If you find yourself doing this often, perhaps the conclusion is that you're noticing things that might not be obvious or your might be noticing things through a distorted lense, so to speak. If it seems ever like everyone has it wrong except for you… it might be you in fact who has it wrong. Maybe, that's all I'm saying.
No, it was simply me being careless and not explaining myself sufficiently. No need to read into it any further than that. I was approaching this conversation in good faith but apparently something I said triggered you.
That's a specifically different thing you're talking. Obviously, in most cities it's illegal to expose yourself to anyone, especially children. There's no need for hypersensitivity.
Well lots of us don't think of it as hypersensitivity. We think of it as common sense.
You have first-hand experience with knowing "how many creeps there are out there and how deceptive they are?" And what, pray tell, gives you this experience, special knowledge and expertise in the field? Are you a "special victims unit" detective, a child psychologist, counselor, sometime like that?
I'm glad you are having fun with this man. Maybe spend a bit more time trying to comprehend what I'm trying to say rather than being sarcastic and playing semantic games.
Oh for chrissakes, why do we have drag bipartisan politics into this? I'm sure there are plenty of child molesters out there posing as straight, God-fearing, Jesus-loving, minority-hating, card-carrying Republican "Christian" folk who are undercover, hillbilly Chester-the-Molesters. You're cherry-picking a handful of fucked up stories involving purportedly gay or trans people who are also fucked pedophiles from what stories sound like, and then broadly painting "woke liberals" as being the enablers of this child abuse. It's finger-wagging at best and hypocritical at worst.
Yes this has been talked about extensively in the pedophilia thread. Our conversation should probably be moved there but whatever. I am gay and certified Not Transphobic™. My first ever vote was for Barry Obama. I grew up surrounded by Christian evangelicals and degenerate hillbillies , so I don't require a lecture on how bad both sides can be.
I'm not watching any of those videos; why are you? By that logic, snuff films exist and so does child pornography. These have nothing to do with gay people, straight people, black, white, asian, latin, trans, cis, et al.; it only has to do with criminal child abusers and grossly negligent parents. Drawing correllaries elsewhere is misguided foolishness.
The only relevance any of this has to the alphabet mafia is how some entities/individuals are using PRIDE™ as a vessel to hide all this shit in plain sight. Nothing to do with individuals or any particular sexual orientation.
I don't think you can safely or accurately make that assessment, and I suspect this opinion is biased. I mean: all adults? You tend to speak in absolutes.
This is The Dive™ so we are allowed to talk casually. I'm not going to obsess over every word especially if you aren't going to. By the way I never said "all" adults. You put that in there. I was making a general statement which I am allowed to do.
QED – more stereotyping and prejudice.
I'm prejudice against my own sex? No, I just live in reality and know for a fact that men are in general more sexual, more aggressive, and more predatory. That's biology. So go argue with a textbook not me.
Not quite. Children have been subjected to things like war, disease, famine, and—for a long time—a lack of child labor laws to protect children from exploitation. In the grand scope of things, children born today have much higher odds of avoiding these horrible fates. If the trade off is your kid inadvertently witnesses a mentally insane homeless person masturbating on a subway train, I think it won't devastate their little minds. People coddle their fucking children too much these days. The idea that anyone can completely shelter a child and then weeping over their supposed "lost innocence" is perhaps setting some unrealistic expectations. But then, I also don't care for the traditions of lying to children about Santa Claus / Father Christmas / Saint Nick / whatever that traditional blackface character is in Norway (Black Pete or something?), the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, Chupacabra, Babadook, and so on and so forth. Life is vexing enough without these layers of bullshit veiled on top of it all, ticking timebombs of eventual disappointment. No thanks.
If you have this cynical outlook of life why would you choose to have children anyway? If you are one of those people who won't even let your kid enjoy the harmless joy of Santa and Christmas, we aren't going to be friends in real life. I will shake your hand and respect you, but we just won't ever see eye to eye.
