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Bupe 12 mg of subutex and still wd
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shroomster
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No. Your receptors are flooded with bupe. You likely wouldn't feel any different at all, if not go further into WD. Don't waste your time / money.
Where did you get this subutex? I can't imagine 12mg of it not working
The most important thing here is to know HOW LONG after your last heroin dosage you took the subutex-
If it was less than 48 hours, it is possible you are in a precipitated withdrawal, and should definitely not redose anymore of subutex, OR heroin, because it will have no effect or just make things worse.
If it was less than 48 hours, it is possible you are in a precipitated withdrawal, and should definitely not redose anymore of subutex, OR heroin, because it will have no effect or just make things worse.
get it out man fuck that shit you got to pay the price im a girl and just used the thomas recipe and I wanted to kill myself. Subs is just another extension of your addiction. I dont believe in weaning off you should drop it cold turkey even with benzos (only if you took very large doses) weaning under doctor supervision is advisable. I dropped both oppies and valiums (450 mg habit)
still have the chills but fuck thats what u get after using something that they prescribe to people that have cancer, im talking oppies in general heroin dont even know shit about it, still sub is not the option and from what i heard oc withdrawal is worse than h
killacali000
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that's stupid don't suggest someone ct from benzos that is life threatening advice
szuko000
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If you received 12mg of Bupe you really cant do any dope, it will have no effect. Also as someone else said you might be in PWD if you did not wait enough time because bupe has a lower activation energy and the adjustment will put you in withdrawal. All you can do is ride it out I know thats hard but only time will help.
Subutex is a great alternative to heroin addiction and has statistics to back it up, please don't blindly advise cold turkey withdrawals without first understanding the severity of side effects possible from said withdrawal (although sometimes, that is the best route to go).
vajeeh
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12mg of buprenorphine is more than enough to bring you out of withdrawal. I had a huge heroin habit and I was more than fine inducing to bupe with 8mg.
If you feel like you are still ill after taking that, then you either are using a poor sublingual technique, or you are having anxiety which is increasing the perception of feeling unwell.
Make sure that when you take the subutex, that your mouth is as dry as possible. Using mouthwash and brushing your teeth a few minutes prior to taking it, will increase bioavailability and absorption. Let it dissolve for at least 10-15 minutes, followed by another good 10-15 minutes of swishing the bupe-saliva solution in your mouth like mouthwash, before swallowing.
When I started doing this, I was able to not only feel a very huge difference, but I was able to cut my dose from 8mg to 4mg, while feeling more on 4mg while using this technique, then I felt with 8mg while not using that technique.
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And in reference to someone here trying to advise you to go cold turkey and just stop, it isn't very practical. Of course if we could have, we would have. Saying it is easier than done...and those who have dealt with a heavy opiate habit, has a better chance of making something positive out of their life while being on a maintenance med like buprenorphine, then the alternative which means dealing with PAWS, cravings, depression, anxiety...and everything else which happens physiologically to a person going through PAWS/Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome. With opiates...it's not just stopping the substance and resuming normal life. Neurological changes have occurred in the brain which will cause an addict to suffer malaise and other miserable symptoms.
I hope it ends up working out well for you. I've done well with suboxone personally. I had a huge IV heroin habit, between half a gram to a gram daily of eastcoast (Baltimore) powder. And I've been taking suboxone once daily for quite some time and have been able to put aside cravings and build my life back up. There is nothing wrong with doing so, despite others who say its trading one addiction for another, that is completely not the case. My heroin addiction looks absolutely nothing like simply taking a suboxone when I wake up, and going about my day.
If you feel like you are still ill after taking that, then you either are using a poor sublingual technique, or you are having anxiety which is increasing the perception of feeling unwell.
Make sure that when you take the subutex, that your mouth is as dry as possible. Using mouthwash and brushing your teeth a few minutes prior to taking it, will increase bioavailability and absorption. Let it dissolve for at least 10-15 minutes, followed by another good 10-15 minutes of swishing the bupe-saliva solution in your mouth like mouthwash, before swallowing.
