⫸Trans and LGBTQIA+ Discussion⫷

[CFC]

This may come off wrong but it’s something Iv wondered for a while. Let’s look at it strictly from a scientific perspective and assume we’ll continue to learn more about the brain and get better at fixing chemical/hormonal imbalances, would that mean that one day we’ll find a reason why people are LGBT and be able to substitute whatever is causing it? So someone could take a pill with whatever hormones or chemicals In the brain and effectively make them not gay or trans anymore

I was wondering whether we could cure str8s in the same way and make them normal someday. I certainly don't think it's far off. It's not as if we exactly need many breeders for the purposes of reproduction now is it lol?

 

[mal3volent]

I was wondering whether we could cure str8s in the same way and make them normal someday. I certainly don't think it's far off. It's not as if we exactly need many breeders for the purposes of reproduction now is it lol?

I don't want to cure str8 guys, they are really hot. At least the ones I follow on Twitter.

 

[CFC]

I don't want to cure str8 guys, they are really hot. At least the ones I follow on Twitter.

I don't dispute that hon

But these days I find they just don't put out like they should, and they play hard to get and all "I'm str8" blah blah blah.

Plus they often insist on sharing their thoughts and stuff, and I'm like "if God had intended for you to think he would have given you a brain. Now stop your gibbering, show some nekkid flesh, and get back down the mines where you're supposed to be."

 

[nepalnt21]

transsexualism/transgenderism is based on magical thinking, not actual biology, medicine, or science.

what is your area of expertise to be able to make this statement as fact?

you're an expert on hormones? psychology? chromosomes? are you a medical doctor that specializes in gender and/ or sexuality?

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I was wondering whether we could cure str8s in the same way and make them normal someday. I certainly don't think it's far off. It's not as if we exactly need many breeders for the purposes of reproduction now is it lol?

Technically yea, I guess…if it’s a hormonal imbalance(just an example) then I suppose you could add or block that hormone and make someone gay or straight, Im just curious if it is a “fixable” thing

 

[jasperkent]

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

what is your area of expertise to be able to make this statement as fact?

you're an expert on hormones? psychology? chromosomes? are you a medical doctor that specializes in gender and/ or sexuality?

It is Biology, Physiology, Genetics, and Human Anatomy, and Psychology 101. Despite all of the surgery and puberty blocking hormones, and then introducing hormones for the opposite sex, someone's actual biological or genetic sex cannot be changed.

I have known trans people who did get the full sex change surgery, but even they admit it was for psychological and cosmetic reasons.

Other trans people I have known did dress or imitate the opposite sex from their physical/biological/genetic sex, and change their name, but they did not take hormones or get any surgery as the surgery is expensive, it is dangerous, and it is basically permanent. These trans people also said how they could take all of the hormones and get multiple sex change surgeries, but in reality doing all of this would not actually make them change their body, sex, or gender into that of the opposite sex at all.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I was wondering whether we could cure str8s in the same way and make them normal someday. I certainly don't think it's far off. It's not as if we exactly need many breeders for the purposes of reproduction now is it lol?

Many heterosexual men and women in Gen Z who are in their 20s are not having sex, the men get a vasectomy, and the women become femcels and stock up on batteries for their vibrators, and the non-femcels surgeon/doctor shop so they can get a hysterectomy before age 30 and they do not care about the health risks of it such as early dementia and early menopause, etc.

I have read how the Japanese are taking this to extremes where nobody age 18-35 is having sex, Japanese teens are supposedly not having sex or dating, and those who marry do not have children and do not have regular sex with their husband/wife or anyone else.

5 Reasons Why Japanese People Aren’t Having Sex

Sexual desire and sexual activity have been declining in Japan for years, and this is a major cause of Japan’s significant decrease in…

medium.com

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

"Ruin their bodies"? Based on who's assessment? Yours?

Assessing that someone else's body is "ruined" that's a lot of hubris.

It's based explicitly on biology, medicine and science. The administration of hormones results in the wanted gender characteristics such as masculinization or feminization of facial features, breasts, and hips as well as prevention or instigation of body hair.

Done early enough fem/masc surgeries are not needed. (Although bottom surgery still is needed)

Currently, medicine can give a reasonable approximation of genitals through gender reassignment surgery.

