12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect

[verso]

well those people are fools if they just gave it up..even if they didnt ask for anything in return you should still throw them a few bags, its common courtesy..its just DRUGS 101..thats like gettin some weed for someone and not gettin smoked down for it..

They know that I'll always do the same for them, and there you have the give and take. Those friends or "fools" who have given me their connects for free, they can call me anytime they need a favor, and I'll come through for them; they know that I'll always return the favor...

 

[dscoopz]

Eh, hope that's an exaggeration but shit if my foot was way swelled up I'd be heading right to the er. There's no way I want to have a nub instead of a foot.

nah im not even exaggerating, it happened like 3 days ago, it felt alot better today though, and the swelling went down alot, but dont scare me, talkin about goin to the ER and havin a nub instead of a foot haha.

 

[dscoopz]

Those veins look really visible but they're pretty hard to hit. Also is slightly painful poking through. Didn't you notice you were missing?

I usually pull back the plunger when I'm partially through the shot to make sure that I'm still registered.

yea, they looked like it would be an easy 1,2,3 process, but i was very wrong about that one. i did pull back and i saw blood, but during injection i probably jus moved it a lil too much and missed the whole thing. Its been about 3 days now and the swellin and pain are finally goin away, it honestly felt like my foot was broken for the past couple of days, terrible. NOOB.

 

[chinky]

They know that I'll always do the same for them, and there you have the give and take. Those friends or "fools" who have given me their connects for free, they can call me anytime they need a favor, and I'll come through for them; they know that I'll always return the favor...

im a closet dope user, like no one knows i use dope and dont really hang around with anyone that does do it, so in my case it wouldnt be someone i fully trust, its not someone ive known for 10years..thats prolly why im more cautious about who i een go cop with, let alone give out a number..i just dont see a problem with paying for a new connect, all the hard work finding and building up trust with them was taken care of before me, so payin a few bags isnt a problem, like i said the least i can do is get that person high

 

[Tommyboy]

yea, they looked like it would be an easy 1,2,3 process, but i was very wrong about that one. i did pull back and i saw blood, but during injection i probably jus moved it a lil too much and missed the whole thing. Its been about 3 days now and the swellin and pain are finally goin away, it honestly felt like my foot was broken for the past couple of days, terrible. NOOB.

Well this is a harm reduction forum so we're obviously not going to tell you to just not worry about it. Put hot water on a towel and do hot compresses every 30 minutes to an hour or so. If it doesn't get better after another day or so, then head to the ER, but you said it got better today so hopefully you are straight, but still keep an eye on it. There isn't much circulation in the foot area compared to areas closer to the body, so that's why misses in that area are particularly bad, since bacteria or infection from a missed shot can just sit there getting worse and worse because new healthy blood isn't going through there as much as it does in other areas.

You really should avoid IVing in your foot. It's one of the worst places to hit (aside from the neck and the femoral vein) due to the reasons listed above, and also because your foot is going to sweat in a sock and sneakers, especially in the summer, so that's just a breeding ground for bacteria, making missing a shot there even worse. If your arms are fucked then get some suboxone and take a break. If you use a new needle every time, and rotate injection sites, then your veins will thank you and last longer.

 

[verso]

im a closet dope user, like no one knows i use dope and dont really hang around with anyone that does do it, so in my case it wouldnt be someone i fully trust, its not someone ive known for 10years..thats prolly why im more cautious about who i een go cop with, let alone give out a number..i just dont see a problem with paying for a new connect, all the hard work finding and building up trust with them was taken care of before me, so payin a few bags isnt a problem, like i said the least i can do is get that person high

I understand that, and it's not that I have a problem with throwing someone bags for hooking me up with a new connect if that's really what it is, but what I do have a problem with is middlemen who will have you drive them all around town, take you to their dealer, tax you, and then come up with some reason for why his guy won't see you after all -- "oh but bro you can call me anytime and I'll take you out here!" Yeah, OK! And that's what tends to happen, and that I have a problem with... it just creates this environment where middlemen prosper, and I hate that shit.

 

[chinky]

if that happened there is no way he would get them bags cause that wasnt the deal..and then id tell hm hes lucky dont charge him as money for wasting my tme and that he can get out and walk home if he doesnt have money

 

[verso]

Well remember, it's his guy and he has to see his guy with your money first before vouching for ya and introducing you to the dealer, so if he doesn't take all your bags and straight-up beat you, he's taking his two bags at the very least with or without your say-so.

It's just too complicated and messy a thing, and if they're hurting for two bags now then they'll be hurting for two bags later, and so it's never in their best interest to give up the connect after getting just two bags on just one occasion.

So they'll give you the run-around. They'll have you believing that this thing is going down up until the very last second when you're already in too deep to turn back now.

