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Any realistic alternatives to using weed at night?

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kava is a decent herbal anxiolytic that won’t pop on a piss test. i put some in my nightly cup of sleepytime chamomile, passionflower, and valerian root tea and it’s real relaxing before bed. the kava gives a bit of a tipsy feeling. nothing too crazy. i know you said you tried blue lotus, i’ve definitely enjoyed that with my tea and was very relaxed. it’s definitely not super strong tho.

if you’re looking to get high before bed, there’s not really any “reasonable” substitutes that you can safely take on a nightly basis. at least not without some risk of dependence or tolerance. if you’re looking to relax, all those weak herbs tend to be a lot stronger together. blue lotus, damiana, kava, valerian root, passionflower. don’t do much on their own but when combined have much more effect.

outside of RC cannabinoids of questionable safety there’s not really any weed adjacent substances that are safe to use regularly, readily available, and won’t pop a piss test.

however if you do find such a unicorn, i’d love to know
 
lexxbell said:
if you’re looking to get high before bed, there’s not really any “reasonable” substitutes that you can safely take on a nightly basis. at least not without some risk of dependence or tolerance.
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If you look at my 1st post many of the items are applicable, including for chronic use sans dependency/tolerance. I call these sustainable therapeutic mixes since you rely on the synergy of 2+ substances to ensure sustainability. Also THC isn't necessary for the classic high effect imo.

lexxbell said:
...there’s not really any weed adjacent substances that are safe to use regularly, readily available, and won’t pop a piss test.

however if you do find such a unicorn, i’d love to know
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See the items mentioned in my 1st post. To elaborate on terpenes, each has it's unique psychoactive profile. Plant terpenes are very common & inexpensive. They are active standalone, cannabinoids aren't necessary. In fact a few of these terpenes have cannabinoid qualities (and dopaminergic, GABAergic, serotonergic, opioidergic...).

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I half scoff at terpenes as sales technique but am actually pretty interested.

I would love some like potency information and more definitive effects --- ^actually those are about as definitive as I have ever seen so that is progress...
 
lexxbell said:
kava is a decent herbal anxiolytic that won’t pop on a piss test. i put some in my nightly cup of sleepytime chamomile, passionflower, and valerian root tea and it’s real relaxing before bed. the kava gives a bit of a tipsy feeling. nothing too crazy. i know you said you tried blue lotus, i’ve definitely enjoyed that with my tea and was very relaxed. it’s definitely not super strong tho.

if you’re looking to get high before bed, there’s not really any “reasonable” substitutes that you can safely take on a nightly basis. at least not without some risk of dependence or tolerance. if you’re looking to relax, all those weak herbs tend to be a lot stronger together. blue lotus, damiana, kava, valerian root, passionflower. don’t do much on their own but when combined have much more effect.

outside of RC cannabinoids of questionable safety there’s not really any weed adjacent substances that are safe to use regularly, readily available, and won’t pop a piss test.

however if you do find such a unicorn, i’d love to know
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Thanks. I've given kava a few tries and have found a decent strain of instant kava, which is from Vanuatu. The biggest problem I find with kava is having to wait for 3 hours or so after eating. I go to bed early, around 9.30 pm, so that gives me a very limited time to be able to use and then enjoy kava.

I guess I am looking for a high at night rather than simple relaxation.
 
I would suggest CBD, CBN, or maybe delta 8 THC if it doesn’t test positive, though I’ve never found weed to help much with sleep. Valerian root and l-tetrahydropalmatine are more helpful. Suicide is not a good sleep aid.
 
General alcazar said:
I would suggest CBD, CBN, or maybe delta 8 THC if it doesn’t test positive, though I’ve never found weed to help much with sleep. Valerian root and l-tetrahydropalmatine are more helpful. Suicide is not a good sleep aid.
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unfortunately d8 does pop on a piss test. all the smoke shop cannabinoid variants (D8, D10, THC-A, THC-P, HHC, EThC, EThC) will all pop on a piss test. some of which because of false positives due to similar metabolites. i may be wrong about some of them, but i know D8 and D10 will for sure
 
Troppo said:
I guess I am looking for a high at night rather than simple relaxation.
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The botanical terpenes can help here, particularly GABAergic, dopaminergic, opioidergic, cannabinoid and serotonergic ones.

Limonene (serotonergic) alongside myrcene & ß-caryophyllene (stoning) is a good starting point.
 
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