Kratom laws in California

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I just saw an article saying that as of March both Kratom and 7oh have been made illegal to sell or manufacture in California. Surprised me to hear that Kratom was included, though I knew they going to with 7oh. Interestingly, the law doesn't apply to possession. Also, I still see smoke shops with kratom signs up, though I suppose maybe they just forgot to take them down. I had been hearing about raids on smoke shops and such around the state recently, though.
I've always gotten my ktatom powder ( no 7oh) mail order from out of state. I wonder how closely they will enforce that?
 
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They just banned this sh just after I get a habbit. Now I have to find some other place or get delivered.
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They just banned this sh just after I get a habbit. Now I have to find some other place or get delivered.
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I recently ordered some plain kratom online from out of state, no problem. But for us here, there isn't a law against possessing it, only against sale, so I don't think there is a legal issue to buy it however. May be different for you
 
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That's interesting. The other day on meth type law some babies were satanic dog heads and everyone smoked meth but no one was hurt I thought that everyone was laughing at a laughing level
 
You can always tells they're straight trolling when they pass a law like that on 4/20. Our local Government has done that multiple times. Always pissed me off that the biggest cocaine users in the area got together and passed something into law on 4/20. Long ago when I was in high school they somehow managed to cut off the entire town's supply of weed for 2-3 months. They put up billboards everywhere bragging about it.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from Alaska and Hawaii, can't US citizens simply DRIVE or even take a train to other states without any sort of physical search? If 7-OHM is the goldmine I think it is, making it in one state and selling it in another (where it's more valuable) seems a likely outcome. I found this:


I recall when mitragynine picrate first became an item of commerce in the 90s and now I see the loophole. Picric acid is toxic so if importation is detected, any reasonable defence council would rightly point out that mitragynine picrate is toxic and so cannot be consumed therefore cannot be considered as a drug. I mean, I personally wouldn't RELY on such a defence, but it IS a loophole.

I'm also somewhat aware that 'cooks' in the US have discovered a new way to oxidize mitragynine to 7-OHM without the need for toxic heavy metals or perilously explosive hypervalent iodine compounds. It appears someone has noted that simple Oxone™ (a swimming-pool cleanser in which KH2SO5, a peroxyacid salt is the active) will perform the delicate single-electron transfer oxidation to 7-OHM. From the little I've read, yield is around 55-65% and assuming unreacted mitragynine is the only alkaloid impurity left after the reaction, well, it isn't toxic and is active so can simply be left in the final product.

On one hand, this could be viewed through the MAGA lens as 'buying American made' but I can't help noting that people who use 7-OHM have talked about how dreadful the AWS is.

I would be quite surprised if someone isn't already trying to find a way to telescope the synthesis of MGM-15. Researchers generally don't worry to much about yield - 'enough' is all a synthesis need yield. But if it works out cheaper that mitragynine and 7-OHM on a per-dose basis, someone WILL be experimenting. Grisham's law will inevitably force everyone to make the most profitable mitragynine derivative.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from Alaska and Hawaii, can't US citizens simply DRIVE or even take a train to other states without any sort of physical search? If 7-OHM is the goldmine I think it is, making it in one state and selling it in another (where it's more valuable) seems a likely outcome. I found this:


I recall when mitragynine picrate first became an item of commerce in the 90s and now I see the loophole. Picric acid is toxic so if importation is detected, any reasonable defence council would rightly point out that mitragynine picrate is toxic and so cannot be consumed therefore cannot be considered as a drug. I mean, I personally wouldn't RELY on such a defence, but it IS a loophole.

I'm also somewhat aware that 'cooks' in the US have discovered a new way to oxidize mitragynine to 7-OHM without the need for toxic heavy metals or perilously explosive hypervalent iodine compounds. It appears someone has noted that simple Oxone™ (a swimming-pool cleanser in which KH2SO5, a peroxyacid salt is the active) will perform the delicate single-electron transfer oxidation to 7-OHM. From the little I've read, yield is around 55-65% and assuming unreacted mitragynine is the only alkaloid impurity left after the reaction, well, it isn't toxic and is active so can simply be left in the final product.

On one hand, this could be viewed through the MAGA lens as 'buying American made' but I can't help noting that people who use 7-OHM have talked about how dreadful the AWS is.

I would be quite surprised if someone isn't already trying to find a way to telescope the synthesis of MGM-15. Researchers generally don't worry to much about yield - enough it all that a synthesis need yield. But if it works out cheaper that mitragynine and 7-OHM on a per-dose basis, someone WILL be experimenting. Grisham's law will inevitably force everyone to make the most profitable mitragynine derivative.
Just a reminder that if one crosses states with non legal drug it becomes a Federal Case. Just keep this in mind in terms of consequences. 😎
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I thought the US was a bit odd in that I keep reading that state penitentiaries are even grimmer than federal prisons. That said, both sound awful. It seems almost as if US law extracts revenge rather than rationally looking at the person, looking at the crimes(s) and deciding what sentence was best for society as a whole.

I won't ask - but I bet it was something so silly that even you were surprised when someone decided to make it a federal case. I have also noted that oddity - if you have a DEA, they have good reason to take even silly cases just to ensure that their budget only ever goes up.

Whatever else, you are with us now - for that I am thankful.
 
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