I just feel it's friendlier and less complicated to do it my way. You vouch for me, and I'll vouch for you. You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours.

 

[dscoopz]

Well this is a harm reduction forum so we're obviously not going to tell you to just not worry about it. Put hot water on a towel and do hot compresses every 30 minutes to an hour or so. If it doesn't get better after another day or so, then head to the ER, but you said it got better today so hopefully you are straight, but still keep an eye on it. There isn't much circulation in the foot area compared to areas closer to the body, so that's why misses in that area are particularly bad, since bacteria or infection from a missed shot can just sit there getting worse and worse because new healthy blood isn't going through there as much as it does in other areas.

You really should avoid IVing in your foot. It's one of the worst places to hit (aside from the neck and the femoral vein) due to the reasons listed above, and also because your foot is going to sweat in a sock and sneakers, especially in the summer, so that's just a breeding ground for bacteria, making missing a shot there even worse. If your arms are fucked then get some suboxone and take a break. If you use a new needle every time, and rotate injection sites, then your veins will thank you and last longer.

i barley ever IV, ive jus tried it like twice, but i refuse to ever do it agian, and to tell you the truth that is exactly what im goin to do, im gonna get my hands on a couple of suboxens to help with the withdrawals and a few xanax sticks to help me sleep at night. Im offically quittin opiates this thursday, ive had enough of the bullshit already. thanks though.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ You probably don't even need to get xanax, but if you feel more comfortable with it then I guess get it. Just be careful not to get too many and get hooked on them. The suboxone should be enough though, and I just started this thread on the best way to detox using a few subs, so check it out and post there if you want more people to reply. All you need is one to detox you off the dope, and any more than 1 1/2 pills will likely complicate things even more, and just draw out the inevitable withdrawals.

if that happened there is no way he would get them bags cause that wasnt the deal..and then id tell hm hes lucky dont charge him as money for wasting my tme and that he can get out and walk home if he doesnt have money

I guess you have been using the same dealer for so long that you aren't that familiar with the middleman game, which is a good thing. If you all go for the ride, then they take the cash, hop out to see the dealer, take their fee, and then give you what is left. You never have more than what is yours in your hands, and you go through all the trouble of arranging to pick up them [the middleman] up, then hoping that he's got everything worked out with his dealer that its a quick deal, and then you get taxed on top of that, not to mention the gas and miles from using your car since most middlemen are broke fools. It's such a grimey thing considering that all they are doing is making the hand to hand exchange, and they somehow feel entitled to at least 2 bags of yours, but usually just mark up the price of the bags so they get 1 free bag for every 2 that you buy.

That's why Verso won't go back to dealing with them, and rightfully so. It's never just 2 bags that they are getting from it, so unless you are extremely firm with them and explain that they are better off just giving you the connect as you would do the same for them, or letting them know that they better be prepared to walk home if they don't set up the intro to the dealer upon giving them their free bags, it's not worth the hassle. You also have to consider the extra risk since these middlemen likely burned a few people since they are grimey, so if they burned dealers you gotta worry about running into them with the middleman in your car, and if they burned other users you gotta worry about getting busted since the police likely know about the middleman since their name is probably the first one that people would give up to police if they are gonna snitch since the dude burned them.

Well remember, it's his guy and he has to see his guy with your money first before vouching for ya and introducing you to the dealer, so if he doesn't take all your bags and straight-up beat you, he's taking his two bags at the very least with or without your say-so.

Yea, it's not like the middleman will hop back into your car after taking your cash to make the deal, then hand over all of the bags and say "OK, now after I introduce you to him, you can give me those 2 bags we agreed upon." Haha, it's more like they will hop back in the car, give you the bags minus their fee, and then make up a story about their dealer not wanting to meet anybody new right now. Even in cases where you just agree to toss them a few bags for doing the deal, they are most likely getting more than just a few bags out of it, so since they won't want you to know how badly they are fucking you, they never let you see the full amount they got, and just toss you the amount of bags you were getting.

 

[chinky]

I don't know why yall just let these fools run the game like that..check it

If your giving me your connect..I plan on you telling this on the phone with your dude and then when we get there, I then meet him be it him jumpin in the car or if we gotta hop in his ride or whatever..but I'm not gvin you my money if the plan is being intoduced..

that is the whole reason the event is taking place..so why would you drive and meet up with dude and not meet him??


When I first got my first connect..I was goin and picking up my dude like once every week or week and a half..then one day I called him and he was alrady down there...turns out the person he went down with got pissed off and kicked him out the car in a downpour..so he was sitting at a bus stop tryin to get change so he could take a train home...he said if I could pick him up and drive him home he would give me the connect and I can meet him myself from now on..so I do it and when I get there dude was soaking wet and had no cash..so he asked if I could get him a rig and a can of pop..whatever I did..so anyways he gives it to me...now I always would get a jab and it was always 12 bags, so he got one and I got the rest..well turns out the full package was 14, so he was takin 2off the top and then takin an extra that we agree upon ..when I asked him he said "yeah well why do you think I only charge you one?..I always thought it was cause I would drive out of my way and smoke him down ..funny thing was I would pick him up but not drop him off most the time cause he had other people he middlemanned for and would sometimes stay In the city all day cause he knew someone se was gonna call and he could prolly get a ride home or just take the train..

