Dissociatives Any experience with cheap batch of rock ketamine going around recently? (NA, possibly from EU)

[isotuden]

Hello all, just wanted to ask about probably the most unique batch of ketamine I have ever seen advertised. They're big crystalline rocks, even bigger than the FXE rocks I used to get 4 years ago, I'd say almost like 3/4 cubic inch but shaped like malformed pyramids or parallelohedra so they definitely don't take up the volume of a full cubic inch. , maybe theyre more like half. This is all just based on a photo, I don't have any or anything, but I mainly wanted to ask because I haven't personally seen rock ketamine before offered in the US and I haven't seen any kind of k for so CHEAP. Does anyone happen to know what I'm talking about in particular? This is a very recent thing I've seen, before its all been shards or sand. If anyone has had anything similar I would love to hear your thoughts on what it is, if you've tested it at all, and if it has any unique effects. I know that I can't actually determine this visually so I'll invest in a test kit if I ever get some of this stuff of course

 

[isotuden]

And I can compare with both 2-FDCK and FXE visually: 2-F was very consistent and looked a bit "purer" or at least more even and a bit more translucent, came in small rocks about 1cm, wasn't too jagged but didn't have distinct faces and wasn't powdery in appearance at all.

FXE was much more jagged, powdery-white, opaque, and odd looking, almost looked like a crystalline super-aged bright white hard cheese or something. Imagine a crystal that looks like if you were God and took a big cut out of a Minecraft voxel world's mountainside and shrunk it down into a little white object, I'm not sure if that makes sense but thats whats coming to mind. They were also much bigger crystals, the biggest one I got was a 2g that was a full inch long and about 3/4 inch wide and 1/2 inch thick.

This batch I'm asking about, compared to these, is about the size of FXE rocks from what I have seen, probably bigger, and they are more of a mix of visibly translucent crystal faces and powdery eroded edges. The rocks themselves are shaped more like the 2-FDCK rocks I've encountered/seen though, less jagged/sharp but they do have defined looking edges/corners

 

[Bicycle Tripper]

I've had ketamine like that in the UK. Once crushed to a powder it had the effects I would expect from Ketamine. It was pretty cheap but a lot of ketamine is here.

 

[Didgital]

Hello all, just wanted to ask about probably the most unique batch of ketamine I have ever seen advertised. They're big crystalline rocks, even bigger than the FXE rocks I used to get 4 years ago, I'd say almost like 3/4 cubic inch but shaped like malformed pyramids or parallelohedra so they definitely don't take up the volume of a full cubic inch. , maybe theyre more like half. This is all just based on a photo, I don't have any or anything, but I mainly wanted to ask because I haven't personally seen rock ketamine before offered in the US and I haven't seen any kind of k for so CHEAP. Does anyone happen to know what I'm talking about in particular? This is a very recent thing I've seen, before its all been shards or sand. If anyone has had anything similar I would love to hear your thoughts on what it is, if you've tested it at all, and if it has any unique effects. I know that I can't actually determine this visually so I'll invest in a test kit if I ever get some of this stuff of course

Do you happen to be in CO or OR?

I ask because here in CO we get something called Oregon Chunk (dunno if the lab is in OR or that's a false trail)
It's generally considered better then the sand or rods we get here

 

[Esperighanto]

I ask because here in CO we get something called Oregon Chunk (dunno if the lab is in OR or that's a false trail)
It's generally considered better then the sand or rods we get here

This is fascinating to me, I am unaware of any domestic clandestine production of 2'-Oxoarylcyclohexylamines (ket and friends, as opposed to PCP and friends), and it's not the most trivial thing to whip up in the first place when you're talking about acquiring 3-chlorosubstituted benzene/oic acid/other usable precursors like you'd need to create ketamine. For people reading this thread in the future, I want to point out that in the same way that CanKet/2-FXE could be called (though in an unnecessarily verbose manner) 2-Fluoro-2'-Oxo-PCE, ketamine would in that same naming format be 3-Chloro-2'-Oxo-PCM, swapping the PCE (ethylamino) for PCM (methylamino) and the 2-fluoro substitution for 3-chloro.

