Misc Why does specifically Nicotine withdrawal make you so angry?

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Literally any other withdrawal I've experienced (alcohol, benzos, barbs, opioids, amphetamines) I turn into this incredibly meek, scared, anxious person but when it comes to Nictoine withdrawal I just turn into a raging cunt? Why so different? Is there a science behind this?

 

[BK38]

I'd like an answer too. Bump.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

^I cannot emphasise the difference enough. Like any other withdrawal, rather than being my opinionated self, I'm often too scared to even open sites like twitter in case someone posted something mean to me lol. And I'm scared to answer the phone and wanna hide away from the world.
Nicotine withdrawal and I'm suddenly crazy and screaming and going insane and want the world to burn.

 

[paranoid android]

Id like a answer for this to. Lack of nicotine turns me into a fucking cunt. I look like i have roid rage or some shit. Im actually afraid to quit for this reason.

Would any meds help this? When i had no tolerance benzos and opiates seemed to help but not now

 

[lyrica333]

yeah, there is a science behind this

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

yeah, there is a science behind this

Care to elaborate, sir?

 

[streaM Freak]

Would any meds help this? When i had no tolerance benzos and opiates seemed to help but not now

Wellbutrin is actually off label somewhat supportive to quit smoking (smoking cessation).

For the thread, for me it was the irritability. I'm not sure if irritability comes before the anger for you @ChemicallyEnhanced ?

It definitely felt psychological and not physical.

If i were to compare it to meth withdrawal (mostly psychological) or even cocaine (psychological and physical) or alcohol withdrawal (mostly physical), the withdrawals are slightly different:

(this is something i've analyzed just now, so if it doesn't make sense i apologize, still editing as i think it through. also, maybe we need to start using new verbiage on this old "physical vs psychological" debate? because it's confusing to explain as some emotions can be physically felt whereas others are mostly just experience cognitively)

Meth was euphoric, fun, entertaining - withdrawal was simply lack of that.
Cocaine was euphoric, confidence boosting - withdrawal was a lack of clarity, depressed if binged.
Alcohol was warm, stress relieving - withdrawal was cold, maybe the shakes.
Nicotine was stress relieving - withdrawal was stress inducing - no real "come down", which made if feel mostly physiological (although a physical chemical reaction in the brain).

Nicotine withdrawal seemed to have a direct impact on my mood without giving me an altered sense of reality, so maybe that's why?

I visualize the drugs being like an up and a down on mood. And then nicotine being just a twisting of the current mood.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Id like a answer for this to. Lack of nicotine turns me into a fucking cunt. I look like i have roid rage or some shit. Im actually afraid to quit for this reason.

Would any meds help this? When i had no tolerance benzos and opiates seemed to help but not now

It's actually never occurred to me to take anything for it :/
It's not just Nicotine IMO 'cause when I'm in proper Nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, vapes do NOT fix it. They help, sure, but in the way that taking Codeine will help when you're in withdrawal from something like Heroin or Morphine. It's much better than just raw dogging it, but it's still far from making everything better. Gotta be other stuff in the tobacco, too. I know it has mild MAOI effects. Do we know of any other compounds in tobacco that would be psychoactive? (I know there's apparently hundreds)

 

[paranoid android]

It's actually never occurred to me to take anything for it :/
It's not just Nicotine IMO 'cause when I'm in proper Nicotine/tobacco withdrawal, vapes do NOT fix it. They help, sure, but in the way that taking Codeine will help when you're in withdrawal from something like Heroin or Morphine. It's much better than just raw dogging it, but it's still far from making everything better. Gotta be other stuff in the tobacco, too. I know it has mild MAOI effects. Do we know of any other compounds in tobacco that would be psychoactive? (I know there's apparently hundreds)

Ya vapes help abit but not much imo

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Wellbutrin is actually off label somewhat supportive to quit smoking (smoking cessation).

For the thread, for me it was the irritability. I'm not sure if irritability comes before the anger for you @ChemicallyEnhanced ?

It definitely felt psychological and not physical.

If i were to compare it to meth withdrawal (mostly psychological) or even cocaine (psychological and physical) or alcohol withdrawal (mostly physical), the withdrawals are slightly different:

(this is something i've analyzed just now, so if it doesn't make sense i apologize, still editing as i think it through. also, maybe we need to start using new verbiage on this old "physical vs psychological" debate? because it's confusing to explain as some emotions can be physically felt whereas others are mostly just experience cognitively)

Meth was euphoric, fun, entertaining - withdrawal was simply lack of that.
Cocaine was euphoric, confidence boosting - withdrawal was a lack of clarity, depressed if binged.
Alcohol was warm, stress relieving - withdrawal was cold, maybe the shakes.
Nicotine was stress relieving - withdrawal was stress inducing - no real "come down", which made if feel mostly physiological (although a physical chemical reaction in the brain).

