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⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

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Snafu in the Void said:
Yes, that's a big gripe for me as well. The idea of bigotry has been weaponized by the left. They confuse preference with hatred (transphobia, bigotry, racism, etc).

The word transphobia gets tossed around way too lightly and arbitrarily.

I have no problem with trans people, I support them on almost everything, I give them their due respect... but I would never date one for any reason even if I found them objectively attractive.

I don't even need to explain why not, because it doesn't fucking matter. I like the color green, nobody asks me WHY I like green and not purple. Because it doesn't even matter and ultimately none of their business.

If I were to sum up my criticism of trans people it would be that they expect their life choices and expectations, which go against established normality, to be immune from criticism. Sorry, life doesn't work that way.

Things or people that go against established norms are subject to harsh opinions. That's math, not hatred.

I might as well call anyone who judges me for being an alcoholic a hateful bigot. I was born this way (?). You don't want to date me or hang out because I drink alcohol? Is that hateful? No.

I've had many male gay friends in my life. I've been hit on from them many times. I've never been called homophobic for saying no, sorry, I'm straight.

As I've said before, I think the trans movement could learn a thing or two from LGB people and their successful movement in the 80s/90s. Seek legal equality, not social equality. Find your own space socially. I think gay people pulled that off gracefully.

Ultimately, I think the trans movement has some growing pains to deal with, both figuratively and literally.
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I very much agree with you. I believe in some cases the confusion of preference with hatred or criticism with hatred is innocent and a product of being young, confused and mislead. However I believe in a lot of cases, especially when it comes to those in the media, certain activists or the wealthy people pushing these agendas it is very much intentional. Words like "transphobic", "homophobic" and "racist" are being used to shut down discussion. They won't hesitate to change the definition of these words, or make up new ones (as Dave Chappelle pointed out) to win arguments. They have successfully hijacked compassion and goodwill.

For example, no one wants to be labeled a racist, so the instinct is to do everything in one's power to deny being a racist if one is called such rather than to provide a philosophical explanation for why preferring one's own race in certain situations might actually make sense and not violate any moral principles.

The irony to me is the fact that the supposed tolerant people, who just don't want to be bullied, seem to think it's perfectly ok to bully anyone who questions their ideology. I just don't see how it makes sense to bully people into accepting an ideology that is supposedly all about acceptance anti-bullying.
 
Dropperneck said:
Total agency capture happened over the past few decades. I don’t trust any of them, and don’t know what it would take for me to ever trust them again. Virtually everything has been infiltrated and subverted.
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Agreed. I do medical research now in a more official capacity, and the amount of bunk content is amazing. They can basically lie through statistics and get away with it by fudging quantitative data. It really boggles my mind how the world became this way. How leaders sold us on the idea that private research and private everything was superior to public institutionalism. Now everything is captured by people who will lie to make profit. They literally killed possibly millions of people (and still counting) with the mRNA shit. Now they are consolidating loco levels of health authority power through the WHO and the treaty system to force even more racketeering shit on us.

I am endlessly frustrated by how the average person refuses to see this. They still think that the institutions work for them and for the benefit of humanity when in reality they have turned evil.

That's what's happening with the whole trans movement. People think I'm against trans people, when in actual fact I'm against private institutions determining the gender-care priorities of children. They can't be trusted to create health policy objectively. They will only write policy that serves business interests and use progressive ideology to justify it.
 
Foreigner said:
Agreed. I do medical research now in a more official capacity, and the amount of bunk content is amazing. They can basically lie through statistics and get away with it by fudging quantitative data. It really boggles my mind how the world became this way. How leaders sold us on the idea that private research and private everything was superior to public institutionalism. Now everything is captured by people who will lie to make profit. They literally killed possibly millions of people (and still counting) with the mRNA shit. Now they are consolidating loco levels of health authority power through the WHO and the treaty system to force even more racketeering shit on us.

I am endlessly frustrated by how the average person refuses to see this. They still think that the institutions work for them and for the benefit of humanity when in reality they have turned evil.

That's what's happening with the whole trans movement. People think I'm against trans people, when in actual fact I'm against private institutions determining the gender-care priorities of children. They can't be trusted to create health policy objectively. They will only write policy that serves business interests and use progressive ideology to justify it.
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People have been poisoned, dumbed down, and conditioned mentally for many decades, it’s not shocking more people don’t notice these things. All you can do is stay safe your self and try to let others’ know about these things. But be carful, the fully indoctrinated are not worth talking to irl.
 
Dropperneck said:
People have been poisoned, dumbed down, and conditioned mentally for many decades, it’s not shocking more people don’t notice these things. All you can do is stay safe your self and try to let others’ know about these things. But be carful, the fully indoctrinated are not worth talking to irl.
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What depresses me the most about this situation is that it's all about profit and power. There is no grand plan to lift humanity into a higher state of existence. It's just for mindless accumulation by a bunch of sociopaths who are old money.
 