If whoever your local supplier is pays more than roughly 1/8 the cost of a Big Mac per gram that they acquire, they're almost certainly not buying from a lab, they're probably going through the middleman of a middleman of a middleman. I also suspect that clandestine arylcyclohexylamine production would follow the pressures of capitalism and focus on more exotic and sought after compounds, there's little reason to not make methoxetamine or 3-MeO-PCP or MXPCP if you can make ketamine imo. Has anybody had this "rock ketamine" moved through a mass spec yet? I found this sample of CanKet showing up as "Dutch rock ketamine" on drugsdata: https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=7887 . These though indicate that a similar looking "rock"-ish crystal structure can be found in at least both ketamine and CanKet, https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=19746 , https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=14296 , https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=16563 and https://www.drugsdata.org/view.php?id=18631 .

Sorry about the million questions, I'm usually pretty well plugged into clandestine chem circles and there is a huge drought in people producing anything domestically outside of old school gang affiliated sherm, at least as far as I'm aware.

 

[Didgital]

there's little reason to not make methoxetamine

I've said this to a million people but the people who move K in qty move it because it's pretty mainstream, and mainstream customers don't always want to take an unheard of drug even if it was one of the most popular RC's of all time. It's duration also I think would throw off a lot of mainstream K users. Now if one were to distribute on a DNM, could prolly make millions...

I can't speak for the OP but I've tested the chunk several times and it's always +99% with just ketamine identified. I've tested sand and rods dozens of times though and while they usually come back pure K, occasionally we'll see small amounts of DCK (never >4%) And I've seen it in both rods and sand which look identical. I always assumed it was cross contamination from being made/packed at same facility as DCK though. K in my mind is almost more mysterious than LSD. Like I can't deny I've taken 2 different types of K that both test 99% and seem to have subtle differences. The rods I've thought to myself are a bit less wonky and more dancy. I've always put the subtle differences to R/S isomer ratios being slightly different, but I had left the testing lab I worked at right around the same time they got a polarimeter so I was never able to see.

 

[Esperighanto]

I've said this to a million people but the people who move K in qty move it because it's pretty mainstream, and mainstream customers don't always want to take an unheard of drug even if it was one of the most popular RC's of all time. It's duration also I think would throw off a lot of mainstream K users. Now if one were to distribute on a DNM, could prolly make millions...

I would imagine that the same would therefore also have kept 2-FXE from ever hitting the market though, maybe precursor availability varies sometimes and affects this, idrk.

I can't speak for the OP but I've tested the chunk several times and it's always +99% with just ketamine identified. I've tested sand and rods dozens of times though and while they usually come back pure K, occasionally we'll see small amounts of DCK (never >4%) And I've seen it in both rods and sand which look identical. I always assumed it was cross contamination from being made/packed at same facility as DCK though. K in my mind is almost more mysterious than LSD. Like I can't deny I've taken 2 different types of K that both test 99% and seem to have subtle differences. The rods I've thought to myself are a bit less wonky and more dancy. I've always put the subtle differences to R/S isomer ratios being slightly different, but I had left the testing lab I worked at right around the same time they got a polarimeter so I was never able to see.

Interesting, I'd love to know if it relates to isomerism but there's also some indication that crystal forms of this pharmaceutical that's on the tip of my tongue can alter how it metabolizes in some really minute but noticeable way, I'll see if I can figure out what that compound is.

 

[xdrc]

3-chlorosubstituted benzene/oic acid/other usable precursors like you'd need to create ketamine

Ketamine is 2-chloro, and so are its precursors. Afaik the compound which only needs the final rearrangement is often sold, and I suspect loads of ketamine are diverted from the pharmaceutical market one way or another.

 

[Esperighanto]

Ketamine is 2-chloro, and so are its precursors. Afaik the compound which only needs the final rearrangement is often sold, and I suspect loads of ketamine are diverted from the pharmaceutical market one way or another.

Yep, thanks for catching that. I wrote that post while actively on enough ketamine to not be the best person to answer this question, but alas, my hubris motivated me to write that out and post it hahaha.