When I started doing this, I was able to not only feel a very huge difference, but I was able to cut my dose from 8mg to 4mg, while feeling more on 4mg while using this technique, then I felt with 8mg while not using that technique.
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And in reference to someone here trying to advise you to go cold turkey and just stop, it isn't very practical. Of course if we could have, we would have. Saying it is easier than done...and those who have dealt with a heavy opiate habit, has a better chance of making something positive out of their life while being on a maintenance med like buprenorphine, then the alternative which means dealing with PAWS, cravings, depression, anxiety...and everything else which happens physiologically to a person going through PAWS/Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome. With opiates...it's not just stopping the substance and resuming normal life. Neurological changes have occurred in the brain which will cause an addict to suffer malaise and other miserable symptoms.
I hope it ends up working out well for you. I've done well with suboxone personally. I had a huge IV heroin habit, between half a gram to a gram daily of eastcoast (Baltimore) powder. And I've been taking suboxone once daily for quite some time and have been able to put aside cravings and build my life back up. There is nothing wrong with doing so, despite others who say its trading one addiction for another, that is completely not the case. My heroin addiction looks absolutely nothing like simply taking a suboxone when I wake up, and going about my day.
shroomster
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In the future you will want to do the following things, OP :
Abstain from all opiates at least 24 in advance before dosing your suboxone or subutex.
Abstain from all opiates for at least 36 hours (this is arguable. Some say 12, some 24) after last dose of bupe (suboxone or subutex). <<<this will save you money and frustration
Abstain from all opiates at least 24 in advance before dosing your suboxone or subutex.
Abstain from all opiates for at least 36 hours (this is arguable. Some say 12, some 24) after last dose of bupe (suboxone or subutex). <<<this will save you money and frustration
mostly-human
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Actually, in my experience, taking a big dose of heroin in this situation WILL make the WD go away (though you definitely will NOT get stoned, not even a little bit).
However - this is just was suboxone is like the first couple days, going from a strong agonist like heorin. Taking more suboxone won't help either.. Just gotta deal with it for 2-3 days, then you level out and you'l be fine. In my experience, the first 2-3 days switching from heroin to suboxone I can still get to work and such, but I feel pretty fucking shitty. Then after two or three days, I start to level out and feel better and after about 2-3 weeks I start to feel like I'm normal/sober - albeit, with less energy and it's harder to get out of bed in the morning.
Methadone is definitely a bit easier when you make the jump from heroin, you can find the right dose and basically avert your WD altogether.
mostly-human
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It is actually really common.. When I made the jump, a year or so back, 12mg definitely didn't 'hold' me, it was enough that I could get about my day, but I felt absolutely awful, I was sweaty, cold, etc.. But - Wasn't utterly bed-ridden, like I would have been without the sub. It just takes a couple days to make the switch, there's no way to avoid it really.
Dont do H,its prolly completely blocked by the subs.
Yeah as above poster mentions the first days are weird,Subs are gonna prevent hard WDs,you wont be rolling on the floor screaming out of pain but dont expect to be 100% either.
Try to workout,fuck,eat,pop one benzo and generally be in good spirits,thinking about using full agonists like H or Oxys wont help..
Yeah as above poster mentions the first days are weird,Subs are gonna prevent hard WDs,you wont be rolling on the floor screaming out of pain but dont expect to be 100% either.
Try to workout,fuck,eat,pop one benzo and generally be in good spirits,thinking about using full agonists like H or Oxys wont help..
ksralyv2mch
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Hey man I'm going to be there soon, I got one 8mg suboxone strip, something you should look into is using cimetidine with your subs.. apparently it has a decent potentiating affect.... also I'm going to be taking valium and gabapentin on top of my suboxone so I figure my withdrawal wont be too bad...
Harrisment
Bluelighter
I'm currently on day 2 of subs (again) after getting up to a 400mg/day Oxycodone habit. This is my 3rd time getting on subs, and god willing, my last time. Induction gets harder every time.
