Opioids How strong is 7-OH compared to (smoking) heroin?

[Daddydopedick]

I recently found out about this drug, namely the vape, and I am intrigued to say the least. I couldn't find a specific post referencing the strength of 7-OH specifically. I have seen many clashing statements from various places online about how string 7-OH actually is, so could anyone who had it enlighten me, and, seeing as it's not a true opiate, does the high differ in any way, or does it just feel like an opiate high? I've heard that it's pretty strong. Also, if in power form, I highly doubt it could be smoked, at least in the usual way, like on foil. If in power form, can you actually even smoke it? Are there pros and cons I should be wary of other than its addictive nature?

Thanks for your time.

 

[Featherfall]

Dont smoke it, not worth it and doesnt work well, consumes way to much at once, it wont hit as hard as heroin but if you take enough it will. Beware, the tolerance builds ungodly fast and suboxone does not work for it due to its atypical action. Do not purchase the vapes, they arent a good deal. The high is different, but still a opioid, you can not Overdose on it at least, but some of the alternates on the market you can, classic 7-oh you cant. Its going to be safer than heroin by far, but mostly due to outside factors and not due to a direct comparison between the pure substances. Proceed at your own risk

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

I recently found out about this drug, namely the vape, and I am intrigued to say the least. I couldn't find a specific post referencing the strength of 7-OH specifically. I have seen many clashing statements from various places online about how string 7-OH actually is, so could anyone who had it enlighten me, and, seeing as it's not a true opiate, does the high differ in any way, or does it just feel like an opiate high? I've heard that it's pretty strong. Also, if in power form, I highly doubt it could be smoked, at least in the usual way, like on foil. If in power form, can you actually even smoke it? Are there pros and cons I should be wary of other than its addictive nature?

Thanks for your time.

I dont want to be a dick to kratom or 7oh. It's mid as hell compared to heroin. Heroin was like the king of drugs back in the day.

You would be able to get 7 oh. Heroin kind of barely exists in the modern day.

 

[rplate81]

Dont smoke it, not worth it and doesnt work well, consumes way to much at once, it wont hit as hard as heroin but if you take enough it will. Beware, the tolerance builds ungodly fast and suboxone does not work for it due to its atypical action. Do not purchase the vapes, they arent a good deal. The high is different, but still a opioid, you can not Overdose on it at least, but some of the alternates on the market you can, classic 7-oh you cant. Its going to be safer than heroin by far, but mostly due to outside factors and not due to a direct comparison between the pure substances. Proceed at your own risk

I am on bupe albeit an extremely low dose for MAT 2mg. When I was using 7-oh I would rotate between the two and since WD's come so fast with 7oh I'd use the bupe and it would take them away although it did take about 4mg to get me out of 120mg of 7oh WD's. I needed 4mg for a few days then I was able to go back to 2mg bupe for good now that I am no longer using 7oh.

 

[rplate81]

I recently found out about this drug, namely the vape, and I am intrigued to say the least. I couldn't find a specific post referencing the strength of 7-OH specifically. I have seen many clashing statements from various places online about how string 7-OH actually is, so could anyone who had it enlighten me, and, seeing as it's not a true opiate, does the high differ in any way, or does it just feel like an opiate high? I've heard that it's pretty strong. Also, if in power form, I highly doubt it could be smoked, at least in the usual way, like on foil. If in power form, can you actually even smoke it? Are there pros and cons I should be wary of other than its addictive nature?

Thanks for your time.

7Oh isn't very comparable to heroin as 7OH is a partial agonist opioid and doesn't fully activate your opioid receptors whereas heroin a full agonist will fully activate them so the feeling for me is completely different. My ROA when I used heroin was smoking it so I tried to smoke 7OH but I didn't find it effective.

 

[puke]

Smoking Kratom seems uselss. I do wonder if u can grind up and snort though, you know someones tried it.

 

[Deleted member 598141]

7oh is not comparable to heroin.

In terms of physical effects, like sedation (nodding), analgesia, and side effects like nystagmus, etc it's somewhat comparable to heroin. Maybe 50% less potent than heroin.

But in terms of euphoria and the most desirable opioid effects, its maybe 80% less potent than heroin. When tolerance to 7oh develops its like 95% less potent than heroin.

7oh also has a ceiling effect, heroin does not.

 

[Daddydopedick]

7oh is not comparable to heroin.