Foreigner said:
What depresses me the most about this situation is that it's all about profit and power. There is no grand plan to lift humanity into a higher state of existence. It's just for mindless accumulation by a bunch of sociopaths who are old money.
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Idk if you get into the transhumanist stuff, some of them aren’t content with simply maintaining their money and power. They are at least distracted at the moment with reconquering their former territory of khazaria(Ukraine) and doing war for profit. Unfortunately you live in a pilot program country. The US isn’t great, but federalism can save us for now. You should work on emigrating sooner rather than later, and pick somewhere insulated for the moment.
 
Dropperneck said:
Idk if you get into the transhumanist stuff, some of them aren’t content with simply maintaining their money and power. They are at least distracted at the moment with reconquering their former territory of khazaria(Ukraine) and doing war for profit. Unfortunately you live in a pilot program country. The US isn’t great, but federalism can save us for now. You should work on emigrating sooner rather than later, and pick somewhere insulated for the moment.
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It's my main focus. Will be done school, then I am just going to bank enough money to relocate. Canada is about to get super dark and I want to get out before digital ID makes it impossible to leave without getting the clot shot etc.

Tell me more about your transhumanist idea?
 
Foreigner said:
It really boggles my mind how the world became this way. How leaders sold us on the idea that private research and private everything was superior to public institutionalism.
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Me too, man. The privatization of our pubic institutions was a travesty that was the beginning of the end for us. It opened the door to corporations buying the government outright. Now everything is driven by profit, 5% growth every quarter or you've failed. Prisons, health care, the last administration even put up a head of education who wanted to privatize primary education. I'm on an extremely expensive drug for psoriatic arthritis... it costs $6000 per month. The next most expensive price in another country is 10 times less - $600 per month. Same manufacturer, same drug. The idea that we can trust massive corporations or billionaires to make decisions that are the best for everyone is as nonsensical as "trickle-down economics".

Thanks Reagan.
 
Xorkoth said:
Me too, man. The privatization of our pubic institutions was a travesty that was the beginning of the end for us. It opened the door to corporations buying the government outright. Now everything is driven by profit, 5% growth every quarter or you've failed. Prisons, health care, the last administration even put up a head of education who wanted to privatize primary education. I'm on an extremely expensive drug for psoriatic arthritis... it costs $6000 per month. The next most expensive price in another country is 10 times less - $600 per month. Same manufacturer, same drug. The idea that we can trust massive corporations or billionaires to make decisions that are the best for everyone is as nonsensical as "trickle-down economics".

Thanks Reagan.
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Reagan definitely opened the door. I wish someone could go back in time an take him out.

The system is increasingly every man for himself, yet it's also a human profit farm for the wealthy.

It seems like a global revolution will be necessary to fix this. Or you know... and apocalypse.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I agree it is a very flawed comparison, dysfunction & acute physical pain is also different from dysphoria, and people generally do not make the elective decision to get knee surgery at 15 either... but saying there is an anti-trans movement made of trans people is nonsense as far as I'm aware. Sounds like conservative fantasy to me.
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The fact that people are so much more likely to regret an often mandatory knee surgery than an "elective decision" to have gender surgery speaks volumes as to how few trans people actually have any desire to detransition.
 
I still have no idea what a transformer even is!?

Are the cars, are they aliens? They come from a planet in a galaxy far far away.
 
arrall said:
No need to be an asshole, Mjall.
Calm down and give the constant argument provocation a break for a few days, okay?
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To be fair, never saw a post entitled by Mjall, that would warrant him to be deemed "an asshole", personally.
An intense argument doesn't warrant someone to be called a pejorative, on here imo.
Even if their argument may be persistent on a personal issue to another member; personal issues are personal - if boundaries are crossed, perhaps it's because personal, boundaries aren't well established - this thread is about issues, not personal agendas to be babysat, tbf.

If someone feels disrespected, they should have the freedom to express that themselves & not remain, co-dependent or, feel unable to defend their argument because they feel 'weak'or, outnumbered, life makes people feel weak & how can one obtain a strong sense of self without dealing with obstacles - either challenging or, abstaining etc.
 
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arrall said:
The fact that people are so much more likely to regret an often mandatory knee surgery than an "elective decision" to have gender surgery speaks volumes as to how few trans people actually have any desire to detransition.
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This is all conjecture. What has that to do with anything discussed...esp. re. Relationships or, sex? 😩
 
Asclepius said:
To be fair, never saw a post entitled by Mjall, that would warrant him to be deemed "an asshole", personally.
An intense argument doesn't warrant someone to be called a pejorative, on here imo.
Even if their argument may be persistent on a personal issue to another member; personal issues are personal - if boundaries are crossed, perhaps it's because personal, boundaries aren't well established - this thread is about issues, not personal agendas to be babysat, tbf.

If someone feels disrespected, they should have the freedom to express that themselves & not remain, co-dependent or, feel unable to defend their argument because they feel 'weak'or, outnumbered, life makes people feel weak & how can one obtain a strong sense of self without dealing with obstacles - either challenging or, abstaining etc.
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Shut up he is an asshole, you just don't know yet
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
Shut up he is an asshole, you just don't know y
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Takes one to know one, eh, Krink? 😉

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