🌟🌟 Social 🌟🌟 Drug Culture *Social* v. Cultural Learnings for the Benefit of Bluelightistan

[Dr. John Thackery]

Smoking somewhat reasonable amounts of MDMB-4en-PINACA one day I was bitten by a velvet ant and did not even notice the pain.

yea but acute pain and chronic pain are very different things.

but yes despite the MJ heals everything crowd and media raving about MJ addressing pain….in the chronic pain sub reddit many ppl report that it amplifies their pain.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Have you ever used other dissociatives or empathogens?

I’ve taken methylone a few times plus 4-FA several times. I fucking love 4-FA, really wish I hadn’t sold my last gram off for small change back when I was poor…

I’ve done MXE many times, took it weekly for a period in college and loved it, maybe my favorite drug ever. Also tried 3-ho-pce a few times and enjoyed it in low doses. N2O plenty of times mixed with many different drugs.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

I’ve taken methylone a few times plus 4-FA several times. I fucking love 4-FA, really wish I hadn’t sold my last gram off for small change back when I was poor…

I’ve done MXE many times, took it weekly for a period in college and loved it, maybe my favorite drug ever. Also tried 3-ho-pce a few times and enjoyed it in low doses. N2O plenty of times mixed with many different drugs.

4-FA was my favorite stimulant of all (not counting MDMA and MDxx drugs).

i was never a stim person but 4-FA was the smoothest stimulant i had ever done. doesn’t last too long and not much of a comedown at all.

the most relaxing stimulant ever.


i’d have to probably agree also that in terms of effects and the experience, mxe is the best drug ever period.

 

[Sp4rky]

I'm probably closer to a thousand than five hundred total 2C-B trips so far, my fiance too. I've used it in a tremendous variety of environments and contexts, up to a variety of different things. Do you live in a walkable city? And what kinds of social vibes are you looking for, as intensely dense as a rave can be in a shoulder-to-shoulder way, or just strolling around a public park? Also what are you looking to gain from this here? There's a big difference between a profound trip walking through a city late at night compared to a "museum dose" taken at a rave imo.

I have since tripped twice by myself on 2C-B at home with a decent trip dose, which were good, but quite heavy experiences. Very therapeutic though, found it to be very creative, laugh inducing, but also amplifying the intense emotional swings I already have, except with a psychedelic edge of seeing my emotions and problems from a further distance.

Have also since done multiple lower doses at raves. I never go to massive, commercialized raves, it’s always smaller queer raves with close friends and plenty of chill spaces to talk and hangout. Those were also good experiences, a bit like xtc light like many people describe lower doses 2C-B to be. The typical effects like getting really in that dancing flow, talking and hugging my friends a lot, etc…

Have yet to try a higher trip dose with friends, but many of my friends aren’t super into psychedelics like that, but in the future some of them do want to try that with me. Every city here is walkable, but my city doesn’t have great nature or chill walking places where I don’t get harassed for looking visibly queer, so I’d probably go stay at one of my friends’ places for that.

 

[Esperighanto]

where I don’t get harassed for looking visibly queer

In the netherlands, for real? I'm in Florida right now and nobody has so much as attempted this with my fiance and I (both men, one visibly queer). I wonder if the widespread reality of gun ownership here keeps peoples' mouths shut.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I wonder if the widespread reality of gun ownership here keeps peoples' mouths shut.

If I had to guess, it'd be more along the lines of people just stay out of others' business here in the states. I live in the rural south and while queerness is shunned (and people talk about queer folks behind their backs out the wazoo) it is not like folks go up to them and start mouthing off. Lots of out-queer folks where I live, surprisingly. Not like they're engaging in PDA though. Not really acceptable for any gender in my book lol. Keep it to hand holding outside your home people!

Which makes me wonder, is it the cramped living situations, or perhaps more traditional lifestyle nature of Europe that leads to the blowback? Perhaps the world underestimates us Americans and our true belief in the pursuit of happiness. I talk a lot of philosophy/religion at work with my coworkers who are mostly split between bible thumping evangelicals and autistic agnostic types and we all somehow get along and don't start yelling slurs at each other.

When I visited Ireland the only city I saw out and out queer folks was in Cork, since we were near a university there. Even then, they were all lesbians (typically more accepted IME) and dressed very traditionally compared to what I see in many a Southern town. Not many people had colorful hair or piercings out the wazoo. I mean I was only over there for a bit past a week and on vacation, but I recall that observation leaving a particular impression. We have the luxury of being able to easily move towns here in the U.S. and sort of self-segregate based upon our lifestyle choices and that also seems to help; at the end of the day some folks won't ever get along. I've tried logic and rationality with many a neighbor, and eventually you just have to pick up and move someplace where the people think much more alike to yourself to get neighbors you won't beef with. I imagine that with limited ability to spread out, the anger and hatred just simmers and boils over in cramped European environs.