As others have mentioned, the first few days on sub still suck. They aren't as bad as cold turkey w/d's, but you are sure as hell still going to feel like hell. I spent the entire day yesterday with zero energy and a ton of anxiety. Luckily I have benzos to help, because I've tried it before without benzos and gave up after the first day. After you get through the first few day, you will feel better so you just have to ride it out. I'm on day 2 now of subs, and feel a ton better than I did yesterday. Still dealing with the hot flashes and some anxiety, but I feel a hell of a lot better than yesterday. During my only "successful" (meaning lasted more than a day before I gave up) stint with subs, I managed to stay on them for 2 weeks and honestly felt great by that point. I was an idiot to ever switch back to a full agonist and wish I never had. Just stick with it OP, and feel free to PM me if you need someone to chat with that is currently going through the same thing.
Finally, as others have pointed out, don't bother with trying to do H or any other full agonist at this point. I've been down that road several times, and have found it takes a good 48 hours after stopping subs before I'm able to get a buzz off of anything else. It will stop your w/d's, but that's about it. Not worth the money at all.
As others have mentioned, the first few days on sub still suck. They aren't as bad as cold turkey w/d's, but you are sure as hell still going to feel like hell. I spent the entire day yesterday with zero energy and a ton of anxiety. Luckily I have benzos to help, because I've tried it before without benzos and gave up after the first day. After you get through the first few day, you will feel better so you just have to ride it out. I'm on day 2 now of subs, and feel a ton better than I did yesterday. Still dealing with the hot flashes and some anxiety, but I feel a hell of a lot better than yesterday. During my only "successful" (meaning lasted more than a day before I gave up) stint with subs, I managed to stay on them for 2 weeks and honestly felt great by that point. I was an idiot to ever switch back to a full agonist and wish I never had. Just stick with it OP, and feel free to PM me if you need someone to chat with that is currently going through the same thing.
Finally, as others have pointed out, don't bother with trying to do H or any other full agonist at this point. I've been down that road several times, and have found it takes a good 48 hours after stopping subs before I'm able to get a buzz off of anything else. It will stop your w/d's, but that's about it. Not worth the money at all.
shroomster
Bluelighter
that's really crazy / scary
Hahaha no it's not. I am not discounting your experience, but you can't assume its like that for everyone. When I went from shooting 1.5 grams of heroin per day onto suboxone, I barely got any relief from the sub at all the first 2 days. It allowed me to get out of bed and eat a little bit, that's all. Aside from that, it was full on withdrawal. Then, like others have said, things level out and you adjust to the sub.
shroomster
Bluelighter
That's awful, man. I was dosing about half a gram per day for a couple of weeks and that scared me. I can't imagine using so much dope - not because it sounds undoable (it's way too easy to do, IMO), but because the strain on finances, relationships and motivation to do life would be washed away completely for me. The scary part about opiates is that increasing the dose and/or frequency of dose happens so rapidly and for many of us, functioning on opiates is easy and fluid, perhaps even easier. It's only when the money, sources or strained relationships begin to culminate that life starts falling apart, and it falls a part FAST
HIm i unfortunaly went that day to do H, I was not having pwd, it simply did not take all thw wd sythoms like it did in the past (but i ad a lkower tolerance), i did a gram and i can say that the headaches and chills passed, since then i've been doing heroin,m the next day still haen't felt it much.. just made me "normal". TOmorrow i will start one more try, in this 4/5 days i've done less than the 1,5/2 grams i did before i toke the subutex.. i did a short heroin dose this night, i will wake up in wd, most certanly.. i have to have the strebght to do the right option and start doing the subs, i'm also thinking of doind benzons and tramal in the first day, to avoid taking the sub too early. I was thinking in this taper: 12/8/4/4/2/2/ and leave....
Hope this is the one, it was an horrible year with heroin, after more than 5 years clean... keep your fingers crossed for me, if you want. I will informe you of what's hapenning... i think i an really focused, but as we all know, it's easy to be focused when the wd still haven't appear.... but i think i'm ready.. 2015 no heroin!
Cheers and a great year to you all
Hope this is the one, it was an horrible year with heroin, after more than 5 years clean... keep your fingers crossed for me, if you want. I will informe you of what's hapenning... i think i an really focused, but as we all know, it's easy to be focused when the wd still haven't appear.... but i think i'm ready.. 2015 no heroin!
Cheers and a great year to you all