Nicotine withdrawal seemed to have a direct impact on my mood without giving me an altered sense of reality, so maybe that's why?

I visualize the drugs being like an up and a down on mood. And then nicotine being just a twisting of the current mood.

Irritability is actually a much better descriptor for hw I get than angry. It's more extreme irritability. Like every tiny little thing makes me wanna scream. Like, I feel hysterical over EVERYTHING that isn't exactly, pefrectly what I want.
For me, withdrawals I get (main symptoms, not an exhaustive list)

Caffeine - headaches, lethargy, mild low mood
Alcohol - extreme sweating, vomiting, shaking so bad I need support to walk, I had a mini-stroke, I have had many massive grand mal seizures, hallucinations, total inability to sleep, unbareable anxiety
Amphetamines - none. I literally just get an overwhelming need to sleep, like I'm GOING to fall asleep no matter how hard I fight it, where I am, what I'm doing etc. I'll sleep like 24-36 hours straight, not even waking up for a glass of water or to go to the bathroom...but when I wake up I'm totally normal again
Benzodiazapines - total inability to sleep, severe constant anxiety, whole body feeling crawly and wrong, shaking, sweating, and I've also had grand mal seizures from this
Opioids - Nausea, severe diarrhea, vomiting, clammy/sweating, lacrimation with yawning, rhinorrhea, anxiety, insomnia, suicidal ideation, every cell in body hurts

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I should mention, with the nicotine withdrawal, the state I get into is FAST. The longest I have ever involuntarily gone without it is 4 hours lol.

Apart from sleeping, of course. Or when very sick. A couple years ago I had Diabetic Ketoacidosis and was i hospital for ~30 hours before (I guess it's on my records that I'm a heavy smoker) a nurse asked if I wanted a Nicotine patch and I realized that it had never even occurred to me to have a cigarette that whole time.

 

[paranoid android]

Ive tried zyban for nicotine wd and it did not help at all. Benzos and opiates helped before i had a tolerance to both. The rage i get from cig wd is fucking brutal. Maybe i can get high dose benzos off my shrink to quit i dont know

 

[Cheradenine]

I have been chewing quite a bit of nicotine chewing gum lately. What’s interesting is how I quickly build tolerance but never experience any withdrawals like I did with cigarettes. So either there are other psychoactive substances in cigarettes, or the ROA matters immensely.

 

[paranoid android]

I have been chewing quite a bit of nicotine chewing gum lately. What’s interesting is how I quickly build tolerance but never experience any withdrawals like I did with cigarettes. So either there are other psychoactive substances in cigarettes, or the ROA matters immensely.

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I think its the MAOI effect. This would make sense because i do get depression when i stop smoking. But mostly just rage lol. There has to be drugs that would help this ilke maybe a barbiturate or something

 

[drewbocop]

I'd like to tell you, but I'm angry and irritable most the time anyway, even when chain vaping...

 

[paranoid android]

I'd like to tell you, but I'm angry and irritable most the time anyway, even when chain vaping...

Im actually really chill. That is until the cigs run out then im like a fucking maniac

 

[Jnowhere]

^I cannot emphasise the difference enough. Like any other withdrawal, rather than being my opinionated self, I'm often too scared to even open sites like twitter in case someone posted something mean to me lol. And I'm scared to answer the phone and wanna hide away from the world.
Nicotine withdrawal and I'm suddenly crazy and screaming and going insane and want the world to burn.

Nicotine is frustrating that is why. Getting cigarettes, chewing tobacco( which trust me I have quit both, is worse). I think it has more nicotine( cans of Kodiak, Copenhagen, Skoal, ect: As opposed to real chewing tobacco, RedMan, Beechnut, Levi Garret ect..
That isn't as bad addiction wise.
Even more disgusting though.

The ease of getting it and the addictiveness makes it frustrating. That was always true and I smoke now, it makes it awful.

Worse, I found loose cigarette tobacco I really like, filtered tubes, and a decent cigarette making machine. So, It is cheaper, but that also means having plenty of tobacco around and new filtered tubes. I freak out when I can't find a lighter. It is a drug of habit, addiction and it actually does in the very short term handle anxiety and then you become dependent on dealing with the anxiety with a cigarette or a big pinch of Kodiak wintergreen.( But, I hate menthols,lol) Or whatever flavor or yuck Copenhagen.

It is a habit, and an addiction, sort of. I only smoke or ever get nicotine cravings in one room in my house.

Unfortunately it is where I spend most of my time inside. Somehow, being to lazy to get up and go outside after making a cigarette is too much effort.

I can be gone for 12 hours and not think about or want a cigarette at all. Then I sit in my favorite room and I have to have a smoke. I have no idea why. I almost never carry any cigarettes on me or ever smoke, except in one room of my house.

No clue. Maybe more habit than addiction.