12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect

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one of their big money makers is the video poker machines you see at bars..if you want one in your bar chances are your goin threw them to get the machine just a couple years ago they blew up that coin-op business in cicero..the outfit also has close ties with the outlaws motorcycle gang
 
^ Any type of vending machine for that matter.

They say that The Sopranos was the most accurate portrayal of the modern mafia family. Now it's a few years old, but I think a lot of it still applies, other than maybe fights between families that had once been close, because you really can't kill people like you used to and get away with it without the feds being all over you.

Basically the mob is nothing to worry about if you don't gamble, aren't a business owner, and haven't fucked one of their daughters.
 
here is video of tony accardo's two houses in River Forest, i grew up like 3 blocks away from the first one. in the 80's the armed guard in black shades would be curbside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaqk0jY1G8E

i also used to party dope with one of the Spilatro daughters, who's family was portrayed in that movie, Casino.
 
TRM good to see and hear u are off dope... Just be careful to keep going up on methadone. The more u will go up the more u will come down. But either way u are doing the right thing. I have a full supply of subs but just can't seem to take them but I knw I would live to take a break... Well good to see u all are doing good!!
 
why do they call individual bags decks in the nj area?

If anything I would think a bundle would be called a deck

Do you mean a single bag? I never heard them called a deck around camden, maybe that's a north jersey/patterson/trenton thing. I broke it down a bit on page 13, but this is basically it-

Bag/Stamp/Small/Single/Loose - Single bag serving of dope
Bun/Bundle/Large - 10-13 Bag deal or set of bags based upon your purchase amount and dealer
Brick/Pack - 5 bundles (or possibly more depending on the deal set up)

Common ways it is put::

"Lemme get a brick, 2 large, and 2 small" - Means Lemme get a pack of 5, 2 bundles on top of that, plus 2 loose.

"Lemme get a bun and 2 small" - Bundle and 2 loose single stamp bags

"Lemme get a big and a small" - 1 bundle 1 loose

"Lemme get a brick and 2 small for my old lady..." - 5 bundles 2 loose bags for my girlfriend
 
^ Haha. NJ dope slang 101.

lol. You guys don't have any type of slang like that?

It gets much worse too when you get into people who refuse to use terms like those. One guy I know won't serve you unless you call a bundle a "Sock" and singles a "Shirt" - fckin weird I know, but just how he does business.

And it gets crazy when you get to the blocks that sell dope & coke both, or dope, coke, & crack. Like -

"Lemme get 2 large, 1 small, 4 rocks, and 2 powder"
or
"Lemme get 1 Bun, 2 loose, a rock, and 3 white"

I only buy dope so mine is usually just "3 large" or "4 large 2 loose (or 2 small)" simple shit like that.
 
damn, it seems so long since i've hopped on here, especially since i just moved to a new apartment in the only part of my city i truly like (in terms of the super heavy arts and drug culture.). that + my dealer has been switching up sources so now we all get dirt cheap white/tan powder. a solid three bags are equivalent to half a bun of the older shit i was getting + no more stamps...just loose weight (although i still say stamp for a single serve because she bags her shit up the same way). kinda nice knowing exact weights...especially since ive been selling her my scripts of klonopin and ritalin so she wont cut it beyond what was given to her. i love not having to resort to walking to the cornerboys 2 blocks over (which i find funny because it's either hood as shit around here because of the cheaper housing and projects, or it's part of an arts revival in the city.)

so in the mean time i developed a kratom habit. amazing little plant right there. #1 withdrawl remedy ive ever come across. 2gs of some 50x extract + a bag of weed and I was good as new (ish).
 
Damn, I just did some Brooklyn fire. I took 6mg of suboxone yesterday, then copped 2 bags through a trade, but was planning on holding onto them for a few days since subs usually block for a while with me, but I was bored and you know how that goes. I rarely IV, but figured I would do a tiny test shot to see if the dope would hit me, seeing as I would have to sniff a decent amount before finding out, and I didn't want to waste any.

This is from the BK connect that doesn't cut the dope, and it was pure white, and looked pharm grade, no joke. The bags were small though, probably .05 which is average for some areas in northern NJ, but a little small for NY, although NY bags are mostly around .07 or so. Anyway, I mixed up like 1/4 of a bag, so you know how little that was, and it turned a little dark when the water hit it, but drew up clear. My boy who has this connect did a shot by me about 3 weeks ago or so, and he said usually when it's that clear in his experience it isn't that good, so he was surprised when it hit him like a ton of bricks. So there I was with maybe .02 at the most in the rig, and started doing a shot slowly, and got half way through and was getting a crazy rush so I pulled the rig out. This stuff is crazy strong if I got that kinda rush off of like .01 a day after taking 6mg of suboxone, so I just squirted the rest of the shot up my nose, and sniffed the rest of the powder I hadn't mixed up.

I think I said before in recent posts that if you aren't familiar with this sources dope, then you are gonna OD if you don't do a test shot, and even if you are familiar with it, you still have to be careful. The good thing is that since he bags it all in a particular stamp for a batch, and the batch is all the same (although it may change after a few months, but then its the same for another few), so you know what to expect. I guess I'm lucky that I don't like the rush, because to me it's just a rush of anxiety in which I'm wondering if I'm going to live or not, so once it's over I am relieved. I only IV once a month on average, but I usually don't unless I have a tiny bit of dope in which the only way I'm getting high is from IVing it, or if I sniffed some and didn't get that high, and the amount I have left will only get me high if I IV it. Since I get good shit and don't use that much I rarely end up IVing it, because if sniffing 3 bags gets me high, and 4 gets me as high as I want, there is no need to IV it. I've only been using dope once a week, or maybe twice but usually only get a bag or two the second time if I have some hard work to do.

