12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect

[gwencooper]

Great advice. Most make fun of me for snorting so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I'm too wreckless to bang. I'd be dead in no time. Plus, only junkies do that. So I'm obviously not a junkie because I only snort it. HAHAHAHA

Hey ThatBoy,

Great advice? Are you taking the piss? I'm a junkie. Totally! That is something I CAN actually admit, but I do have a reckless streak/deathwish/"let's go crazy" attitude towards life and would have been dead within a week of banging dope.

Now that I've had some friends die & stuff - I'm the "harm reducer"/office manager in the room. I make sure everyone wipes down with alcohol/peroxide; not too much to start -(you wanna bang 6 bags? not on my watch - try 3!"); that sort of thing. Sort of like being the designated dopehead. In the words of the great Tom Petty: Even the snorters get lucky sometimes.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Hey ThatBoy,

Great advice? Are you taking the piss? I'm a junkie. Totally! That is something I CAN actually admit, but I do have a reckless streak/deathwish/"let's go crazy" attitude towards life and would have been dead within a week of banging dope.

Now that I've had some friends die & stuff - I'm the "harm reducer"/office manager in the room. I make sure everyone wipes down with alcohol/peroxide; not too much to start -(you wanna bang 6 bags? not on my watch - try 3!"); that sort of thing. Sort of like being the designated dopehead. In the words of the great Tom Petty: Even the snorters get lucky sometimes.

Sounds like you would annoy the shit out of me if I used around you....

 

[Tommyboy]

Sounds like you would annoy the shit out of me if I used around you....

I do it to my friends, but mainly if they are driving. This one idiot insisted on driving after doing a 6 bag shot of some fire that had me high as hell after sniffing two. He wouldn't give in until he nodded out and hit the car in front of us. Anywhere in downstate NY is close to a hospital so if they are shooting up and not driving I'm not too worried since they aren't likely to die of an OD, but I would prefer to have access to Narcan, but that wouldn't end well either, even if they were limp and not breathing when I administered it. I would just get blamed for ruining their high, even if it would have been their last high had I not intervened.

 

[escape20]

Argh I fucking hate scramble. The shit stuffs up my nose, burns like a motherfuck, has a horrible tasting drip, and barely gets you high. Also, my dealer is starting to get really paranoid and it's scaring me. We used to meet up in the same spot in a decent area everytime but lately he's making me meet him in really bad neighborhoods. I think he either has some heat on him or he's using crack, speed, or cocaine. This dude got pissed at me because I told him if you ever get scramble again then please don't sell it to me. I was nice about it too, just told him i'm not a fan of scramble, and he starts getting really pissed. Usually he's a nice guy too...maybe it's time to find a new dealer.

Anyway after going though two full capsules of scramble i'm finally starting to nod a bit...it literally just started happening as I typing this post :D. Still would rather have raw...who knows how much dirty cut I had to snort to finally get to this point.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I do it to my friends, but mainly if they are driving. This one idiot insisted on driving after doing a 6 bag shot of some fire that had me high as hell after sniffing two. He wouldn't give in until he nodded out and hit the car in front of us. Anywhere in downstate NY is close to a hospital so if they are shooting up and not driving I'm not too worried since they aren't likely to die of an OD, but I would prefer to have access to Narcan, but that wouldn't end well either, even if they were limp and not breathing when I administered it. I would just get blamed for ruining their high, even if it would have been their last high had I not intervened.

The driving thing definitely gets to me. It's incredibly frustrating when you can see how blazingly high somebody is.. I mean, nodding off in mid sentence high, and they insist that they're totally fine. Then they get behind the wheel and it's like... are you kidding me? Aside from the danger of getting in an accident... how about the risk of simply getting pulled over and searched by a cop after they seen swerving all over the road? With my priors, if I got caught with dope again... I'd go away for a long fuckin' time.. so I'm not going to let some high out of his mind asshole get behind the wheel, and get me pinched.

 

[SM0K3Y]

Got a couple weeks clean and decided to relapse tonight (purposefully) but not go back to doing the shit everyday.

For those who do powder dope::

How many bags do you guys usually do in a single shot to get high and get a good rush?

