Nootropics Mushroom Gummies

[krodhc314]

Has anyone tried those "Road Trip" mushroom gummies? I've gotten mixed reviews. Nothing totally negative. I have a couple of bags of them for tonight and wondering what to expect.

 

[4DQSAR]

Single dose of magic mushroom psychedelic can cause anatomical brain changes, study finds

Participants took 25mg of psilocybin, reporting deeper psychological insight and better wellbeing a month later

www.theguardian.com

I thought this might interest you.

Sadly, @fastandbulbous appears to be MIA but they made quite an interesting point in that such fungi convert tryptophan into 4-OH N,N-DMT (psilocin) so if one were to feed them an N-monosubstituted tryprophan derivative, the result might well be an N-<whatever your monosubstitution>,N-methyl 4-OH trypramine.

4-OH MET might well be a good option or even 4-OH MAT but the point is, you get the fungi to to all of the heavy lifting.

 

[Didgital]

Ehh.
I would steer clear of products like those, but mainly because I'd prefer to know exactly what I'm getting at what dose. A lot of the OTC mushroom gummies out there do not contain psilocin (4-OH-DMT) but rather very close analogues or prodrugs.

4-HO-MET sadly is being marketed rather brazenly.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acsomega.5c10889

 

[4DQSAR]

Well, it just show how out-of-the-loop I am. I'm more interesed in useful things and potentially useful things, not in dubious products.

Misrepresenting a product is out-of-bounds. Possibly they did what I described but that would only be IN the fungi so possibly not. I note it is mentioned in Tihkal although oxalyl chloride isn't something I would play with.

 

[Didgital]

Misrepresenting a product is out-of-bounds.

My mantra essentially. For one to use a drug safely, they need to start with knowing exactly what that drug is and how much.

There's a whole hamilton podcast on it. Here's how the current wave has evolved. It started w companies selling 4-aco-dmt in gummies etc, but eventually some level of decomposition occurs, and shelf products started testing hot. Not good.
So then these "legal" mushroom companies got wise to the shulgin trypts, and starting making 4-ho or 4-aco DET.
Well then they got wiser and realized 4-HO-DET kinda sucks so now we are at 4-HO-MET avail in gas stations/headshops... which I dunno, I want people to have access. I just want them to also know what they're taking.

 

[xdrc]

No, these compounds are unlikely to be made by exploitation of biosynthetic pathways a la Gartz, which is known to be somewhat finnicky. Full synthesis and into the chocolate it goes.

Misrepresenting a product is out-of-bounds. Possibly they did what I described but that would only be IN the fungi so possibly not. I note it is mentioned in Tihkal although oxalyl chloride isn't something I would play with.

 

[4DQSAR]

No, these compounds are unlikely to be made by exploitation of biosynthetic pathways a la Gartz, which is known to be somewhat finnicky. Full synthesis and into the chocolate it goes.

Well, I appreciate you filling in for areas where I only know what others have told me. It means a lot to have people who understand such things. I just saw it as a potential way to produce things that may not be full on psychedelics but of more value in treatment of people dealing with mental health issues.

Or indeed a way one could legally in UK terms taste a few different things.

 

[Featherfall]

My mantra essentially. For one to use a drug safely, they need to start with knowing exactly what that drug is and how much.

There's a whole hamilton podcast on it. Here's how the current wave has evolved. It started w companies selling 4-aco-dmt in gummies etc, but eventually some level of decomposition occurs, and shelf products started testing hot. Not good.
So then these "legal" mushroom companies got wise to the shulgin trypts, and starting making 4-ho or 4-aco DET.
Well then they got wiser and realized 4-HO-DET kinda sucks so now we are at 4-HO-MET avail in gas stations/headshops... which I dunno, I want people to have access. I just want them to also know what they're taking.

issue of it being all grey market, if only you could just go into a pharmacy and buy exact unlabed/unadervtised powder...

 

[4DQSAR]

No - I certainly wouldn't BUY fungi. It's possible to culture them and it just struck me as a neat way to AVOID needing to use the more dubious precursors. It's always been something of a grey area even in the UK with the fungi themselves being legal, but 'preparation' of any kind being the offence. Even cultivation doesn't appear to be a priority. I suppose nobody dying or ending up commiting crimes to fund a 'habit' mean UK police are pragmatic. Simply a question of is it better to arrest or is that a waste of resource? Is it worth the CPS getting involved and a PO having to give evidence in court?

 

[Ismene2]

You're a bit out of date 4D - the law changed after the summer of love from 2004-2007. Labour govt made everything class A in 2007 even growkits are classA - the only legal part of shrooms since has been their spores.

When they brought in that law in 2007 I bought 4 kilos of fresh mushrooms - you could buy a kilo fresh for £200

You not tried 4-ho-met?

 

[4DQSAR]

I don't play the 'mystery powder game'. But I have known people who went from spore to fungi - I didn't even know there were kits as this was long ago and spores were it.

 

[Ismene2]

The kits were (almost) as good as buying fresh shrooms. They came as big cakes already innoculated with a layer of white mycelium growing and you put them somewhere warm and humid and within 2-4 weeks you had mushrooms. It was a bitter blow when they even banned those. It was Caroline Flint - said they sent the children mad or some nonsense.

 

[4DQSAR]

I have seen kits.

