'£10 licence to smoke' proposed

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Smokers would have to get a licence to light up under the plan
Smokers could be forced to pay £10 for a permit to buy tobacco if a government health advisory body gets its way.

No one would be able to buy cigarettes without the permit, under the idea proposed by Health England.

Its chairman, Professor Julian Le Grand, told BBC Radio 5 Live the scheme would make a big difference to the number of people giving up smoking.

But smokers' rights group Forest described the idea as "outrageous", given how much tax smokers already pay.

Professor Le Grand, a former adviser to ex-PM Tony Blair, said cash raised by the proposed scheme would go to the NHS.

He said it was the inconvenience of getting a permit - as much as the cost - that would deter people from persisting with the smoking habit.

"You've got to get a form, a complex form - the government's good at complex forms; you have got to get a photograph.

"It's a little bit of a problem to actually do it, so you have got to make a conscious decision every year to opt in to being a smoker."

'Extra bureaucracy'

He added: "70% of smokers actually want to stop smoking.

"So if you just make it that little bit more difficult for them to actually re-start or even to start in the first place, yes I think it will make a big difference."

But Forest said it would be "an extra form of taxation, while tobacco taxation is already at record levels".

Forest spokesman Simon Clark said that when the cost of administration, extra bureaucracy and enforcement are taken into account, "the mind boggles".

He added that the people most affected by the proposals would be "the elderly and people on low incomes".

Mr Clark added: "The senior government advisor putting this idea forward is not only adding to the red tape and bureaucracy we already have in this country.

"He is openly bragging that he wants to make the form as complex as possible to fill in."

A department of health spokeswoman did not rule out such a scheme as part of the next wave of tobacco regulation.

She said: "We will be consulting later this year on the next steps on tobacco control.

"Ministers are seeking input from a whole range of stakeholders."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7247470.stm
 
IMO, all it would do is increase the demand for black market tobacco. even in America, some people import and sell cigarettes illegally, so its a probable outcome of such an action.
 
"70% of smokers actually want to stop smoking."

ROFL!


Hey, did you know 68% of statistics are madeup bullshit?
 
jykkE said:
"70% of smokers actually want to stop smoking."

ROFL!


Hey, did you know 68% of statistics are madeup bullshit?

45% of people know that
 
naatural said:
45% of people know that


That's bullshit!! I just read a study from the National Association For the Study of Statistics and Analysis and other Bullshit that said that 73% of people know that.

But really, haven't smokers been taxed enough? I know we are an easy target, but enough is enough. I wonder how this random taxation and adding of fees would go if it was cheeseburgers being taxed instead of cigarettes?
 
They do have a point. I don't think what they're doing is right or for just reasons but I can see how making a consious choice to be a "registered smoker" could make a difference for those already making the decision to quit.

If the smoker has already decided to quit, the licencing process may give them time in between relapses to reaffirm their conviction that smoking isn't the choice for them.
 
It does seem pretty harsh considering how much smokers get taxed already, but I can see the advantages if the license fees were set aside to fund public health service treatment of smoking-related diseases etc rather than just going into general government funds.

Also the other reason to support this is that it could pave the way for "recreational drugs" licenses for other kinds of drugs, which is realistically one of the most viable options for legalisation of drug use in general.
 
this sounds like a bullshit plan, but even if you had to renew the permit every year, 10 pounds isn't that big of a deal is it? Does anyone know the comparison of tobacco taxes of the U.S. versus UK? I know we have some shitty taxes in some states over here, a pack of Reds is at least 5 dollars in Michigan, but places like Tennesee have its like barely 3 dollars(the prices include the taxes), so its not universal, but I'm wondering if the UK has worse taxes on it?
but hell, i'm a smoker, well aware of the bullshit, but i like to smoke. it seems to me like the NHS is trying to look out for its citizens, but what do i know? i just don't think that a 10 pound permit would really persuade anyone to quit, it just seems like it would be a minor inconvience to some.

edit, +70% tax? how much would that make the price of cigs be then?
 
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When you can buy the same product after tax on the continent for around £2 and in the UK they are £4.50-5.00 a pack then 75% Tax isn't far from the mark.

Try Petrol (Gas) ... that's in the 80+% Tax bracket 8o
 
no, tobacco tax is huge i believe (compared to the actual cost of tobacco)

i think its somewhere in the regoin of £3.50 per pack plus.

in poland a pack of 20 is less than 50p
 
i agree with all these dissuassive measures to stop people smoking.... its great... but our generation who started smoking before the prices went up, before the warnings on packs, before all of that shit get Fucked in the ass by the government and the tobacco companies....
i think anyone who started smoking prior to when the taxes went up , n warnings n shit should be exempt from the higher prices...
fukem anyway, i'm gonna give "champix" a try before i head back to the UK....

btw what i said is 87% true according to the national statistics of My Ass...:p
 
anyone remember how, at least in the US, many drugs got legalized? stick a license on them. later on, it's real easy to illegalize them without any further laws. just dont give out any licenses

tobacco has been on the road to illegalization. i posted this in another thread:

this has been predicted by sociologists

http://www.pipes.org/Articles/history.html

what has been going on in the media, government, literature, and social use patterns regarding smoking tobacco is the exact same thing that went on regarding alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, morphine, and psychedelics immediately preceding their prohibitions

tobacco is on the road to illegalization. it's almost there, considering most of the middle class have quit and now it's just the lower class clinging on. since it's the group of people with little power who have this 'bad habit,' now it can become an us-vs-them 'punishment' like every other prohibition has been

Because we love this idea of prohibitions, we can't live without them. They are our very favorite thing because we know how to solve difficult, social, economic, and medical problems -- a new criminal law with harsher penalties in every category for ""everybody"".
 
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The_Idler said:
no, tobacco tax is huge i believe (compared to the actual cost of tobacco)

i think its somewhere in the regoin of £3.50 per pack plus.

in Poland a pack of 20 is less than 50p

Add a pound or so. Any brand thats not just awful is 4.50 or even 5 quid for 20. That's $10 a pack :) I can believe that people are thinking, my god, I'm spending 35-40 quid a week on this!
 
Plus last time I bought smokes in NYC it was like 8 usd, and they only offered 3 kinds (I chose camels). Not sure what that translates in Euro, but if its less my apoligies.
 
qwe said:
anyone remember how, at least in the US, many drugs got legalized? stick a license on them. later on, it's real easy to illegalize them without any further laws. just dont give out any licenses

tobacco has been on the road to illegalization. i posted this in another thread:

this has been predicted by sociologists

http://www.pipes.org/Articles/history.html

what has been going on in the media, government, literature, and social use patterns regarding smoking tobacco is the exact same thing that went on regarding alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, morphine, and psychedelics immediately preceding their prohibitions

tobacco is on the road to illegalization. it's almost there, considering most of the middle class have quit and now it's just the lower class clinging on. since it's the group of people with little power who have this 'bad habit,' now it can become an us-vs-them 'punishment' like every other prohibition has been

We're (at least those in charge) a manipulitive bunch, no? Think Native American treaties (read peoples history of the united state by zinn, for a more accurate depiction). :(
 
2c-buoyant said:
Plus last time I bought smokes in NYC it was like 8 usd, and they only offered 3 kinds (I chose camels). Not sure what that translates in Euro, but if its less my apoligies.
That sounds about right. Cigs always cost more in NYC and Boston, at least since I've been smoking.
 
making it 10$ or whatever more expensive is not gonna stop smokers from smoking. Nicotine patches, gums, and other treatments/detox will help. Besides if people wanna smoke let them. I thought we were free to do whatever made us happy. Now the government is pushing us to do one thing and stop another?
 
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