Opioids are the 7oh vapes similar to chasing the dragon?

[Featherfall]

Yes they are. I would also add the supplements D/L phenylalanine, Agmatine Sulfate, NAD+, and high dose liposomal vitamin C to the list of essential stuff for the average drug user's medicine cabinet.

bookmarking that, a good medicine cabinet is of great worth

 

[Jung and Stoopid]

yeah, thought as much, shits scary. Good to know sr-17 doesnt work either, thats one less thing to feel guilty about not learning about soon enough. He was on a 500mgs+ a day habit after year long opioid addiction, the 7oh coming to market was the final nail that speed it up. So the 24mgs subs did jack shit.
Now all thats left for me to find out is if Iboga works or not, anybody tried it yet?

Yeah 7oh withdrawals are no joke at 500mg. That's typically the amount I was on when I desperately needed to detox. Once I was up to 1000mg and that was considerably worse. I went straight to 24mg of suboxone and didn't sleep for 3 days. Subs cause precip withdrawal at that level.

Jumping from 500mg to 16mg of suboxone sucked, but I could at least get some broken sleep.

DLPA is crucial here, but only take it at night. It will provides enough dopamine to cancel out the restless legs and allows you to sleep.

Adderall or another source of dopamine will help through the day.

I would generally only recommend 8-16mg suboxone for 500mg. More than that doesn't help much.

 

[petateom]

I've found that boofing 15mg of 7-OH with low tolerance or none gives you an euphoric high almost comparable to oxycodone or smoking heroin. This is more euphoric and potent than oral and it can be def more euphoric than hydrocodone, but I don't get the same nodding effect.
From what I read this euphoria fades off faster if you use it daily. It's kinda crazy how euphoric can be and how different feels than regular kratom.

I've been able to responsable use it for a around 1 year, less than 1 time per month keeping low tolerance, however it was pretty tough and I discarded it at some point from my drug schedule, since I found myself becoming a bit obsessed with the substance in the week following its use, and reading how most users had issues controlling it made me a bit worried, let's stick with good ol leaf as a general advise I'd say.

Taking in consideration that MIT is converted into 7-OH in the liver, this makes me think that there's a cap how much is converted and how fast, it doesn't feel the same at all.

 

[Realm1932]

Was speaking to my GF at the time. She is a big head in the kratom industry and decided early on that she didn't want to have any part in 7. That's how I got the free 20g lol, I'd made it with her (so romantic!) and by the time it didn't smell like solvent, she didn't want it anymore. We were observing the whole 7 addiction thing really rear up and we came to the conclusion that in a weird way, because it IS safer than traditional opioids in regards to respiratory depression, you can actually take more and more without as serious of health risk, and combined with the ceiling effect, allowed people to take massive amounts which caused tolereance levels to skyrocket to the point that are hard to reach with H/Fent safely or without serious financial drain.

Man I got mad stories about the industry and life in general, that you won't hear all the time. :D

Ooooooooooo, I'm so interested! Can you indulge us/ me? Or can I message you? I am desperately looking to chat with people about research chemicals and making stuff like you and your girlfriend did, and that is romantic!

 

[Realm1932]

Yeah 7oh withdrawals are no joke at 500mg. That's typically the amount I was on when I desperately needed to detox. Once I was up to 1000mg and that was considerably worse. I went straight to 24mg of suboxone and didn't sleep for 3 days. Subs cause precip withdrawal at that level.

Jumping from 500mg to 16mg of suboxone sucked, but I could at least get some broken sleep.

DLPA is crucial here, but only take it at night. It will provides enough dopamine to cancel out the restless legs and allows you to sleep.

Adderall or another source of dopamine will help through the day.

I would generally only recommend 8-16mg suboxone for 500mg. More than that doesn't help much.

Would Wellbutrin help? It seems to be help me as I was looking for something to replace everything you are writing about. It's working and I'm surprised. SSRIs made me want to die but this is a different type of anti depression medicine.