When I said 'pragmatic', I meant that it appears that only people who grow magic mushrooms as a commercial enterprise are targetted. I do occassionally look at court reports and what I found interesting was that the majority of people found to have been growing mushrooms at scale were also growing cannabis at scale. Yes, a few people who were growing to sell at a small scale did end up in court, a suspended sentence seeming the most common outcome. But those growing for their own use don't turn up and I suggest the reason is that in such cases, a formal caution (technically termed an 'out-of-court disposal') was the outcome.

This always fascinates me.

How people who are enganged in multiple serious criminal endevours either don't note or choose to ignore the fact that the risk isn't additive, it's multiplicative i.e. if they are involved in serious crime, lesser offences simply doesn't register. Almost as if that getting away with it for a long time confirs legal immunity.

I have direct experience of this. My wife's parked car was dinged by a vehicle as it was being parked. Neighbours witnessed the event and after being confronted, the driver gave a false address and a mobile number that was disconnected within an hour. So she went to the police and for six or seven months we kept on getting phone calls from the police informing of us of how the case was progressing. We couldn't work out what on earth was going on. It turned out that the driver was a Triad and was part of a huge people smuggling ring and money laundering operation.

Now to me, it would seem rational to simply admit fault and offer to pay. It was just the quarterlights so couldn't possibly have been expensive even if the work was carried out by a main dealer. But it almost seemed that the attitude was that she would just accept the loss and pay.

I suggest that the police have enough experience to know who is 'just an idiot' and who is growing with the intent of financally profitting from doing so. Certainly the one commonality in EVERY case that reached court was the seizure of large sums of money the defendent couldn't explain.

 

[Ismene2]

I know someone who got dragged through court for possession of mushrooms worth a grand total of £18. I would NEVER assume the police have anything better to do - they almost certainly dont.

 

[4DQSAR]

I know someone who got dragged through court for possession of mushrooms worth a grand total of £18. I would NEVER assume the police have anything better to do - they almost certainly dont.

I'm always curious when no details are provided.

If someone is making an arse of themselves, the police WILL play it by the book. They use the out-of-court disposal route within a framework but it's still largely at the discretion of the arresting officers. Typically it's people who REFUSE to admit guilt and refuse to accept a formal caution that means such cases end up in court.

If someone has a long history of convictions, that's another reason why an out-of-court disposal would not be appropriate. If it's a serious crime, that would be another but you did assert the value was tiny so I can't imagine that would be a reason.

Obviously, without any details, all I can do is lay out how the various ways an offcence are dealt with and the most common reasons why a given case will be dealt with in a specific way.

£18 is a really ODD number. How on earth was that figure arrived at? Plead guilty at a magistrate's court and that's an end to it. Or do you mean he protested his innocence and THEN got dragged through the court? If you are guilty, thinking you can outsmart the CPS is a really stupid idea. Guilty but contrite works, Not guilty and bang on about being 'picked on' or saying the law is unfair just DOESN'T.

Whatever your personal position on the right of all well informed adults having the inalienable right to consume whatever they choose, the law is the law.

 

[Ismene2]

Pleaded guilty first opportunity, first offence. They arrived at £18 cos it was a drug none of them had ever heard of being sold before so they couldnt claim a price for it.

Simply an easy win for the police involved enabling them to claim they are "winning" the drug war. Do you think they sit there with a winning case and go "Nah, its not big enough for us, we'll let him off, we've got better things to do"? That might happen on TV, incredibly rarely in real life, particularly in small towns with not a lot of drug cases -they'll take EVERY drug case they can find all the way. Have you ever been arrested for drugs and seen what kind of atitude you are treated with? How much many police HATE drug users with every fibre of their being? Its quite eye opening. You aint getting "let off".

Remember, the more drug arrests you make, the more money you can claim for your "anti drug unit" next year.

 

[Robi]

I want them

 

[4DQSAR]

Pleaded guilty first opportunity, first offence. They arrived at £18 cos it was a drug none of them had ever heard of being sold before so they couldnt claim a price for it.

So they told the police it was a form of magic mushroom apon arrest?

I mean, it does make sense that an arresting officer couldn't use a formal; caution (which also get's recorded so any mythincal figures WOULD include the case, BTW) if they had no idea what it was, but I'm pretty sure they know what magic mushrroms look like.

So what you ACTUALLY mean is that the CPS had nothing better to do.

I can only imagine if it was a non-native species, a test case was used to provide that information to the police, judiciary and CPS because £18 means that qualatative analysis must have been involved.

I'm curious. I have yet to hear of a person being caught who didn't think back over the weeks and months to try to indentify why they were targetted. I don't mean to 'beyond reasonable doubt' standard but most times people pretty much work out who could have made a criminal complaint. Neighbours can be a nightmare as I know from direct experience. But you would be amazed how petty some people will be. Fall out with someone and they will write a complaint stating you are a drug dealer - all sorts of crazy stuff.

 

[Ismene2]

The police dont ask you what an unknown substance is at the point they arrest you - why bother? Its like asking a drunk driver how many pints he's had. They send it to be tested. It was dried mushroom in capsules. They just guessed £18 because they had never seen dried mushroom being sold before. They spent 6 months sending it to a lab to test and find out what it was - so clearly theres absolutely no shortage of money. Why not take it to court? Certainly looks better for them than a formal caution does.

 

[iom]

I don't know how it works in other places, but here in states they'd be likely to weigh the mushrooms---3g or whatever---and then pronounce it to contain "3g of psilocybin", which they might then misreport as being worth tens of thousands of dollars. Sadly our criminal justice system is that ludicrous when it comes to drugs, probably related to the lucrative opportunities made possible by civil asset forfeiture law.