12th Issue Heroin Discussion v. livin' on the run for so long I gotta go collect

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What happened to the kid you were getting just the one bag off of..the one that was cool with givin you just one bag

Just last night I found out about 4 people I used to hang around with but stopped cause we had problems are now all dope fiends..makes since cause when I stopped talkin to them they were hooked on norcos and shit but I didn't think they would make the jump..from all I know they just snorting but my guess its only a matter of time til the needle comes out, I know they aren't as strong willed like me..

It was cool I seen like my bestfriemd growin up who I haven't seen in 2years and he was just tellin me how fucked up all these kids are now..then I was like "if dope was popular back in highschool we would all be stickin needles in our arms or dead and he totalled agreed..we where the druggies but it was mainly coke and weed, rolls and shrooms..then when I was like a junior or senior people started getting into pills and how its all dope..coke used to be looked down upon with other people but it was tolerated, its like how dope is now though and its scary.
 
Unusually Pure Bay Area H

I'm come into reliable contact with this hop that is a huge departure from what I've come to expect from california Heroin. Usually it's sticky tar that's cut to shit with molasses or coffee grounds.

It's light grey and has the consistency of wet sand; dissolves in a spoon with NO heat. My man just calls it "hop" and it's fucking amazing. It's an entirely cerebral opiate high.

Has anyone encountered this stuff? Does it sound like the real deal...diacetylmorphone (ive never had east coast shit), unlike the 6-MAM in tar? I've gotten zips of "gunpowder" but this stuff doesn't harden when breathed on. I guess I'm wondering if I've stumbled upon a goldmine and should savor it while it's around or if people on the West Coast have gotten something similar for a while. I can't get over how obscure this stuff is.
 
kinda like in my area. dope is demonized as all hell, yet pills, coke, and getting belligerently fucked up on benzos and booze is ok and starts earlier in high school.

last night i had to be careful after my set because i brought a good .3 along and the other dj's were looking at me weird while blowing oxys. im sorry i'd rather not drop 80 dollars to nod like a bastard. lol.

just walked back from the local head shop. 50x kratom caps back in stock. fuck you, withdrawals. 3 caps + 1mg klonopin + 2 g's of some funky skunk i got puts the next day cravings and chills on hold. decent buzz, too. lol. kratom is odd for me. with the higher extracts i either have 0 withdrawals or i can even catch a little nod on them. i dont mind either way
 
Ive seen that up in Oregon before, I thought it is pretty legit and Ive used H over 10 years.. there is some east coast style powder making rounds in my city as well
 
chinky said:
It was cool I seen like my bestfriemd growin up who I haven't seen in 2years and he was just tellin me how fucked up all these kids are now..then I was like "if dope was popular back in highschool we would all be stickin needles in our arms or dead and he totalled agreed..we where the druggies but it was mainly coke and weed, rolls and shrooms..then when I was like a junior or senior people started getting into pills and how its all dope..coke used to be looked down upon with other people but it was tolerated, its like how dope is now though and its scary.
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Oh yeah man this is so true, that's the exact same thing for me too
 
my highschool doesnt even use the police dogs for weed in school they use them to find heroin..i guess they had 2 kids OD the past school year, and i know this one girl got caught with 16 bags n her bra and from what my friends little brother sad the girl would sell at least that much dope in school everyday, basically a jab and she was charging a dub a bag, so she was doubling her money on everybag and really making alot of cash..she was actually tripling her money on every jab cause by gettng a jab they throw 3-4 bags in for free..and from what i was told she sold like a jab a day in school and did if for a long time until those kids OD and thats when people started talking and

when i was in highshool i knew like 3-4 people who did dope, only 1 of them was a friend and the rest were older but remeber sitting next to ths girl and she would snort lines in the back of the classroom everytime we watched a movie or the lights went out..i was no angel cause i used to smoke weed in school and we would also pass bullets around, and one time we took a bunch of triple Cs ( i got really fucked up on that)..but once my one friend got into dope, he tried getttin us nto it and we all tried it at least once cause thats what we dd back then but it was too strong and no one really liked it, we went really into pills and opiates yet so we didnt know anyhting about it, we just liked our weed and coke and alcohol more but after that, after we tred it we where like this kid is just gonna bring us down and so we dropped him