 

[verso]

Tell me, chinky, when you roll up to the spot after picking some loser kid up to go see his dealer, after filling your tank up with gas and taking out the money, after all the running around... are you really going to say "forget it, then" when this little twit says to you, "ah, man, I can get you the bags but my guy doesn't want to see anyone new right now" ?

Hell, maybe you would say that, and then you've sure as hell got greater will-power and self-control than I do, but most of us would say, "fuck it, we already did all this running around... might as well get the bags at least."

That's how middlemen make their living. They do this again and again and again, and when you've got not dealers of your own, you find yourself put in the position where you have to go through a middleman and you have to accept their tax each time, even knowing that you're not going to meet the actual dealer. It sucks, man, and you'll never get a dealer of your own because of this cycle. It's basically, "I've got the dealer, and you don't, so go through me or leave empty-handed."

I got lucky, and my guy left his dealer's number on my phone one time; that's how I got my first real dealer, and from that moment on, I've just been picking up new connects by not negotiating with middlemen and by being a trustworthy, honest sort of person, the sort of person people like to do favors for.

It sounds really cheesy, but look, I'm a scrawny little white kid from the 'burbs with no real "street cred" to speak of, and all I've got is my good reputation. You won't ever encounter one single person who can say, "yeah that kid beat me" or "yeah that kid did me dirty." Likewise, you'll never hear a dealer of mine ever say, "yeah he shorts me" or "yeah he never paid me back for that front I gave him." All you'll hear is that I've always been on the up and up, and so people like that, and they trust me, and they'll vouch for me.

When I say, "hey, hook me up with your dealer, and if there's ever anything that I can do for you in the future... you have my word" people whom you might think stupid will do it, but they're not stupid, because when they call me, down and out, looking for something... I'll go as far out of my way as I need to in order to return the favor. I don't forget the favors people do for me.

That's the way I think it should be, and that's the only way that I'll do things from now on. If you want to tax me, you can go take your connect and eat a bag of dicks. If you're a sincere, honest sort of person, the type of person I can work with... just give me the connect, and you can rest assured I'll get you back sometime.

EDIT: And there's this idea that, "it's the dope game, man, it's grimy, real serious business, and that's just how it is!" Bitch, please, we're talking about bags with fucking smiley faces and cartoon characters printed on them. We can do without some of the griminess... no?

 

[RidingtheBrownline]

i feel you guys on the middleman subject. lucky for me numbers were always passed around freely in my circle of friends and if you don't got a number you got hundreds of guys on the corner who will serve you up. blessing and a curse. but really a blessing lol.

 

[MemphisX3]

you guys talk about heroin, and the likes, entirely too much.

 

[MemphisX3]

Tell me, chinky, when you roll up to the spot after picking some loser kid up to go see his dealer, after filling your tank up with gas and taking out the money, after all the running around... are you really going to say "forget it, then" when this little twit says to you, "ah, man, I can get you the bags but my guy doesn't want to see anyone new right now" ?

Hell, maybe you would say that, and then you've sure as hell got greater will-power and self-control than I do, but most of us would say, "fuck it, we already did all this running around... might as well get the bags at least."

That's how middlemen make their living. They do this again and again and again, and when you've got not dealers of your own, you find yourself put in the position where you have to go through a middleman and you have to accept their tax each time, even knowing that you're not going to meet the actual dealer. It sucks, man, and you'll never get a dealer of your own because of this cycle. It's basically, "I've got the dealer, and you don't, so go through me or leave empty-handed."

I got lucky, and my guy left his dealer's number on my phone one time; that's how I got my first real dealer, and from that moment on, I've just been picking up new connects by not negotiating with middlemen and by being a trustworthy, honest sort of person, the sort of person people like to do favors for.

It sounds really cheesy, but look, I'm a scrawny little white kid from the 'burbs with no real "street cred" to speak of, and all I've got is my good reputation. You won't ever encounter one single person who can say, "yeah that kid beat me" or "yeah that kid did me dirty." Likewise, you'll never hear a dealer of mine ever say, "yeah he shorts me" or "yeah he never paid me back for that front I gave him." All you'll hear is that I've always been on the up and up, and so people like that, and they trust me, and they'll vouch for me.

