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someguyontheinternet said:
Yea I guess let's just ignore the official documentation from the aafp and we'll go on your word alone
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That's what you rely on. Gotta be told what to think by official sources, then try to use them against others who know better. It's like you need predetermined perameters of acceptible thought to be able to even function. Meanwhile, most of us that are male actually remember getting those physicals and why we got them
 
Just admit that you'll twist anything into something you can use for personally justifying men playing in women's sports since that is what you support and you'll do whatever to support your position
 
***** this is your flight attendant speaking******

------ say what you gotta say without attaching any kind of ad-hominem value judgements on another persons belief systems or thought processes, por favor-------

I know genitals have a tendency to get people worked up but lets all play nice
 
deficiT said:
***** this is your flight attendant speaking******

------ say what you gotta say without attaching any kind of ad-hominem value judgements on another persons belief systems or thought processes, por favor-------

I know genitals have a tendency to get people worked up but lets all play nice
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What's the specific issue/posts? I thought the thread was to express personal opinions views about the topic. I expect others to be able to confront me about the views/opinions I post here. Can you elaborate on what exactly happened that caused you to make this post?
 
Electrum1 said:
What's the specific issue/posts? I thought the thread was to express personal opinions views about the topic. I expect others to be able to confront me about the views/opinions I post here. Can you elaborate on what exactly happened that caused you to make this post?
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someguyontheinternet said:
Both of you seem to love posting nonsense without citations @mal3volent @Electrum1
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Electrum1 said:
Just admit that you'll twist anything into something you can use for personally justifying men playing in women's sports since that is what you support and you'll do whatever to support your position
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Electrum1 said:
What's the specific issue/posts? I thought the thread was to express personal opinions views about the topic. I expect others to be able to confront me about the views/opinions I post here. Can you elaborate on what exactly happened that caused you to make this post?
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And no its not really anything severe, im just saying, as yeah the ad-hominem bickering isnt helpful, and I dont wanna see things derail.
 
Electrum1 said:
I try to not name call, and pretty sure I'm good at not doing so, but let me know if I'm out of line I guess, instead of getting another point. I'm just me and try to express myself honestly
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Nah no one really called anyone any names, youre good man
 
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Jen X said:
So nudity to children is ok as long as it's in a pride festival?
Would you say the same for a creep to do it at an elementary school?
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I work at a music festival in Portugal every year. It's interesting to see how much non-sexual nudity occurs with children around, but it's just kind of a 'do as you will' sort of thing. People aren't doing anything explicit, most folks wear bathing suits when swimming, but some will go swimming or sunbathe with breasts or genitals uncovered. There's plenty of space around the lake so if parents who have their kids with them don't want to be around it, there are plenty of places to go where it's not an issue at all.

Being an American, I was intrigued by how uncontroversial this was. No one made a big deal about some titties or bitties being visible, and there was no weirdness about it expressed. In North America, we seem to be much more sensitive to nudity in general and I think it's because we both repress it and then over-sexualize it at the same time.

Children have been around nudity for eons and parents have navigated that exposure accordingly. Different folks have different comfort levels with it and raise their kids in accordance with it.

I do think that it can be tricky when existing controversial norms are being piped into your neighborhood. I think about this a lot with the recent increase in Drag Story Hour at libraries in the US - and the resulting bomb threats and Neo-Nazi groups turning up to antagonize/protest these events.

On the one hand, I think that calling in a bomb threat to a children's story hour is about the lowest form of human expression I can imagine - and on the other hand, I do think that simply calling the story hour "Costume Story Hour" or "Dress Up Stories" or something - removing the association entirely yet allowing it to proceed exactly as it has been, would take the air out of the room a bit.
 
alasdairm said:
ok, but we're not talking about some questions. we're talking about one specific question: "what are your preferred pronouns?"

help me understand how that can be triggering?



telling somebody "i'd rather not answer your question" is not being rude in return.

alasdair
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As a serious professional doing a job, it's extremely rude to imply I have to reveal my gender identity to a stranger/customer. I did not volunteer the conversation, nor could they know how comfortable I'd be answering or if I'd be an offended cisgender.
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Seriously, how can you not realize it's crossing a boundary to just LOOK at a total stranger and ask that.

"Gender presentation is often used interchangeably witsentation is how a person presents their gender externally, whethe
 
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"Gender presentation is often used interchangeably with gender expression. However, gender presentation is how a person presents their gender externally, whether they intend to or not. For example, someone might present as one gender when they actually identify with another.

Gender presentation is distinct from gender identity, which is a person's personal sense of their gender. Gender presentation can also differ from a person's assigned sex at birth. "
 
alasdairm said:
fair enough.

i maintain it's more respectful to ask than to assume. you disagree.

i'm happy to agree to disagree.

alasdair
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of course its more respectful to just go with what gender you think they look like unless you know someone, you act like asking what gender i am is like asking how to spell my name of if i'm a miss or a misses.
 
Electrum1 said:
Teens have physicals. They had me cough while touching my balls when I was like 12 or 13. That's all that's needed to make the determination of whether a student should be on Male or Female sports teams. It's not some nazi inspection using calipers to document specific measurements or anything
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What the literal fuck?

Teens (should) have annual physicals, yes; from their family DOCTOR. That is a completely separate thing from anything that should ever happen to any student on-campus. I'm pretty far removed from those years and don't know what's going on in schools these days with the republicans and their obsession with genital inspections. But sure as shit no teacher, administrator, or other school employee ever put their hand, or anything else, down MY pants. My parents made it crystal clear to me that any attempt to do so was absolutely intolerable and that, if they ever tried, I was to fight back by any and every means at my disposal... punch, choke, scratch, bite, gouge, use improvised weapons, break bones, slice them open, leave them beaten bruised and bloody, anything and everything to neutralize my attacker and would-be abuser as a threat and escape. And they made it equally clear that they would back me up 100% to the hilt if I ever had to do so.

The only "physicals" I ever experienced in school were head-lice screenings in elementary school; and, otherwise, the school nurse taking my temperature, looking at my throat with a flashlight, and checking if the skin on my forehead felt "clammy" when I went in feeling sick as a prerequisite to sending me home.
 
i'd be happy to agree to disagree if people didn't constantly bash their own fucking opinions into my disagreeing brain, but that is another matter for another time and i digress.
 
alasdairm said:
fair enough.

i maintain it's more respectful to ask than to assume. you disagree.

i'm happy to agree to disagree.

alasdair
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From the pov of a customer, and someone who is perfectly willing to refer to someone by whatever name and pronouns they prefer, I actually kind of agree that it's weird, awkward, and rude to ask strangers for their pronouns... even if they're wearing a nametag or something inviting me to do so.

Thing is... pronouns are used to refer to someone in the third person. It definitely IS weird and rude to address someone in the third person when you're talking to them. And I don't generally have any reason to talk about some random cashier or barista after-the-fact and outside of their presence where the third person would actually be appropriate. So why do I need to know them? And having had those sorts jobs in my past, I would also consider such personal questions to be nosy and inappropriate... and possibly harassment... coming from some random stranger. Idle workplace smalltalk between employee and customer should be about normal idle smalltalk topics, like the weather, current events, or the local sportsball team; not someone's sexual orientation or identity.
 
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