he then proceded to get his next group of friends into it and the ones thats are still alive are hooked on it still, except for the kd who got it all started, he actually got clean a year of 2 ago because he was sick of goin to funerals for dope and knew he had something to do with those people getting into dope in the first place..so he got clean cause his mind was playin with him, and really got depressed but somehow he got clean but hes still got prolly 50people he introduced to t (atleast) over the years and like atleast 4-5 of those people are dead

but back then like i said people wernt really into pills yet, so dope was the first opiate alot of people tried..then there was afew years when pills like oxys and percs and OCs got popular and a few like me made the switch to dope caue manly the prices just shot up..now prices are so high on pills, kds dont even have a chance to try them and they are just goin sctraight to dope..and its bc they can buy a single bag and get 2 people high off it cause they have no tolerance

we did so many drugs back then that i have no doubt i would have been dead or shooting shit, and my listf people who have OD wouldnt be at 10, it would be at least double..i dont know a sngle person who has died from violence or a car crash, or cancer or war or anything except for dope, its unreal really
 
though I don't (yet) do H, IME when you come across the 'type' of dope you like, it is usually a good idea to stock up on that for your own well being. Do you find that you can use less than you would otherwise have to?
 
Im on the east coast and we have that and some gravel going around right now and the guy I get mine from sells to quite a few people from the west on a regular. One guy I know for a fact comes from bakersfield to stock up and head back. So Im sure its out there. Just like we head to the west for certian things people from out there head to the east for our dope. Enjoy and be safe man, its a whole different ball game than most tar.(although Ive had some killer tar easily on the same level if not stronger) but just be safe.
 
chinky said:
What happened to the kid you were getting just the one bag off of..the one that was cool with givin you just one bag.
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He's the one that I mentioned got arrested last week. I was gonna just get 2 bags and someone else was in the 2 seat pickup truck so I didn't go for the ride, and they both ended up getting arrested along with the dealer. I actually got a call today from that middleman who I went through once and there was the whole argument since he was overcharging everyone in the car a lot, and they were all pissed, then I bounced and he ran out of gas. I'm sure you remember the story.

Well he called me today saying how he got out of detox and was doing alright for a few weeks but is back at it, and he said he's got some stuff from Queens that is good, but I told him he can't help me since I get it for a lot cheaper elsewhere, hell, probably even cheaper than he pays, so even if he didn't tax me (yea right) I would still be paying more through him. I might have considered getting a bag or 2 from him in a pinch since I work down the block from his house, but he called me from his dads cell today, saying how I really can't call him back on their so would need to set things up on days when he calls me. Apparently his parents took away his cell or some shit, since they know all the people he deals with know that number, and he's got their numbers in there, so they took it away thinking it would help keep him straight.

That was his second time going to detox since February or early March, and he's already back on dope. He's always gotten in trouble for dealing and other stupid shit since he was young, so usually ended up in some sort of drug program once a year or every couple of years, but since he started shooting up this year he's really lost control of things. He switched to the needle right around the same time as the other kid that I just mentioned got popped recently, so the reminders of why I'm not switching from snorting to shooting are constantly there.
 
Welderman said:
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Also I don't think I know what psytrance or psydub even sounds like.
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i have a feeling it's psychadelic dance music - hence, psytrance (psych trance electro) or psychdub (psychadelic electro reggae-like dub).
however I could be very wrong, as I am very square when it comes to electro/dance music. i'm an old (old!) new waver/power popper!
 
Whats up everyone? New to the thread, not to the site. I got on a sober kick for awhile and then went back and did some more time on my state bid when they caught me. Made parole again and the cycle is picking back up. I feel good about it this time though. I had 15months clean time in and used once when I got out and OD'ed on the first shot from some fire and then I was sober again after that. Im tryin to put the pieces back together right now. And its going fuckin great. But I did fall back off the wagon. But so far it hasnt been gettin in the way. Im only using every few days when Im out with some friends. Trying to keep it under control, we'll see how it goes.