When I say, "hey, hook me up with your dealer, and if there's ever anything that I can do for you in the future... you have my word" people whom you might think stupid will do it, but they're not stupid, because when they call me, down and out, looking for something... I'll go as far out of my way as I need to in order to return the favor. I don't forget the favors people do for me.

That's the way I think it should be, and that's the only way that I'll do things from now on. If you want to tax me, you can go take your connect and eat a bag of dicks. If you're a sincere, honest sort of person, the type of person I can work with... just give me the connect, and you can rest assured I'll get you back sometime.

EDIT: And there's this idea that, "it's the dope game, man, it's grimy, real serious business, and that's just how it is!" Bitch, please, we're talking about bags with fucking smiley faces and cartoon characters printed on them. We can do without some of the griminess... no?

i read your other posts concerning the dude who was taxing you. i can see where you would get slightly irritated but around here, thats just how it goes. i very rarely take anyone to my connects without them buying me a bag or a pill (prices). thats just the way it goes...if you need/want it bad enough you will come to me and if you dont, i aint mad at ya, i understand.

my dudes WILL NOT MEET NEW PEOPLE. they will flatly tell me never to bring anyone with me....and im sure as shit not about to give ANYONE my 6 year and counting NON-STOP dilaudid connect. this same guy would not fuck with me when i first met him because of my age ....i had to come around with my uncle for a few months (literally) before he trusted me to come alone.

im with your boy verso. its the dope game, thats just how it goes man. you may say we're talking about bags with smiley faces and cartoon characters on them but those bags are in the pockets of some more than likely hardened people and i dont play games with that type of shit. i dont know how it is up there but all of my dealers would tell me to go fuck myself if i sent someone over there without approval


edit: i would suggest puting your big boy panties on and finding your own dealer if it bothers you THAT BAD.

 

[MemphisX3]

also LOL at all of you with these noble ideas of junkies having ANY sense of values or anything else for that matter.


you guys are forgetting that junkies ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR THE NEXT BAG.


chinky were you seriously surprised dude was getting 3 bags off the wham?

all of this "it should be, i do you a favor and you do me a favor in return" is fucking hilarious.


i would sell my sister to a gang of ravenous memphis gangsters with a liking for white women before i would expect any junky to honor this code.

 

[The Rock Monster]

i agree memph. all these sissies whining about middlemen.. pathetic

grow a pair you guys

 

[MemphisX3]

i remember when i was like 22 and middlemanning folks hardcore i made the mistake of bringing this kid with me one day to cop because i didnt have time to drop him off and then come get him so he didnt know where the spot was...i would always tell my people "do not come around here without me, i can not protect you when you are not with me and im not sure what these people would do to you" which was the truth.

i get a call from this kid the very next day like 2 hours after i called to see if he needed anything and he said no. he was like "DUDE YOUR PEOPLE ROBBED ME AND TOOK MY BOYS SHOES." i just said "what the fuck are you doing going out there without me in the first place, i told you not to do that" and he continues "but yea dude why couldnt you just introduce me i cant afford to be buying you a bag everytime." and i simply told him "well now you see what happens when you go out there without me, youre lucky you only got robbed."

he also needed a ride because the guy who got his shoes taken had left dude IN NORTH FUCKING MEMPHIS with no money or a ride. this was a 19 year old suburban kid walking around north memphis. i went and picked him up and actually convinced my dude to give me dude's shoes and his money back.....i picked the kid up and went straight to the spot and copped dudes shoes and money and came back out to the car and gave dude his shoes and he was like "awwww thanks man youre a life saver, my friend will be so thankful you got his shoes back....and you got my money too right?" i said "yeah i got your money but i spent it on 3 .10 bags" he started bitching about it and my only response was "you're lucky you arent in a hospital or a fucking ditch, if i left you out here for another hour god knows what would have happened you should be thankful i picked your ass up these bags are my fee for picking you up." he stopped arguing after that but i thought it was comical.'


dude could have gone out there with me and copped 2 bags and thrown me one and avoided all this hassle but NOOOOOOOOOOOO he wants to be a badass and cop on his own and ignore all of my warnings.

this kid just walked up to the spot and asked for some bags never having spoken to or seen these people before.

 

[BluffBoy]

^^thats true though. You can't be mad at the middleman for just trying to keep the sick off just like you. and if it bothers you enough to bitch about it, get connected, network or some shit.

 

[MemphisX3]

^^thats true though. You can't be mad at the middleman for just trying to keep the sick off just like you. and if it bothers you enough to bitch about it, get connected, network or some shit.

see thats my point exactly. i have never once bitched about being middlemanned NEVER. even when i had to buy someone 4 fucking pills at a time...its just part of the game.

dont bitch at me when i was the one who spent god knows how much time and money to get close to these people...i had to be introduced to these people by one of their own...like inner circle type shit. the only reason i was able to accomplish this was because i was making money with them on a number of different things.