That's why my tolerance has stayed the same for so long. I had started back up a year ago, and I haven't done more than 4 bags other than maybe 5x in all of that time. I'd say my tolerance has been the same since October which was after a few months of using pretty consistently, and then I cut back my use to a few times a week to keep it that way. Some of my friends that use take that as me not being much of an addict, but really it's so that I can still get high when I want to, as opposed to them using daily which is mostly just to keep the sick away, and then get high like once after they get paid. So really we get high just as much as eachother, but I just skip the bullshit of using all the time just to get well. If you are going to make it in this here dope game, and still live a somewhat normal life, then you can't get that strung out. Even when I was worse off, I could still make it 36 hours before feeling sick at all, so I could always skip a day without it mattering much.

lol. You guys don't have any type of slang like that?

Our bundles are usually just called bundles, but slang would be bun, bunny, bomb, or if you know the dealer you might just say "let me get a whole (or full) one." Singles bags are just bag, stamp, single, or slice, but if you are a regular you just say the number of bags you want, like "yea I just need 4." I've never heard the term brick used here, but we do have sleeves, whick are 100 bags. I guess since we don't have open air markets in NY most people copping in the city are getting sleeves, so the term brick isn't used as much since it's not that common of an amount bought.
 
when I call me people all I say is a whole or a half or just the number I want..like "16" is a jab plus 2..not really code
 
^ Probably. I get 10 stamps/bundle but they usually weigh out to less than 1 gram.
 
am i the only who still gets 10 stamp/1g bundles anymore?

Definitely not. I know blocks that still only sell 10 in a bundle. You need to find a new set, usually because the dope is crap or they don't have a good higher up.

I briefly went into it in an earlier post, but this is it basically-

The head guy who distributes the dope makes money off the kilo's. Then they take it and break it down into ounces. Then once at ounces it gets bagged into the stamps & bundles.

Now here is where the switch up of numbers comes in--

Depending on if the bundles are sold at wholesale, they are usually sold to other dealers at 14/bundle. Sometimes 13/bundle.

If it goes down the chain, the head guy will take 1 bag out of every 15 bag bundle and after 15 bundles he makes an extra bundle as profit for himself. The street dealers when they sell it, now have 14 bags in a bundle. So when you buy a bundle on the street, they will most likely give you 11 since they only have a profit margin of 4 bags out of every bundle leaving them 3 extra bags to make profit on. If they sell them as singles, that means they make all 4 bags as profit.

If the sale of the bundles goes through ANOTHER hand then you figure there is 13 bags by the time it gets to the low level hand to hand dealers. Meaning if they want to make profit, they have to sell the bundles with 10 in them so they can still make 3 bag profit, or sometimes they're willing to do 11, but then that means they make only a 2 bag profit. Not much.

It depends on the dealer and how many hands the bundles travel through. That's why I like finding sets that have been around a long time or dealers that are older. They are no-nonsense and usually are getting 14 in a bundle themselves.
 
If your not doubling your money I don't see the point..they gotta be makin more then3bags profit
 
i always wonder what kind of deal the corner boys are getting. i used to get 14 in a jab and it was killer. now on the street the spots with the fire did 10. no deals. you are lucky to get 12 now it seems.
 
This stuff is crazy strong if I got that kinda rush off of like .01 a day after taking 6mg of suboxone, so I just squirted the rest of the shot up my nose, and sniffed the rest of the powder I hadn't mixed up.

How did that work (squirting it up your nose?) Wasn't it all blood red colored by that point?
 
Man, some people are just so grimy. We got a text from this kid we know, telling us all about his banging new connect whose bags are like twice or three times as good as the bags we get. Said he'd introduce us if we could buy him a bundle.

I sincerely doubt that he'd have even introduced us to him anyway.

I told him I'd hook him up if he could guarantee me that, after paying him his little finders fee, we could see the guy directly. But he couldn't make any promises, and then he said he'd do it for just half a bundle if we could do it tonight, and he said that he already spoke to the guy and his guy agreed to meet me.

I was like, uh, no. I'm not getting my ass out of bed at 130 in the morning just so that I can get middled. I'm done with getting taxed and getting middled. I understand that this is how junkies without cars survive, by bringing people out to their dealers, but no, we're too old for this nonsense, and we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to middlemen.

If we can't see your connect directly after hooking you up with a one-time finders fee, then we're not down for it. Better still, you should just give us your connect. It will make us happy, your guy happy, and ultimately, it's less of a headache for everyone.

If someone we know is hurting, we'll just call up our guy, get the OK from him, and pass along his number because we'd want someone to do the same for us. Hell, we've done it before and more than once.

It just makes me so mad. But he's a fiend, and come tomorrow or some other time when he's really hurting, I'm sure that he'll throw his connect at me for just two bags lol

And I'm not stupid, either. If you're serious about sharing your connect, then yeah, I'll bring you out there and throw you some bags, but I'm calling your guy from my phone, he's hearing my voice, and I'm going to be the one seeing him. And that's that.

Half a bundle and no real guarantee... yeah, you can get fucked lol

Besides, my guy's bags might not always be the best, but we get those bundles for half the price so..........
 
How did that work (squirting it up your nose?) Wasn't it all blood red colored by that point?

It worked fine, I actually do that with most shots, and have done it before with dope that got fucked up by moisture. When I was looking at it in they syringe I thought it might be nasty tasting with the blood, but I didn't even really taste it. I guess think of it like having a bloody nose. You only really taste it if you sniff it hard and it drips down the back of your throat.
 
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