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What is Considered a Normal/Abnormal Amount of Daily Heroin?

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I'm trying to do a little research that I figured would be basic but dumbass AI isn't cooperating.

I'm simply wondering what amount of daily heroin is too dangerous or basically impossible without death? I'm not asking for extreme miracle or macho stories like "I drank 2 liters of whiskey in one day!" type of stuff.

But back to heroin... If you're an addict and your addicted friend tells you he/she uses 1 gram per day, would that seem normal to you? Or even to an addict would that be unexpectedly alarming?
 
I'm trying to do a little research that I figured would be basic but dumbass AI isn't cooperating.

I'm simply wondering what amount of daily heroin is too dangerous or basically impossible without death? I'm not asking for extreme miracle or macho stories like "I drank 2 liters of whiskey in one day!" type of stuff.

But back to heroin... If you're an addict and your addicted friend tells you he/she uses 1 gram per day, would that seem normal to you? Or even to an addict would that be unexpectedly alarming?
Check this out OP: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Heroin (keep in mind that the numbers referenced on this website are for 100% pure heroin - most heroin will be cut and could potentially be spiked with nasty stuff like fentanyl or nitazenes so be very cautious and test your drugs if possible).
 
Some one not me interpret that what i posted. Thats sounds crazy i think i would be dead at 10mg. Or less. Never took Heroin. That sounds as wrong interpretation For people that have massive tolerance to street Heroine. Its taken in conjunction with Methadon. They titrate upwards very slowly. Smoked also is mentioned page 46/ 47 ...

https://www.ggzstandaarden.nl/api/v2/tools/42b7a13c-9189-4e31-abf1-177215096771/file
 
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I like measuring out heroin, does just "eyeing" fenny dust ever get to anyone else, plus half the shit is stepped on. Its obvs heroin is better you can draw it up in the syringe!
 
translated it the GGZ standard for hardcore user. Supplied 100% Heroine:

"In the Netherlands, a combined pharmacological treatment with methadone is used (preferably >30-50 mg) and heroin as needed with a maximum of 400 mg per dose and 1000 mg per day." page 46/47
 
5mg Heroin insufflated would likely make any non-habituated person very intoxicated for several hours. There is some variation from person to person, but that would be the majority of people.

Economics are going to be equally relevant when determining the total Heroin intake for a given region. You asked the question, "how much Heroin can a person use before it kills them?" In my experience, there is not a practical limit at which a person's tolerance to Opioids will stop increasing. I believe there could be some theoretical limit, but I have not ever heard of it or encountered it. In my experience, a person's tolerance to Opioids can grow infinitely.

Also, Heroin does not really exist anymore in North America, at least not as anything other than a "specialty" item catering to enthusiasts of the drug. Fentanyl, Fentanyl analogs and to a lesser extent, other potent synthetic Opioids (Nitazenes for instance) are currently what is available on the streets. I have not heard of Heroin being available in any significant quantity in North America for at least 5 years.

If you were on the East Coast prior to Fentanyl, it would be common for a person to use 1g-2g per day intravenously as a dedicated addict. If you met a person who was doing more, they were likely on a spiral or headed for ruin. If you were doing less than 0.5g per day, you were not yet a full junkie but you would be soon. I was always told ~30%-40% purity was not an unreasonable figure in and around Boston. The truth is, I don't know and I don't know anybody who does know. You can't rely on official numbers for anything.

I have also used Morphine/Heroin in the Middle East and in Southeast Asia. The Heroin in Cambodia was stated to be pure and I believe it was quite pure. It was clearly stronger than what I had used in Boston. Still, I ended up routinely injecting 3g per day, as I could afford it. If we are running the numbers, that could be equivalent to injecting 6g-7g per day of Boston Heroin. That should give you perspective regarding tolerance. It just keeps going up.

You're doing research. Something you're never gonna hear people talk about, is that unlimited Heroin is not even enjoyable. You think it's gonna be the greatest thing ever; everything you've always wanted. When I was injecting that much Heroin, it made me feel numb emotionally and physically to such an uncomfortable extent that I found myself routinely screaming as loud as I could to convince myself that I was still alive and existed. I would use more Heroin in an attempt to get rid of that feeling. My body and mind had adapted to understand Heroin = Good; More Heroin = More Good. When that equation broke down in my mind it was a pretty unsettling experience.

Still, once I reduced my usage and was using 0.5g-1g maximum of the SE Asia dope per day, a lot of the positive feelings returned and I became more functional. By the time I left, I had learned that using any more than 0.5g in a day led to a significant lessening of the positive effects of the drug. This is something you can only learn when you have free access to the drug with essentially no consequences. It's only then that you can freely investigate and interpret your relationship with the drug, not the relationship with you, the drug and your money or you, the drug and the legal system or you, the drug and your girlfriend; just you and the drug.

So to put a bow on this, a person who is using Heroin the "right" way is going to be using the lowest amount possible. This is not because it's safer, cheaper or because it's the right thing to do; it's because this is how they achieve the greatest cost/benefit relationship with the drug. For the record, even that 0.5g of Cambodian Heroin I'm talking about would likely be way too much for most people and was probably still a little too much for me.
 
