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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy DOM Thread

Hey,

Sorry for the necro post, I found 2 blotters of DOM 5mg in my RC stash.
Does someone know how is the vasoconstriction of this one in comparisons with DOC or DOI?

Thanks!
 
HofmannBlotter said:
Thanks man, is this speedy? I don't like stimulants at all, how is this?
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I wish I could answer that, but I don't really get vasoconstriction from many psychedelics, certainly not from DOC or DOM. I've never tried DOI.

Is it speedy? Yes. Or "yes, but..."

I don't like speedy psychedelics in general. They give me the somatic feeling of anxiety, which when tripping is easy for me to equate with actual anxiety. That said, I don't typically mind the stimulation that I get from DOC or DOM, especially if I channel it properly through a hike or dance or something. It feels more focused, less scattered and jangly than the unsettling stimulation that I get from 5-MeO-MET, 4-AcO-EPT, or 2C-B-FLY. Pharmacology be damned: they just feel more like d-amphetamine, while the others feel more like a quad shot of espresso. I went back through my notes to see if I thought it was more or less stimulating than DOC, but all I seem to have noted is that they were basically the same during the come-up, with DOC settling in and with DOM's stimulation basically remaining stable throughout.

And don't worry about necroposting here. It's good to keep threads active.
 
I'm inclined to agree with Esperighanto here. DOM is kinda known for being a stimulant and psychedelic rather than a stimulating psychedelic. How did DOC treat you?
 
Pralus said:
First time trying, 2.5mg I’m 1h 50 in… all I can say listening to my favourite music is AMAZING 🤩
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My fiance @Felidaez cooked an entire thanksgiving dinner on 10mg and it was fantastic, DOM is the only psychedelic that makes me compulsively clean my living space more than acid haha. Did DOM lead you to getting up to anything past music enjoyment? With how long it lasts it always makes for very long days for me.
 
Esperighanto said:
My fiance @Felidaez cooked an entire thanksgiving dinner on 10mg and it was fantastic, DOM is the only psychedelic that makes me compulsively clean my living space more than acid haha. Did DOM lead you to getting up to anything past music enjoyment? With how long it lasts it always makes for very long days for me.
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Yes the compulsive cleaning effect has been observed in all cultutes.
 
Took 1.6 ± 0.2 mg DOM HCl yesterday, straight from the scale. Given I had previous experience from a couple years ago with 5 mg of the substance and didn't seem sensitive, I didn't expect all that much to happen. But I was in for a pretty good trip. I'd say Shulgin ++ mostly, but with a decidedly mighty powerful introspective push. It reminded me a lot of how 2C-D can sometimes be in the 10 - 25 mg range. Honestly I think this low dosage range is not to be underestimated, neither for 2C-D, nor for DOM, and probably many other compounds. It's been many times now that I had extremely introspective experiences on rather low doses of psychedelics. Unfortunately, the bodyload was about as strong as I remember from the 5 mg. Maybe it is a good thing, because a friend of mine assured me it wouldn't get much worse in the higher dose range. But honestly I don't foresee myself going beyond 6 mg with my current sensitivity. The experience seemed biphasic in nature, for the first 4 h, there was a lot of self-criticism and beating myself up, as well as pleading for some changes that will have to be made, but will be hard for me. After that, it eased down, and most of the muscle tension in the upper body went away. It left me with an afterglow-type state (which would certainly be fully trippy on a fuller dose) for the next 5 h, when I went to sleep assisted by a GABAergic. I think it might have been possible without, but I'm surprisingly good at sleeping phens away. There was still muscle tension in the legs which I still feel today, but it did not feel as brutal. Today I feel like I see a lot of things clearer and have begun some of the steps that I pleaded myself to do.

PS: Of course dosing the DOM was a bit of a stupid decision, especially as I have not fully integrated my latest 2C-B experience from a week ago yet. I'm currently running a bit from things, and trying to confront myself with them by the use of psychedelics. The DOM just looked so cute and innocent and I wanted to shake hands at the door step. I didn't expect it to actually walk in on me through the door, but in hindsight, it was pretty damn good. Thank you DOM. I take back that it is not a worthwhile compound. I just wish there was a version with the same might, duration and potency without the bodyload.

My current psychedelic use is a bit rampant but right now I feel like it is helping. I'll really have to step away for a bit now though.

PPS: I don't know what got into Shulgin for introducing this compound to Owsley et al., if he really did. It does seem like a worthwhile compound, but at least I don't feel like it is refined enough for it to be used by more than a few masochistic nerds. Then again, it might very well be that he and others didn't have as extreme bodyload on it as me. It does not feel poisonous, but certainly very uncomfortable.
 
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xdrc said:
PPS: I don't know what got into Shulgin for introducing this compound to Owsley et al., if he really did. It does seem like a worthwhile compound, but at least I don't feel like it is refined enough for it to be used by more than a few masochistic nerds. Then again, it might very well be that he and others didn't have as extreme bodyload on it as me. It does not feel poisonous, but certainly very uncomfortable.
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One possible answer is to do with chronology. DOM was one of Shulgin's earliest discoveries, made before any of the 2C-X. That said, it is also one of Shulgin's "magical half-dozen", so he and/or others certainly saw a lot of value in it, even with the long duration.