In the future, penises and vaginas will be grown using the trans person's own DNA, and implanted. Functional true vaginas have been grown and implanted for girls born without.

Lab-Grown Vaginas Implanted Successfully in 4 Teenagers

The organs, grown from the patients' own cells, are showing normal functions for the four young women

www.scientificamerican.com

Chimeric persons already contain male and female cells and sexually dimorphic sexual organs without fatal or serious issue. Some have breasts, penis, no vagina, testes or uterus, but intact or partial ovaries.

46,XX/46,XY - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Tissue and gene engineering using stem cells from a donor could create XX vaginas for MTF trans women and XY penises for FTM trans men. No rejection would occur.

Refinement of gene and tissue engineering theoretically can result in the creation of uteruses, ovaries, and testicles that may allow a trans person to procreate after transition.

How woefully uninformed You are.

Are you trans? Sorry the truth hurts.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Actually yes it can.

Scientists Created Male and Female Cells from a Single Person

Cells with XX or XY chromosomes provide researchers with a new tool to study how differences in sex chromosomes can influence health and development

www.google.com

It doesn't matter whether they started with a biologically male person or biologically female person. They ended up creating cells that are both XX and XY, genetically changing their sex.

CRISPR can edit CHROMOSOMES, you know, the things that determine biological gender. Whole organism chromosomal editing is maybe 10 years away.

That is theory, not a fact and it has yet to be done successfully.

 

[nepalnt21]

someone's actual biological or genetic sex cannot be changed.

no shit... that's why nobody claims it can.

hope this clears it up for you.

 

[nepalnt21]

Actually yes it can.

Scientists Created Male and Female Cells from a Single Person

Cells with XX or XY chromosomes provide researchers with a new tool to study how differences in sex chromosomes can influence health and development

www.google.com

It doesn't matter whether they started with a biologically male person or biologically female person. They ended up creating cells that are both XX and XY, genetically changing their sex.

CRISPR can edit CHROMOSOMES, you know, the things that determine biological gender. Whole organism chromosomal editing is maybe 10 years away.

interesting. the future is now, old man (me).

nonetheless, pretty sure this topic is about people being transgender, which is a differrent topic than biological sex (sometimes called gender)

 

[Juicewrldfan]

I have no issue whatsoever with trans people or any non-heteronormative people. Some I have met are really great people. They’re just people.

What I have an issue with is when a governing body tries to push ideals on me. For example, trans inclusion is very important, like I said they are just people like you and me other than what gender they identify as. I have an issue when my job makes everyone take a trans inclusion class and I was all for the class at first because the title says it all, but when I get in the class they are trying to tell me that trans women can get pregnant and then people in the class talking about how if a man won’t date a trans woman because she’s trans he’s a bigot. Some trans women are really sexy, some cuz women are really sexy. Some men want to have kids which isn’t possible to get trans women pregnant.Or that trans women should compete against ciswomen in sports and it’s fair.

I have absolutely zero issues with trans people. It’s the politics behind it I hate on both sides. Yet legislation is necessary in order to ensure the rights of trans people so I suppose it’s hard to keep politics out of it. I just think both sides go too extreme sometimes. The right limiting trans people rights and the left pushing narratives like if you don’t date a transwoman you are a bigot.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

no shit... that's why nobody claims it can.

hope this clears it up for you.

Actually yes they do. Not only on social media, Twitter, reddit, etc. but there are trans people who claim that both without and with all the LARPING and mutilation that they are somehow magically the opposite biological, physical, and genetic sex / gender that they really are.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

interesting. the future is now, old man (me).

nonetheless, pretty sure this topic is about people being transgender, which is a differrent topic than biological sex (sometimes called gender)

I thought gender/biological sex is just a social construct or theory?

 

[nepalnt21]

gender' is also a synonym for 'biological sex' in some contexts (biology class, maybe?)

in the context of gender identity, as far as i'm aware (and i'm not an expert... which i assume is true about you, as well) it's a psychological / brain chemistry and/ or hormonal construct which afaik is not fully understood/ explained by medical science.

the people having these experiences are actually having these experiences, and it is clearly inter- societal (societies all throughout history, not just modern western society).

gender roles are a social construct, not necessarily gender.