For tar guys::

Does the tar break down easily with just water? It looks like it wouldn't but I'd assume that it does. Is it hard to get a higher viscosity with just water alone?? (Meaning does it thin out easily with just water?)

 

[gwencooper]

Sounds like you would annoy the shit out of me if I used around you....

Huh? Wha? Uh.... Now, come ON! Seriously, I am the fun one. This is totally one of those moments when I want to name names and place places but noop you're gonna have to trust me that I am quite possibly one of the most awesome chicklets in Chicago.

But yeah, I'll admit it, while you're attempting to nod properly, I'm gonna tell you some story about my shitty day or how i fucked the guy in the band on the radio or how the last time I scored shit this good it killed a really famous dude in a really famous band and "are you sure you're ok?" 8)

At least I'm pretty to look at,
Gwen

 

[SM0K3Y]

At least I'm pretty to look at,
Gwen

That's not for you to decide. Post pics and us leg humpers will provide you the answer of yes or no. Or possible "Somewhat".

Pics are a must. Non-Nudes will suffice.

 

[SM0K3Y]

Due to legal personal and privacy issues, i will post a pic and leave it up for maybe 24 hours... Fair? Please, please be gentle. OK?

Gwen

Oh please, I was just kidding, really. I really didn't want or expect you to post a picture. Please take it down if it makes you feel uncomfortable. I don't want you to mistake my joking for immaturity.

But yes you are a beautiful woman. Go ahead and take them down, don't put yourself in a predicament where you feel unsafe posting pics.

And no reason to say "Go easy" - you should feel more secure in your looks, trust me you're a great looking woman.

**EDITED** I took the pictures out of the quote this way you can remove them and not still have them in a post.

 

[KAYLA2010]

Kayla I'm guessing you are in the city. I think there is only a few good hotels besides the casinos. The mayor decided to tun the streetlights off in neighborhoods with few people. Look up fox 2 news and look for Charlie Laduffs( not sure on the spelling) Detroit invitational. He golfs through the city and is funny and sad at the same time.

If you can check out belle isle it is pretty cool and the heidelburg project. They are free just go during the daytime. Also there is an alternative paper called the metro times that has concert listings and shit. There paper is free and comes out on Wednesday and they have a web site. But for the most Part the city is a shithole and should be demolished and rebuilt.

P.S. Im sure you know this but Always drive with the car doors locked. It has saved my ass a few times.

Thank you I am in southgate, I actually got one of the few good hotels. I'm thinking about going to Dearborn for the rest of the time, I heard it nice around there...

Good idea about driving with the doors locked its so disturbing to know we really have to do that wtf

 

[McHigh_HMG]

Dope turned Red?!

This happened a couple times to a me a while back but could find anything on google or here and just recently happened to my friend.
Usually the d i get is white to a beige color and when mixed with water turns either a ginger ale color or shit brown color but there is d that i have gotten a few times that turned red in the needle.
Ive read and been told it might have been morphine.
The high wasnt paticularly good but it wasnt shitty either.
If some one knows what this could be or if it happened to them, please say something.

And i know no one could tell me about the dope IM getting but im asking just cause im curious if it has happened to any one else.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Got a couple weeks clean and decided to relapse tonight (purposefully) but not go back to doing the shit everyday.

For those who do powder dope::

How many bags do you guys usually do in a single shot to get high and get a good rush?

For tar guys::

Does the tar break down easily with just water? It looks like it wouldn't but I'd assume that it does. Is it hard to get a higher viscosity with just water alone?? (Meaning does it thin out easily with just water?)

Are you asking so you can base how much you should do? Because, there are a lot of factors at play here... if it's decent-good dope, I personally shoot five-six bags seven or eight if I'm in the mood for a fat rush..more if it's low quality. But that's where my habit is it.. since my relapse a few months ago, I've been using everyday, probably almost 2 grams a day.. so what you can handle is going to be much different than what I could. If you've been clean... I'd start at the absolute minimum dose you've ever used and then titrate up as needed. When you're coming back from a period of sobriety, tester shots will save your life.


