of just one will not provide the right information.
It should be noted that exactly the same pill might contain something completely different.
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2)Surely people who read this board and others like it wouldn't be foolish enough to believe that there would be only one or two copycats of popular pill stamps?
Well, OK then, some of them MIGHT be, but most of us should know better. In the UK generally the pill reports would suggest that there aren't usually a lot of identical looking pills with very different contents in any given area. The recent batches of blue/green tulips, stardusts, fish/sharks, 007s all got similar reports for similar looking pills from different parts of the country. I understand that this may well be different in the Netherlands of course.
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I don't know all the details of course but I don't think it is safe to assume that "if a batch of this goes around in that area then they will all be the same"
Again, I think it should be noted that pills that look exactly the same at any given time can contain different substances.
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3)Do you not think that if a pill report includes ALL the relevant information ie date, place, size, detailed description of logo and scoring on the back etc that you can be resonably certain that it will be the same as a pill which has the same description in the same area around the same time?
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Exactly that information is food for the copycats.
The more details, the better "because it was tested on this or that site"
Don't get me wrong, I think publishing contents is great. And of course, doing so is very difficult (politically/financially).
However, poeple might draw the wrong conclusions and the whole thing is rather delicate.
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I am NOT advocating dropping pills without testing them here, I know I don't any more, merely saying that I can't think of any examples of two very similar pills giving different results when bought in the same area within a week or two of each other.
+++++++++++++++
Again, I do not think that that is safe to assume.
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4)I can certainly see how publishing good test results will give the copycats ideas but not the bad ones. Unfortunately if you only publish the bad pill test results if someone offers you a good one you will know nothing about their reputation and if you do not have your test kit with you then you have to pass it up or take a risk when an accurate report could have swayed you. If you take away the reports then surely the users, not the manufacturers have more to lose?
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I am not against the reports.
I think it is good.
It is also food for thought again.
That is what I am thinking.
In Holland, there is a database with results of 100000 pills but it is not open for us.
Only for the Dutch lab/test instututes.
Pity...
Anyway, publishing results is cool but it is never safe to assume that a pill that looks/weighs/whatevers the same contains the same substance.
Rgds
aj
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That is exactly my point.
Since pills exist in all varieties, publishing the contents of just one will not provide the right information.
It should be noted that exactly the same pill might contain something completely different.
+++++++++++++++++++
2)Surely people who read this board and others like it wouldn't be foolish enough to believe that there would be only one or two copycats of popular pill stamps?
Well, OK then, some of them MIGHT be, but most of us should know better. In the UK generally the pill reports would suggest that there aren't usually a lot of identical looking pills with very different contents in any given area. The recent batches of blue/green tulips, stardusts, fish/sharks, 007s all got similar reports for similar looking pills from different parts of the country. I understand that this may well be different in the Netherlands of course.
++++++++++++
I don't know all the details of course but I don't think it is safe to assume that "if a batch of this goes around in that area then they will all be the same"
Again, I think it should be noted that pills that look exactly the same at any given time can contain different substances.
+++++++++++++++++++
3)Do you not think that if a pill report includes ALL the relevant information ie date, place, size, detailed description of logo and scoring on the back etc that you can be resonably certain that it will be the same as a pill which has the same description in the same area around the same time?
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Exactly that information is food for the copycats.
The more details, the better "because it was tested on this or that site"
Don't get me wrong, I think publishing contents is great. And of course, doing so is very difficult (politically/financially).
However, poeple might draw the wrong conclusions and the whole thing is rather delicate.
++++++++++++++++++++++
I am NOT advocating dropping pills without testing them here, I know I don't any more, merely saying that I can't think of any examples of two very similar pills giving different results when bought in the same area within a week or two of each other.
+++++++++++++++
Again, I do not think that that is safe to assume.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
4)I can certainly see how publishing good test results will give the copycats ideas but not the bad ones. Unfortunately if you only publish the bad pill test results if someone offers you a good one you will know nothing about their reputation and if you do not have your test kit with you then you have to pass it up or take a risk when an accurate report could have swayed you. If you take away the reports then surely the users, not the manufacturers have more to lose?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I am not against the reports.
I think it is good.
It is also food for thought again.
That is what I am thinking.
In Holland, there is a database with results of 100000 pills but it is not open for us.
Only for the Dutch lab/test instututes.
Pity...
Anyway, publishing results is cool but it is never safe to assume that a pill that looks/weighs/whatevers the same contains the same substance.
Rgds
aj
All good answers, pretty much the same ones I was thinking when I wrote the questions. I have to say though in the last 18 months round here there haven't been any cases of there being two identical (or nearly) pills that have given markedly different results; except of course the universal dud white mitsubishi, which doesn't really count as it is almost certainly the most copied pill in the world and you haven't really lived if you haven't seen a dud mitsi.
The more information available the better I say. Unfortunately of course some people will say providing information about drugs encourages people to take them, probably in the same way that seeing an advertisement for Marlboro Lights in a magazine will suddenly make the non-smoker think "Oh look, the Marlboro Lights only have 6mg tar. I think I'll take up smoking now that these are available".
But what can you do?
The more information available the better I say. Unfortunately of course some people will say providing information about drugs encourages people to take them, probably in the same way that seeing an advertisement for Marlboro Lights in a magazine will suddenly make the non-smoker think "Oh look, the Marlboro Lights only have 6mg tar. I think I'll take up smoking now that these are available".
But what can you do?
aj
Bluelighter
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I have to say though in the last 18 months round here there haven't been any cases of there being two identical (or nearly) pills that have given markedly different results
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I doubt it but I guess we will only find out once there are good lab testing facilities in the rest of the world, not only Holland ;-)
aj
I have to say though in the last 18 months round here there haven't been any cases of there being two identical (or nearly) pills that have given markedly different results
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I doubt it but I guess we will only find out once there are good lab testing facilities in the rest of the world, not only Holland ;-)
aj
Dr.Tom
Bluelighter
I had blue snoopys in miami and they were weak proably the 30mg ones. Beside a 150 0r 200mg pill would be big thick. I see tiny pills claiming to be strong. I see the pick of litter from high volume dealers in Miami and in th elast two years, the red tulips were the last pills I would think were near 100mg much less 150mg.
Personally I get Nystagmous over 150mg and full on eyes rolled up 200mg. I weigh 220lbs. My G friend had 4 red tulips and was near seizure level and I did 5 over 4 hours. I figure they are more like > 100mg but at least they were there.
I will add that the orange Motorola's that appeared in South Miami were strong as the tulips but they were quickly replaced by weaker yellow ones. Still > 50mg or more. I may be jaded and your results will vary but un fortunately it will only get worse. After the Anti meth bill passes, what I wrote here would put me in jail for up to 10 years!SO much for free speech!
BUSH2000 GO GO
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We will be going straight to hell, instead of a round about course!
Personally I get Nystagmous over 150mg and full on eyes rolled up 200mg. I weigh 220lbs. My G friend had 4 red tulips and was near seizure level and I did 5 over 4 hours. I figure they are more like > 100mg but at least they were there.
I will add that the orange Motorola's that appeared in South Miami were strong as the tulips but they were quickly replaced by weaker yellow ones. Still > 50mg or more. I may be jaded and your results will vary but un fortunately it will only get worse. After the Anti meth bill passes, what I wrote here would put me in jail for up to 10 years!SO much for free speech!
BUSH2000 GO GO
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We will be going straight to hell, instead of a round about course!