But anyway, Im down here in Ky. So if I want stamps I got to travel for em. But we do have some amazing gravel.
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Well everyone take care and be safe. Ill be around more often since Im not letting to many people in my RL know Im using again. So this is my safe haven to talk about it. Be easy everyone.
 
The current dope game in NY

Here is the current state of the dope game in New York. I've got the two kinds of bags most common in the area, and have pictures to compare them. It used to be that you always got stamped bags that were individually stamped, taped, and rubber-banded into bundles. That kind of market still exists, but more recently these blank bags have appeared. They are usually colors instead of white, they don't have a stamp, and instead of each one being folded and taped shut, they are all folded together and then just rubber-banded like that. Some of them are folded and taped like normal, and only differ from stamp bags in that they don't have a stamp on them.

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So to the left you have your traditional stamp bag, which is folded and taped shut, has a stamp name on it, and the bundle had the 10 bags stacked on top of one another and then had the rubber band holding the 10 bags together. The one on the right has no stamp, wasn't taped shut, and had been folded together with the other bags from the bundle, although I only had one bag left of each so couldn't show that.

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Another difference is the width of the bag. The stamped ones I get are usually wider, which you can see in this picture.

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One of the other differences is the amount of dope per bag. This picture isn't that clear, but you can still see that the contents of the bag on the left are a lot more than that of the bag on the right. I ripped the bags just above the first fold before emptying them out, so that's why they may look different than before. These are pretty accurate portrayals of the size and style of the traditional stamp bag vs the newer trend of blank stamp bags since these bags are about average for their styles.

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Here are a few more pictures that show the amount of dope in the 'Hit or Miss' bags, while they are still closed and taped shut. I held one up to the light so you can see that it's just about filled to the fold without any open space, and in the others you can see that the dope takes up all the space in the fold, which is what you hope to see when you get bags.

In NY it has been my experience that the stamp bags like the 'Hit or Miss' that I have pictured above are usually better than the blanks, and bigger too. That and the stamped dope stays the same for a long time, so you have brand loyalty which is the whole purpose of a stamp. That's not to say that I haven't gotten some fire blank bags, but the size is usually small (the bag size itself is smaller, so that doesn't help) and the quality usually changes every couple of weeks or maybe a month or so at most.

If I had to guess I would say that the crews selling the blank bags are running smaller operations, as opposed to the big organizations that will get dope by the kilo and bag/stamp it up so the batch is the same for many thousands of bags. One of the people I know that has been getting blanks from their source for a year has always gotten decent/average dope, but I'm usually not happy with the quantity, but as far as blanks go these days they are a decent size.
 
Tommy,

Man, our bags have always been taped, but the bags we get are more in the style of the red bag than the "hit or miss," though we get both. The bags are a little skinnier in width, like the red bag, and there is usually less powder in those bags than the wider bags.

It has always been my understanding that these smaller bags like the red bag are Jersey bags and the wider ones with more unique stamps are the NY bags. It's funny, though, because you copped these bags in NY so I know that they're kicking around there as well. (I was unsure, but now I guess I know...)

I know where my guy goes to pick up, and he goes to Jersey, so I know that the bags I tend to get are from Jersey. They just change the stamps up constantly, and so it's rare for us to even get the same stamps as a lot of the Jersey folks. They're usually white bags, not colored bags, and they're usually stamped in red with nothing more on them than some stupid text like "24/7" or "next level" or "chris brown" lol but again, they're the skinnier bags, and they're just very unoriginal.

I suppose that it's a crew that just bangs out a ton of stamps... fortunately, the quality is usually pretty good and I'm surprised that the red bag you got wasn't any better. I mean, despite having just 30 mg or so in each bag, the dope is usually really white and fluffy and pretty strong.

I know immediately when we come across a stamp from NY. The bags are more like the "hit or miss" where they're a little wider, a little more professional-looking, and the stamp is a little more original usually with a graphic and not just text.
 
verso said:
Tommy,

Man, our bags have always been taped, but the bags we get are more in the style of the red bag than the "hit or miss," though we get both. The bags are a little skinnier in width, like the red bag, and there is usually less powder in those bags than the wider bags.