And, tar does break down in water..but not as easy as east coast powder, which is why a lot of people add heat to their mix. However, that isn't advised as it allows for inactive cuts to be dissolved into your mix as well. The tar will break down in just room temperature water alone..it may just take a bit more time.

 

[gwencooper]

Oh please, I was just kidding, really. I really didn't want or expect you to post a picture. Please take it down if it makes you feel uncomfortable. I don't want you to mistake my joking for immaturity.

But yes you are a beautiful woman. Go ahead and take them down, don't put yourself in a predicament where you feel unsafe posting pics.

And no reason to say "Go easy" - you should feel more secure in your looks, trust me you're a great looking woman.

**EDITED** I took the pictures out of the quote this way you can remove them and not still have them in a post.

Thanks Smok3y, you're a doll. Meanwhile, I had a little too much to drink last night. Why don't we chalk that one up to "PUI" - Posting Under the Influence...

And yeah, I know I'm still viable as a hottie, but I'm just getting old....
Gwen, hungover.

 

[jeebis]

well this sucks. missed out on going to my favorite music festival this weekend because a good friend passed a way and i didnt get my shit ready in time.

on the plus side, atleast ive consistently been getting good dope from my connect. i love when i can trade my over-prescribed meds for bags. I also found out that the medication im just starting for my bipolarness is a potentiator and preventer of tolerance (as it's an nmda agonist) it's nice :D. im already noticing my normal dose of the same batch of stuff is starting to shrink. score.

 

[Welderman]

Thank you I am in southgate, I actually got one of the few good hotels. I'm thinking about going to Dearborn for the rest of the time, I heard it nice around there...

Good idea about driving with the doors locked its so disturbing to know we really have to do that wtf

Dearborne has the largest muslim population in the world besides the middle east. I personally would go somewhere else. If you like hockey the hockeytown cafe is full of red wings shit.

 

[gwencooper]

Thank you I am in southgate, I actually got one of the few good hotels. I'm thinking about going to Dearborn for the rest of the time, I heard it nice around there...

Good idea about driving with the doors locked its so disturbing to know we really have to do that wtf

So Kayla, are you in Detroit? A long time ago I was on tour with a band and they played in Hamtramak (sp?). It was a really cute part of town - was told at the time it was an "oasis in the middle of the city' full of art galleries, cafes, rock clubs and hipster/college student types. If that place still exists you should check it out? Be safe, sister!
Gwen

 

[SM0K3Y]

Are you asking so you can base how much you should do? Because, there are a lot of factors at play here... if it's decent-good dope, I personally shoot five-six bags seven or eight if I'm in the mood for a fat rush..more if it's low quality. But that's where my habit is it.. since my relapse a few months ago, I've been using everyday, probably almost 2 grams a day.. so what you can handle is going to be much different than what I could. If you've been clean... I'd start at the absolute minimum dose you've ever used and then titrate up as needed. When you're coming back from a period of sobriety, tester shots will save your life.


And, tar does break down in water..but not as easy as east coast powder, which is why a lot of people add heat to their mix. However, that isn't advised as it allows for inactive cuts to be dissolved into your mix as well. The tar will break down in just room temperature water alone..it may just take a bit more time.

No, I already know how much I do, and how much I can handle. I just wanted to see where I was at as far as my tolerance goes compared to other junkies. I know junkies that are good on 1 or 2 bags for quite a few hours. Unfortunately I am not...

And it looks like I was correct in all my assumptions about west coast tar if everything you're saying is true. I basically assumed everything you said, was just looking for confirmation.

Also if you are doing 8 bags, how many mL's of water are you using?? The bags that I get are so fat that I have to use at least 8 mL's per bag, usually 10. I posted pics in the last heroin discussion I think. It may have been this one. I'll go back and find the pics later and repost. Anyway so how many ML's per bag usually?

Thanks Smok3y, you're a doll. Meanwhile, I had a little too much to drink last night. Why don't we chalk that one up to "PUI" - Posting Under the Influence...

And yeah, I know I'm still viable as a hottie, but I'm just getting old....
Gwen, hungover.

Ha, that's no biggy.

And age is only a number, and you are only as old as you let yourself be. You still look great, and as long as you feel great that's all that matters.

well this sucks. missed out on going to my favorite music festival this weekend because a good friend passed a way and i didnt get my shit ready in time.