Also, Heroin does not really exist anymore in North America, at least not as anything other than a "specialty" item catering to enthusiasts of the drug. Fentanyl, Fentanyl analogs and to a lesser extent, other potent synthetic Opioids (Nitazenes for instance) are currently what is available on the streets. I have not heard of Heroin being available in any significant quantity in North America for at least 5 years.

If you were on the East Coast prior to Fentanyl, it would be common for a person to use 1g-2g per day intravenously as a dedicated addict. If you met a person who was doing more, they were likely on a spiral or headed for ruin. If you were doing less than 0.5g per day, you were not yet a full junkie but you would be soon. I was always told ~30%-40% purity was not an unreasonable figure in and around Boston. The truth is, I don't know and I don't know anybody who does know. You can't rely on official numbers for anything.
what has baffeld me quite a bit reading up on sever opioid addiction, is that scientifically we have no answer to the shit you can openly see going on in many poor streets of the US today. Pharmacologically i mean, considering people have 'graduated' so far at this point that they can be slamming drugs in the potency range of carfentanyl (a truly lovely, 1.34ug for a normal fatal dose) in very very high amounts. Boosted by whatever the fuck is in the modern day fentanyl and its extra tranquilizers. Just looking at the xylazine death range shows insane variance thats likely explained by unbelievable tolerance.

It is mind boggeling that the human body can manage to get trained to a point where multiple grams of fentanyl are needed. A whole gram of heroin is already a crazy tolerance, but grams of fentanyl? and the even stronger fent analogues and nitazenes? One would think that at a certain point of crazy high potency and being so highly lipophillic, it basically just walks right through your bloodbrain barrier, a drug could physically not be ingested in such high amounts, but yet. You see it happen, in the wikipedia article on xylazine it puts the range of death at "40mgs-2400mg" 2 and a half whole fucking grams of xylazine where found in somebody how does the body even accept that much and not just flush it through at that point??
 
I know I probably shouldn't be spreading information that I can't immediately verify. If anyone else knows what the hell I'm talking about/referencing here, please chime in. This is a story from maybe 10 years ago now, however it might have already been old by the time I found it. There was this guy, he was a chemist of some kind with access to all of the precursors a person might need to do fun things and the equipment to do it on.

He got the idea that he was going to synthesize Opioids for himself. He ended up doing this. I can't remember exactly what it was that he made, suffice to say it was a sufficiently potent Opioid and he had a seemingly endless supply of it due to his position. He ended up making it into a nasal spray and he woul just to sniffs all throughout the day. This went on for some time. The man could continually raise his tolerance to the point that he was more dependent upon Opioids than the medical establishment had ever really seen in practice.

The guy eventually got in trouble, couldn't keep his tolerance going, got fired or something. He was so dependent upon Opioids by this time that the medical establishment simply could not medicate him to the extent required to mitigate withdrawal without seemingly sidestepping medical ethics completely. The guy ended up killing himself as he was so miserable and could get no real relief for it.

Please tell me I'm not imagining this story people.
 
This is a highly subjective question. For one, heroin has been gone a long time. Two, this question depends entirely on the person, their tolerance, but above all their bankroll. Some people would do a couple 20s a day if that, because they were not resourceful or go getter style drug addicts. Other more hardworking types could easily do 1/2/300 dollars a day in junk. This question is kind of silly. NO amount of heroin is 'normal.'
 
I know I probably shouldn't be spreading information that I can't immediately verify. If anyone else knows what the hell I'm talking about/referencing here, please chime in. This is a story from maybe 10 years ago now, however it might have already been old by the time I found it. There was this guy, he was a chemist of some kind with access to all of the precursors a person might need to do fun things and the equipment to do it on.

He got the idea that he was going to synthesize Opioids for himself. He ended up doing this. I can't remember exactly what it was that he made, suffice to say it was a sufficiently potent Opioid and he had a seemingly endless supply of it due to his position. He ended up making it into a nasal spray and he woul just to sniffs all throughout the day. This went on for some time. The man could continually raise his tolerance to the point that he was more dependent upon Opioids than the medical establishment had ever really seen in practice.

The guy eventually got in trouble, couldn't keep his tolerance going, got fired or something. He was so dependent upon Opioids by this time that the medical establishment simply could not medicate him to the extent required to mitigate withdrawal without seemingly sidestepping medical ethics completely. The guy ended up killing himself as he was so miserable and could get no real relief for it.

Please tell me I'm not imagining this story people.
I have no doubt it's true or based on a true story. There are some very resourceful people out there and eventually your brain just becomes fried to the point that nothing will help in extreme situations like that. I am reminded of a story I know to be 100% true though about a chemist that was making Demerol analogues at home, screwed it up and gave himself Parkinson's. He legitimately made a substance that gives you Parkinson's. It generated a whole new field of study related to Parkinsons research and he did eventually end up killing himself also.


 
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Please tell me I'm not imagining this story people.

I heard that story too. In the version I read, the chemist supposedly named 'his' drug Pharaoh fentanyl. heh. Nice bit of dramatic flare to the story.
 
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