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I may have gained a little bit, hard to say. I tested last week at 9.6%, but I was not able to test where I was the last week of my summer cut.

I don't know if you've seen anything else I've written around here, but I'm not a very big person at all (natty, 5'5, 142.5, 9.6% right now and I have small bones - small wrists, ankles, etc. Not that I would assume anyone would poke fun at it, but that's just how the cards fell with my genetics, but it makes me really good in PLing). So yes, this makes things even more frustrating in the hard-gaining sense. I haven't had any test done recently (insurance issues are complicated at the moment). I assume that I just have a really adaptable NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis). Granted, I do train almost everyday, work a physically-demanding job and do a good amount of walking in public. But still, it's a frustrating pace at which to eat.

I'm holding fats at .5g/lb and protein at 1g/lb, so that's roughly 640cal from fats, 570cal from protein and at 3500 total calories, it gave me roughly 572g of carbs. I have gained weight in the past with mass-gainer products, but I was naive at that time of my life and just put a ton of fat on and looked awful in the skinny-fat sense.

Anyway, since posting that I have spent four days at 4000 (took the increase all in as carbs) and am already up 2lbs. Will watch it another couple days and then possibly scale back down to around 3800 or so. I switched gyms two weeks ago and am now almost exclusively focusing on PLing and not BBing. Realistically, I'd like to try and put on 27lbs over the next nine months and then shred 10-15lbs of it off for a solid 12lbs or so of muscle gain.

Anyway, with all of that laid out, would you suggest I go higher than .5g/1lb for fats if I want to optimize endogenous hormones?
 
What's up guys. Started working out again after over a year of pretty much nothing. Weak as shit right now, lost a dangerous amount of weight, but I'm trying to stay motivated to just keep going in and doing what I can do.
 
Just started running some Ipa &a mod-grf and wow, wish I had done this forever ago. The general improvement in well-being really makes me wonder if my GH levels have been fuck-y all along.
 
nuttynutskin said:
What's up guys. Started working out again after over a year of pretty much nothing. Weak as shit right now, lost a dangerous amount of weight, but I'm trying to stay motivated to just keep going in and doing what I can do.
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As long as you enjoy the workout itself, that should keep you going - don't worry too much about goals
 
JBrandon said:
Just started running some Ipa &a mod-grf and wow, wish I had done this forever ago. The general improvement in well-being really makes me wonder if my GH levels have been fuck-y all along.
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That's good you're feeling something. How old are you?
 
CFC said:
That's good you're feeling something. How old are you?
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32.

I switched pins last night and accidentally took twice my dose of each. Didn't sleep for a damn second the entire night, which is interesting to me as the entire week up until then I found it a little sedating.
 
I'd just be ravenously hungry and maybe experience some elevated HR for a while. Unfortunately any GHRP could be bunk or just as well contain hCG since none of this stuff is legit.
 
nuttynutskin said:
What's up guys. Started working out again after over a year of pretty much nothing. Weak as shit right now, lost a dangerous amount of weight, but I'm trying to stay motivated to just keep going in and doing what I can do.
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Glad to hear that you're back in. For me, it always takes 2-3 weeks of making myself go before the passion comes back. Once that initial soreness is hazed out and you remember what strength feels like... When you're making strength gains each session and your muscle memory is doing its thing, it's sort of like being on gear with regard to quick results. Whenever I start over, I almost consider it an experiment like "how would I coach a new person with my same body type?"

I just took a few days off completely after going really hard for about six weeks. Had some good sex and ate a lot of seafood. Getting back at it tomorrow. I've been getting really good results with high frequency, high intensity and mediun volume periodized training on squat and bench (have always had a good dead but I gotta get my squat up ideally to around 2.5x and then also work on getting used to paused benching).
 
Thanks. My motivation is actually pretty good right now and my weight is already going up a bit since I've ramped up my diet. Funny to think that not that long ago I was having pretty bad stomach issues (due to years of alcohol abuse).
 
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RedLeader said:
I may have gained a little bit, hard to say. I tested last week at 9.6%, but I was not able to test where I was the last week of my summer cut.

I don't know if you've seen anything else I've written around here, but I'm not a very big person at all (natty, 5'5, 142.5, 9.6% right now and I have small bones - small wrists, ankles, etc. Not that I would assume anyone would poke fun at it, but that's just how the cards fell with my genetics, but it makes me really good in PLing). So yes, this makes things even more frustrating in the hard-gaining sense. I haven't had any test done recently (insurance issues are complicated at the moment). I assume that I just have a really adaptable NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis). Granted, I do train almost everyday, work a physically-demanding job and do a good amount of walking in public. But still, it's a frustrating pace at which to eat.

I'm holding fats at .5g/lb and protein at 1g/lb, so that's roughly 640cal from fats, 570cal from protein and at 3500 total calories, it gave me roughly 572g of carbs. I have gained weight in the past with mass-gainer products, but I was naive at that time of my life and just put a ton of fat on and looked awful in the skinny-fat sense.