Did you know it's not uncommon for a child as young as 8 to sometimes accidentally discover masturbation well before they've hit puberty?
Kids discover a lot on their own. Self discovery and self introspection is a very important thing. What would an adult teaching an 8 year old little girl about masturbation look like? Would they swap techniques, would there be demonstrations, how hands on would everything be? Would the third grader finish studying for her spelling test before or after the masturbation lesson?
Who exactly are you speaking for here? I swear, I sincerely hope you're not referring to me with that insulting bullshit. I have no goddamn clue what videos you referred to earlier, but it would be appreciated if you'd be a bit more careful with whom you select to accuse of being too cowardly to stop child abuse if it's occurring. I'll be goddamned before I would ever knowingly let someone abuse anyone—man, woman, or child—especially if there's something I could do to prevent said abuse. Most humans are wired this way. Most humans will save a baby sitting on the side of a proverbial well should they come across the scene. Maybe some think it's naive, but I haven't lost faith in the essential decency of humanity. I won't let the actions of a few ruin it for everyone in my book. Of course I don't walk around with rose-tinted glasses, but condemning the entire male sex is absolutely pointless.
I never even came close to accusing you of anything. I know nothing about you. I was talking about society. I used "we" as in "as a society". So yeah, I guess maybe this is what brought on my flogging.
This is ridiculous and insulting to every single father out there who gets enough judgment passed on them everyday just by their kids' school system and gossipy, opinionated neighbors… And then you're gonna plop that steaming pile right on top of their heads as their trying to be the best parents they can? SMH
nah, it's really not ridiculous or insulting. Again it's just biological fact. Look up the violent crime statistics. Look up the sexual assault statistics. I said clearly that there are exceptions and that I'm not trying to demonize men...my own gender...what more do you want?
sensationalist shows like To Catch A Predator
That was a great show. Lots of creeps got exposed. It was sensational!
Yeah I probably didn't either, but regardless, it didn't fuck me up or traumatize me. My parents were young and this was the early 80s. They didn't know what they were doing fully, but nudity was never a big goddamn deal in my family. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They never molested me or anything like that, and I would appreciate if we didn't dip into personal insults regarding my family now. Thanks
EDIT: please, don't make me regret having shared something personal from my life with you all. That's not a good look, and I would expect better from a mod. EDIT2: Excuse me, I just noticed you're no longer a mod.
Why would I personally insult your family? I've already said like fifty times now that there are reasonable scenarios for nudity. My whole argument has been so distorted at this point it's unbelievable. But it's whatever, I will go on about my day. It's fine.
Thank you, dude. I laughed my ass off at that episode, too, for the exact same reason. These experiences seem both common and non-traumatizing.
I never said it was traumatizing. Bird is the word asked me if in some thread I said a child seeing an adult penis is traumatic. No, I didn't. Not even close. The video in question was some television show in Germany or France where they have an audience of children and they force them to stare at different kinds of people naked. These are children who have no say in the matter, being televised. I don't know what the point of that is.
That's exactly why I said earlier: "Please bear in mind, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion, @mal3volent.
yeah you did, and I appreciated that. I was completely civil and polite in my response. Nothing directed at you at all. But you misinterpreted lots of shit and started being very aggressive and confrontational.
Look idk, if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.
Same. Trying to offend people is not my style. I may have opinions that piss people off sometimes but I never intentionally try to offend anyone.
I truly hope like hell no one here harbors painful feelings, memories, and/or PTSD from child abuse, but if you're on this thread and this fits the bill for you, my heart goes out to you. I assure you I'm not trying to be glib on the subject, nor do I take the subject matter lightly. I just mean there's a limit to how much censorship needs to be placed on children before it turns into unhealthy sheltering and helicopter parenting that leads to a phase of extreme rebellion and massive problems circa the college years…
I don't think you are trying to be glib or minimize the experiences of sexual abuse survivors. We are all good people here and we all need to do better at being kinder to one another.