I'm super excited to experiment with DOM when it's time and am kind of hoping (even though I probably shouldn't) that low doses will be like a long-acting low-dose 2C-D. Being that I already get difficult body load with 2C-D, we'll see what I get from DOM. I'll definitely start with a mini dose---probably 0.5 mg or even less.
 
xdrc said:
Took 1.6 ± 0.2 mg DOM HCl yesterday, straight from the scale. Given I had previous experience from a couple years ago with 5 mg of the substance and didn't seem sensitive, I didn't expect all that much to happen. But I was in for a pretty good trip. I'd say Shulgin ++ mostly, but with a decidedly mighty powerful introspective push. It reminded me a lot of how 2C-D can sometimes be in the 10 - 25 mg range. Honestly I think this low dosage range is not to be underestimated, neither for 2C-D, nor for DOM, and probably many other compounds. It's been many times now that I had extremely introspective experiences on rather low doses of psychedelics. Unfortunately, the bodyload was about as strong as I remember from the 5 mg. Maybe it is a good thing, because a friend of mine assured me it wouldn't get much worse in the higher dose range. But honestly I don't foresee myself going beyond 6 mg with my current sensitivity. The experience seemed biphasic in nature, for the first 4 h, there was a lot of self-criticism and beating myself up, as well as pleading for some changes that will have to be made, but will be hard for me. After that, it eased down, and most of the muscle tension in the upper body went away. It left me with an afterglow-type state (which would certainly be fully trippy on a fuller dose) for the next 5 h, when I went to sleep assisted by a GABAergic. I think it might have been possible without, but I'm surprisingly good at sleeping phens away. There was still muscle tension in the legs which I still feel today, but it did not feel as brutal. Today I feel like I see a lot of things clearer and have begun some of the steps that I pleaded myself to do.

PS: Of course dosing the DOM was a bit of a stupid decision, especially as I have not fully integrated my latest 2C-B experience from a week ago yet. I'm currently running a bit from things, and trying to confront myself with them by the use of psychedelics. The DOM just looked so cute and innocent and I wanted to shake hands at the door step. I didn't expect it to actually walk in on me through the door, but in hindsight, it was pretty damn good. Thank you DOM. I take back that it is not a worthwhile compound. I just wish there was a version with the same might, duration and potency without the bodyload.

My current psychedelic use is a bit rampant but right now I feel like it is helping. I'll really have to step away for a bit now though.

PPS: I don't know what got into Shulgin for introducing this compound to Owsley et al., if he really did. It does seem like a worthwhile compound, but at least I don't feel like it is refined enough for it to be used by more than a few masochistic nerds. Then again, it might very well be that he and others didn't have as extreme bodyload on it as me. It does not feel poisonous, but certainly very uncomfortable.
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It's called DOC. The 60s would have turned out fine if they made that instead of DOM
 
iom said:
One possible answer is to do with chronology. DOM was one of Shulgin's earliest discoveries, made before any of the 2C-X. That said, it is also one of Shulgin's "magical half-dozen", so he and/or others certainly saw a lot of value in it, even with the long duration.

I'm super excited to experiment with DOM when it's time and am kind of hoping (even though I probably shouldn't) that low doses will be like a long-acting low-dose 2C-D. Being that I already get difficult body load with 2C-D, we'll see what I get from DOM. I'll definitely start with a mini dose---probably 0.5 mg or even less.
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I do agree now that it is a worthwhile and probably deep material. Seems like my first visit at 5 mg was a bit meh due to influences in both set/setting at the time, or maybe the stars didn't align properly. It will still require some pushing through the bodyload for me (and I'd prefer if it wasn't there, like 2C-D which is essentially transparent for me). But I can't shake the feeling that it is a bit of a crude/unpolished psychedelic due to the bodily effects. Personally I would not recommend it to anyone but a very select group who can be trusted to use it wisely and be at peace with some unreasonable amount of bodyload. Giving 50 g of it away (if this is what truly happened) for it to land on the street sounds extremely bonkers and much unlike Shulgin to me. I wonder if he got anything in return. Oberlender said that Nichols got some ergoline precursor from Shulgin, who in turn got it from... and he cut off the sentence there.

I'm of course well aware of the historical progression. Speaking of that, with TMA-2 and DOM trialed, I think TMA-1 should also be visited to get to the roots.

I hope you can find something interesting in DOM with not too high a price to pay. Both the experience and after effects seem worth the cost for me. I'm so glad I read the articles by Baggotts, Trout and Daley, as well as listened to the advice of a DOM-head friend to give it another try.
 
iom said:
like a long-acting low-dose 2C-D
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Ehhh. Not quite how id describe it though there are similarities. 2C-D is mildly stimulating while DOM the stimulation is a majorbcomponent of the trip. 2C-D has a bit more emotional warmth and DOM i find hyper analytical. If i were to take DOM again it would be taken early in the day at a music festival in the fall or spring. I find it has a tendency to heat the body up so the few times i took it in hot weather it was a bit stressful amd at times confusing

My last go with it was this previous spring. id woken up to a text from the girl id been seeing and it was essentially a break up text. I dont know why i thought it would be a good idea or distraction from the heartache. It was very introspective and made me very self critical and probably did not raise my spirits one bit.

To each there own though i do find it has value its just not my first choice of psychedelic amphetamines. That would be TMA-2 and even though they are quite similar structurally i find TMA-2 much more recreational, heart opening, and therapeutic
 
It did not seem to me like 2C-E and DOM are all that much related, but with my (limited!) experience I found aspects of both DOM and 2C-E within 2C-D. However it would be very wrong to call 2C-D a blend of them. 2C-D with a little more DOM-like oomph without going straight into 2C-E-like territory would be splendid for me.
 
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xdrc said:
It did not seem to me like 2C-E and DOM are all that much related, but with my (limited!) experience I found aspects of both DOM and 2C-E within 2C-D. However it would be very wrong to call 2C-D a blend of them. 2C-D with a little more DOM-like oomph without going straight into 2C-E-like territory would be splendid for me.
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I would agree with all of these comparisons.
 
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