Anyway, since posting that I have spent four days at 4000 (took the increase all in as carbs) and am already up 2lbs. Will watch it another couple days and then possibly scale back down to around 3800 or so. I switched gyms two weeks ago and am now almost exclusively focusing on PLing and not BBing. Realistically, I'd like to try and put on 27lbs over the next nine months and then shred 10-15lbs of it off for a solid 12lbs or so of muscle gain.

Anyway, with all of that laid out, would you suggest I go higher than .5g/1lb for fats if I want to optimize endogenous hormones?
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Sorry I was away when you posted this RedLeader. Do you want to be a lot bigger? 142 isn't huge but at 5'5" sub 10% it's not too shabby, and frankly a bonus if your emphasis is PL. Meanwhile 12 lbs pure LBM minus-AAS is a lot over that timescale!

As for fats, I'd readily try going higher, if only because it may lower GI enough to reduce any potential fat gain from the extra cals. Have you gained any more weight this last month?
 
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You're rebounding well. Keep it up mate!
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Thanks. Do any of you guys know about how long it should take for me to start seeing some strength gains provided my diet and training is on point? I'm thinking it will take about a month before I start noticing any worthwhile improvement.
 
Strength gains compared to when you weren't training? I'd have expected gains immediately. If comparing to before you stopped training, it could be a very long time, depending on the level you reached back then.
 
nuttynutskin said:
Thanks. Do any of you guys know about how long it should take for me to start seeing some strength gains provided my diet and training is on point? I'm thinking it will take about a month before I start noticing any worthwhile improvement.
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You can get back to your previous maxes on the big compounds surprisingly fast even if you have been in a detrained state for quite some time (and your lifts the first week back are absolutely pathetic). I don't really like using a phrase like "do everything right" here because the quickest way back to those numbers is to use a lot of weekly volume (reps x sets x weight) and ideally you want to progress on as low weekly volume as possible (so that you have the ability to add volume if you plateau and want to break it). You can also more quickly get back to them if you put on a ton of weight (which will mostly be fat), but that also is not planning with your future in mind. In my experience, even if I haven't regained my previous strength yet, I regain my previous hypertrophy very quickly (muscle memory is no joke). So ya, just figure out a nice progression scheme on the big compounds that feels consistent and challenging but does not really include a lot of failed reps and you will get there soon enough. In my experience, it's around week 3 or 4 back from time off that things really start to click.

CFC said:
Sorry I was away when you posted this RedLeader. Do you want to be a lot bigger? 142 isn't huge but at 5'5" sub 10% it's not too shabby, and frankly a bonus if your emphasis is PL. Meanwhile 12 lbs pure LBM minus-AAS is a lot over that timescale!

As for fats, I'd readily try going higher, if only because it may lower GI enough to reduce any potential fat gain from the extra cals. Have you gained any more weight this last month?
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Thanks for the reply.

I was up, then down, and am now back up (144.2 yesterday). I was sick for one of the weeks and my ex visited during another week (I made the conscious decision to eat light for a couple days so as to not subject her to the gastrointestinal madness that comes with 4000 calories). But it's a couple pounds over the month and I don't seem visually fatter in the mirror, and that's pretty much what I want to be doing. Small surplus, lean bulk, etc.

I guess it would be more like "powerbuilding" that I follow than strictly PL. I do periodize the big three and also do variations of them geared toward strength, but I'm still doing enough overall work for hypertrophy that any hardcore PLer would probably take issue with it. I'm flirting with the idea of experimenting with SARMs this year (with proper PCT and such), but I still have not made up my mind there. I definitely want to keep within reach of the 66kg class. Also, I don't know how accurate 9.6% was...it could be up near 11-12% for all I know. So ya, if I do stay completely natty for 2017, then maybe 6-8lbs LBM is a more realistic goal.
 
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So what do you guys actually think about SARM cycles as a bridge between natural and AAS? Meaning, is there an argument for a natural to use SARMs before actually moving to test? Do you think SARMs are a bad idea without a test base? That SARMs should only be hand-selected to supplement real AAS cycles, etc. Didn't want to start an actual thread on this but did want to hear

And happy new year to you all :-)
 
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With or without a test base, most SARMs are pretty suppressive of the HPTA. I think people see them as a soft option because they're relatively easy to get hold of. But it's not a bridge between natural and AAS, and I think we should put them both in the same category.
 
^ Thanks for the reply.

My buddy and I today were having an argument about the barbells at our gym. I said that at the absolute most they would vary would be by a fifth of a pound. So we weighed four different barbells and got 44.1, 44.7, 45.1 and 46.3lbs. I found this actually quite suprising/disturbing. As someone who microloads, I am going to turn into the token guy at the gym who is possessive over one particular barbell. I get that plates chip and wear down over time, but I don't get why the bars would vary so much seemingly out of the factory.

I also started taking yoga classes this weekend and am going to keep going once or twice a week. Going to see if this has any noticeable impact on my squat progression.
 
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