Actually yes they do. Not only on social media, Twitter, reddit, etc. but there are trans people who claim that both without and with all the LARPING and mutilation that they are somehow magically the opposite biological, physical, and genetic sex / gender that they really are.

i call shenanigans. u sure it's not just some edgy trolling outliers? i have yet to hear anyone claim this (outside of the aforementioned advanced genetic engineering craziness).

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I have no issue whatsoever with trans people or any non-heteronormative people. Some I have met are really great people. They’re just people.

What I have an issue with is when a governing body tries to push ideals on me. For example, trans inclusion is very important, like I said they are just people like you and me other than what gender they identify as. I have an issue when my job makes everyone take a trans inclusion class and I was all for the class at first because the title says it all, but when I get in the class they are trying to tell me that trans women can get pregnant and then people in the class talking about how if a man won’t date a trans woman because she’s trans he’s a bigot. Some trans women are really sexy, some cuz women are really sexy. Some men want to have kids which isn’t possible to get trans women pregnant.Or that trans women should compete against ciswomen in sports and it’s fair.

I have absolutely zero issues with trans people. It’s the politics behind it I hate on both sides. Yet legislation is necessary in order to ensure the rights of trans people so I suppose it’s hard to keep politics out of it. I just think both sides go too extreme sometimes. The right limiting trans people rights and the left pushing narratives like if you don’t date a transwoman you are a bigot.

Exactly.

I used to be 1,000% for trans rights even thinking it was perfectly fine for children, teens, and young adults to transition.

Then I noticed how trans people became super homophobic/biphobic when same sex marriage was finally legalised, and the same thing happened when LGB people could finally openly serve in the military. Also trans people do not do themselves any favours when they say that if someone is bisexual that it is being "transphobic' despite how we bisexual men and women are the only people who might date, fuck, or marry trans people, as the vast majority of gay men and lesbian women, and heterosexual men and women have zero interest in any of this and there is nothing wrong with this.

Then there is the manipulation and gaslighting. Trans people and nutty TRAs claim that a black transwoman started the Stonewall riots, when the reality and what actually happened are much different.

I know multiple bisexual men and women, and gay men who were actually at the Stonewall demonstrations. At the time they were seen as no big deal or a non-event. Trans people were not there, and the drag queens who showed up on the 2nd night are not trans despite what Ru Paul claims. There were some non-white/non-European people there, but the overall vast majority of people there were white- Europeans. Stonewall did not magically or suddenly make everything totally fine for LGB people. Before and after Stonewall the majority of LGB people both in Manhattan even in the tiny section where the bar was, in the larger NYC metro region, Northeastern USA, and in the larger USA were not out, closeted, and discreet. It was like this in many regions of the USA and in other countries until about the 2010s.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

gender' is also a synonym for 'biological sex' in some contexts (biology class, maybe?)

in the context of gender identity, as far as i'm aware (and i'm not an expert... which i assume is true about you, as well) it's a psychological / brain chemistry and/ or hormonal construct which afaik is not fully understood/ explained by medical science.

the people having these experiences are actually having these experiences, and it is clearly inter- societal (societies all throughout history, not just modern western society).

gender roles are a social construct, not necessarily gender.



i call shenanigans. u sure it's not just some edgy trolling outliers? i have yet to hear anyone claim this (outside of the aforementioned advanced genetic engineering craziness).

Have you ever met any trans people in person in real life? I am not going by what teens or bored trans college students who have taken too many useless queer theory and gender studies classes spew as nonsense on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, tik-tok, etc.

 

[nepalnt21]

i've met a couple people that are trans, why?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Stonewall did not magically or suddenly make everything totally fine for LGB people. Before and after Stonewall the majority of LGB people both in Manhattan even in the tiny section where the bar was, in the larger NYC metro region, Northeastern USA, and in the larger USA were not out, closeted, and discreet. It was like this in many regions of the USA and in other countries until about the 2010s.

I don't think anyone makes the claim that "Stonewall magically made everything totally fine for LGB people".

It IS frequently argued (and accurately IMO) that the Stonewall event was a significant turning point for the gay right's movement, away from the more conservative "homophile" movement which preceded it. May not have looked that way at the time but in hindsight that's definitely the case.