In terms of physical effects, like sedation (nodding), analgesia, and side effects like nystagmus, etc it's somewhat comparable to heroin. Maybe 50% less potent than heroin.

But in terms of euphoria and the most desirable opioid effects, its maybe 80% less potent than heroin. When tolerance to 7oh develops its like 95% less potent than heroin.

7oh also has a ceiling effect, heroin does not.

Thanks for the great answer, I appreciate it. I am aware that others similar to 7oh exist that are stronger, but I can't find them anywhere

Thanks again

 

[Daddydopedick]

I am on bupe albeit an extremely low dose for MAT 2mg. When I was using 7-oh I would rotate between the two and since WD's come so fast with 7oh I'd use the bupe and it would take them away although it did take about 4mg to get me out of 120mg of 7oh WD's. I needed 4mg for a few days then I was able to go back to 2mg bupe for good now that I am no longer using 7oh.

I'm also on bupe, specifically Espranor (those sublingual wafers). Having smoked strong heroin in the past, and currently being in bupe (albeit a small amount), I doubt 7oh would do much, unless it's fundamentally different, working on receptors in a different way, meaning the high is still possible? Or, would having a high tolerance due to heroin in the past and current bupe mean it's not worth it?

 

[Daddydopedick]

7Oh isn't very comparable to heroin as 7OH is a partial agonist opioid and doesn't fully activate your opioid receptors whereas heroin a full agonist will fully activate them so the feeling for me is completely different. My ROA when I used heroin was smoking it so I tried to smoke 7OH but I didn't find it effective.

Thanks, this answers a separate question I already had in mind, I appreciate it!

 

[RUC4]

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I recently found out about this drug, namely the vape, and I am intrigued to say the least. I couldn't find a specific post referencing the strength of 7-OH specifically. I have seen many clashing statements from various places online about how string 7-OH actually is, so could anyone who had it enlighten me, and, seeing as it's not a true opiate, does the high differ in any way, or does it just feel like an opiate high? I've heard that it's pretty strong. Also, if in power form, I highly doubt it could be smoked, at least in the usual way, like on foil. If in power form, can you actually even smoke it? Are there pros and cons I should be wary of other than its addictive nature?

Thanks for your time

it's an opiate high. similar feeling to dilaudid and some heroin, but not all.

and it's pretty strong. the difference is the ceiling effect 7oh has. you can't die from taking too much. if you could, i wouldn't be here.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I hear repeatedly that 7OH could be 10-13 times the potency of Morphine. As usual, this all gets muddied when we don´t know the precise route of administration involved. I assume they mean oral Morphine, but I have not been able to get a clear answer on that. I have never used it, but my belief based on what I know is that this number is likely somewhat accurate.

Being that you´re on Buprenorphine man, I would be doing you a disservice not to recommend you just keep taking it and explore other avenues for getting high. A primary issue that seems to be true with all of the Mitragynine alkaloids is that they have a compulsive element that I didn´t typically see with Heroin. Whenever I read or talk to people about their usage, it often seems like they use at irregular intervals based more on aberrant cravings than actual withdrawal.

Furthermore, I´ve been reading a ton about the Kratom situation, reading texts, watching interviews and talking to people at the vape shop. A lot of people I talk to say the high from 7OH lasts a decent several hours at first. They seem to be on a 3-4x per day schedule similar to Heroin. I feel it must be a characteristic of the drug, as it seems people often end up in these situations where they are using literally every 1.5-2 hours. I watched an interview with this guy:

¨I took 4 tablets 30 minutes ago, right before the interview I took 2 more. Maybe 30-40 minutes in, the cameraman asks the guy how he feels and he says he is fine but he can already feel the beginning of that crawling senstaion. Even then he said he had to really resist the urge to use more.

I have used Heroin before 10x in a day, yes, but for myself and most other junkies back in the day, we settled on the very traditional ¨3-4x per day in times of plenty, 2x in times of scarcity¨. I don´t know if it´s just because we were all taught how to do it by older guys or what, but it wasn´t a difficult thing for most of us. Does anyone have any commentary to this affect?

 

[Featherfall]

It seems to come down to the every 4 hours schedule like with Kratom, the higher your tolerance the shorter it lasts. Mgm-15 is supposed to last longer but i m pretty sure it reduces down the same in how long it lasts like 7oh