My condolences for the loss of your friend. Was it drug related if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Also if you are doing 8 bags, how many mL's of water are you using?? The bags that I get are so fat that I have to use at least 8 mL's per bag, usually 10. I posted pics in the last heroin discussion I think. It may have been this one. I'll go back and find the pics later and repost. Anyway so how many ML's per bag usually?

You mean how many units? I use a 1cc rig, that's 1 ml. 1cc=1ml. Heroin is super water soluble, so you can dissolve a shit ton of heroin in just 50 units of water. Bigger shots, like 8 bags or so, I normally use between 50-80 units. So, I don't know what you mean when you said you usually use 8ml's per bag.. I'm assuming you meant units.. so if that'e the case, then you should have no trouble because 8 units of water is not a lot at all.. you can fit a lot of heroin into 100 units, or 1ml or water.

 

[xdefeatsy]

Re: Tar

As far as I know from people who are familiar with west coast tar, we get an entirely different batch here in Columbus. It makes sense because the stuff here is from an independent Mexican cell that only pays the Sinaloa cartel for smuggling routes, aside from that the cell handles everything else. In a lot of other cities where Mexicans control the trade, you can also ask for "blanca" or "cristal" (coke or meth) when you order but here they only deal in "negra" (tar). From what I have read and from my own experiences, 1 bag of Columbus tar (.07-0.1) is roughly equivalent to 3-5 bags of west coast tar of the same weight. Most people here shoot it or smoke it. Personally, I snort it. I have shot it but after a few times, couldn't bring myself to do it anymore because I saw what it was doing to my friends' veins and just decided against it. Smoking it is actually pretty efficient once you get your chasing technique down but it also doesn't last very long. I get a lot of shit for snorting my tar but I think, all things considered, it's probably the best way to consume my dope. I never heat my tar because I know it'll still dissolve in cold water just fine and heating tends to burn off some of the 6-MAM. That's why I prefer to get dope from people who don't shoot because they don't really have a good gauge on quality like Snorters and Smokers do. It dissolves just fine in water, it just takes a little longer than powder does -- 5 minutes tops. I just take some tweezers or the plunger on a syringe and stir vigorously until my little brownish-black blob is gone. Once in a while you'll get a batch that dissolves into a really dark brown color and has some specks still floating in the solution, in my experience that tends to be low grade dope and burns a lot worse. Good tar should dissolve into a light golden, straw-like color and be translucent. The vinegar smell/taste isn't as profound and doesn't burn quite as bad.

I know there are quite a few ways people snort their tar. After doing primarily tar for 5 of the past 7 years, I can say that I've tried just about every method. The one I've found to be most effective is to just take a pair of scissors and cut the needle tip off a syringe (the ones I get are just 1cc/1ml diabetic rigs). Just take up the solution from the plastic bottle cap you mixed in and do little bursts in each nostril like you would with a nasal spray for allergies. I massage each nostril gently afterwards and it's not very long before I'm feeling real nice. I know people who don't have access to rigs will just take a straw and snort the water out of the cap. This method works but more of it tends to drip down your throat before being absorbed by the mucus membranes.

Thankfully I've got some chunks of "raw" that I can mess with. It's nice to snort some good powder again and not have to worry about a burn or my nostrils getting clogged up.

 

[xdefeatsy]

Tar: i have seen people snort tar but it was the sludge kind. have you seen the sludge its like a black thick liquid you drip in your nose, it burns really bad..?

I've had tar like that, unfortunately. It takes longer than normal tar to dissolve completely and just becomes this nearly-black, opaque liquid that barely will get taken up in a rig. It burns like all hell but actually it seems to be about 50/50 in terms of quality. I've had stuff like that which ended up being really bunk and a complete waste of money -- but I've also had stuff like that which ended up being pretty good (despite tearing up from the burn). It's not very common to get that stuff here unless the Mexis are running low on product and are forced to buy the cartel tar which seems to be a lower grade in my experience. Most of the stuff here is just dark brown gooey blobs that don't smell as much like vinegar. It doesn't burn quite as bad and dissolves into a nice golden straw color liquid.