It has always been my understanding that these smaller bags like the red bag are Jersey bags and the wider ones with more unique stamps are the NY bags. It's funny, though, because you copped these bags in NY so I know that they're kicking around there as well. (I was unsure, but now I guess I know...)

I know where my guy goes to pick up, and he goes to Jersey, so I know that the bags I tend to get are from Jersey. They just change the stamps up constantly, and so it's rare for us to even get the same stamps as a lot of the Jersey folks. They're usually white bags, not colored bags, and they're usually stamped in red with nothing more on them than some stupid text like "24/7" or "next level" or "chris brown" lol but again, they're the skinnier bags, and they're just very unoriginal.

I suppose that it's a crew that just bangs out a ton of stamps... fortunately, the quality is usually pretty good and I'm surprised that the red bag you got wasn't any better. I mean, despite having just 30 mg or so in each bag, the dope is usually really white and fluffy and pretty strong.

I know immediately when we come across a stamp from NY. The bags are more like the "hit or miss" where they're a little wider, a little more professional-looking, and the stamp is a little more original usually with a graphic and not just text.
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The blank bags are sold at some head shops, so that's another reason why I associate them more with lower level dealers. I doubt that higher level drug rings are going to head shops to buy them, and I also doubt that these head shops would have the amount they need in stock, and placing an order for a large amount through them wouldn't be a smart thing to do. So while they are one of they ways that people sell dope here, it's probably just someone picking up 1/8 - 1/4 oz to bag and sell themselves. I doubt that any of the higher level operations have switched over to using the colored blank bags and done away with taping the bags to just fold them and rubber-band the bundles together to keep up with this new trend.

Some people in NY will never come across any blank bags because if they have a few solid connects then they aren't going to be looking for more, and all of the solid connects have the wider stamped bags, and also they wouldn't go back to any of these dealers with these smaller bags if they are used to ones twice the size. The person with the Hit or Miss and most of the other stamps I've gotten was also selling grams, and a "friend" told me that he was getting the grams for someone through that guy, and the person was making more than 2 bundles per gram, and bagging them in blank bags. I don't know if they were cutting the grams to make the bags weigh more or not, but they could get away with not cutting them and selling .05 bag in the burbs.

I still find it funny when I see people talking about how they cop dope in the region, and I see them saying things like "the average stamp bags in the northeast weigh .1" or "my habit is about a gram/day since I've been using a bundle/day and a bundle weighs about a gram." I know that Smok3ys bags from Camden weigh .1 or so since he's weighed them out and they come to 100mg+ but it's not like that in the rest of the northeast. I would say that the Hit or Miss bags weight 70-80mg, making that red bag around half that.

That's just my guess after comparing it by memory to the couple of bags that I have seen weighed out to a point a while back, one just above and the other just below, and these bags aren't that much smaller than them. I have to give them credit though with how strong these bags are considering the small size. I had blanks a few weeks ago that were about on par with that red blank in terms of size, yet sniffing 3 me nodding. And with the Hit or Miss sniffing 2 had me nodding, and after sniffing 4 over 8 hours I was throwing up from how high it got me. It's nice to know that I can actually get a decent high off of one of these Hit or Miss bags, and the legs are so long that even if I wait 4 hours to sniff the next bag, it will still be adding onto the high from the first bag.
 
Yeah i get similar size bags.... 1 inch or 1 inch & a quarter size bags.....

The 1 inch & a quarter size bags are always fatter and higher quality than the 1 inch bags....
 
^Not to derail the thread, but your username leads me to believe that you're 16 years old, you don't need to be taking heroin at that age, be careful please <3
 
Vader said:
^Not to derail the thread, but your username leads me to believe that you're 16 years old, you don't need to be taking heroin at that age, be careful please <3
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Closer to 19 and I've been using opiates for a few years, wasn't meaning to derail the thread. Its just astounding to me how the quality of heroin can vary over a single country let alone different continents. For example in France apparently the average is 35% heroin if its 'good' ( no personal experience of this) whilst in some areas in the US its been tested and found to be nearer 70% in some bags. May I ask what my username has to do with my age?
 
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