MDMA Dose for 70yo man first time

[YoPanda]

My 70yo friend wants to try MDMA for the first time. I know some people are quick to advise against given the increased risk of cardiovascular events however my friend has regular checkups and never had any problematic results regarding his heart health (or any other system in his body) and is regularly physically active. So given all that I would love to get some advice regarding dosing. My friend is a 6"5 man weighing 200lb. Some considerations:

- First timers have no tolerance to the drug
- Men are less sensitive to the effects of MDMA
- Older individuals metabolize drugs slower
- MDMA self-potentiates
- General recommended dose range is 75mg-120mg

Would love your insights, especially if you or a friend of yours is close to this age and has experimented as a first time user!

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

better have some clean smooth gear for this old fella. some of this pills and molly, especially if they contain mda or mdxx RCs, are way harder stimulants than mdma.

anyways. does this old guy take any medication? it all needs to be cross checked for interactions with mdma, and also whether it will occupy the enzymes that metabolize mdma too.

if he’s on zero medication. 120 mg max.

spaced out 100 mg. the. 20 mg additionally after he comes up smoothly without issues (about 1.5 hours in)

no other drugs including nicotine. no weed.

have a benzo on hand in case things go wrong!!!

that’s my suggestion if he’s dead set on going through with it.

understand that you likely will be charged with murder for providing it to him if he dies and that is found it….which it’s on your computer already by posting it here.

 

[placebonaut]

IMHO it's not worth the risk.

research the dab method, that's the safest route.

agree with John, better to use pure MDMA and not pills, get it tested.

you will need to explicitly research their other drugs and interactions with MDMA.

you will need to perform and allergy test with MDMA.

you will need to source good quality trusted MDMA.

you will need a plan for if things go south.

 

[Mjäll]

I think the best thing for a healthy older person would be to go for a slightly lower dose. 100-120mg with a 30-60mg booster seems about right for most people, so make that like 75mg with a potential booster. If the older person wasn't very fit (or smaller, or female) i'd rather suggest an even lower dose like 30-60mg.

It could be that this 70 year old tolerates 120+60mg but the risks are higher so it becomes more important to start low and repeat the experience later if insufficient.

I agree with those who said that purity is important. There is no need to add a stimulant to the mix for an older first time user. However some good combos could be to have a bit of weed at hand and probably a benzo in case of minor emergency. Alcohol i think shouldn't be recommended due to cardiovascular risks.

 

[placebonaut]

I'd say do not do a booster, there's no reason to imho.

just go with single dose, they'll get all the effects and be able to see what it's like, adding a booster dose will just extend things, won't make it any better or make them any higher, it will just increase the risk further.

 

[Mjäll]

I'd say do not do a booster, there's no reason to imho.

just go with single dose, they'll get all the effects and be able to see what it's like, adding a booster dose will just extend things, won't make it any better or make them any higher, it will just increase the risk further.

This could be good advice. Are you saying that a booster dose entails a unique risk or are you referring to the prolongation as such increasing the risk? Is this general advice or specific to older people?

Personally i like what a booster does but i haven''t really studied it since i've pretty much always added a booster dose.

 

[placebonaut]

This could be good advice. Are you saying that a booster dose entails a unique risk or are you referring to the prolongation as such increasing the risk?

I think prolongation increases the risk, and if you consider why people redose MDMA I don't see the point in increasing risk to keep the roll going longer. Op said it's their 1st time, I think for any 1st timer just a single dose is a better idea.

Is this general advice or specific to older people?

for me I think this is general advice for all 1st time users, I know it's risk adverse but there's no rush, start small and work up is best practice HR.

you can always look at redosing the next time you do MDMA once you start to understand the drug and get a feel for how it works with your body. In fact I'd concentrate on getting the single dosage amount right 1st before even thinking about redose - again there's no rush is there, go slow, the journey and finding out the right amounts is part of the fun.

Personally i like what a booster does but i haven''t really studied it since i've pretty much always added a booster dose.

I've frequently done boosters with MDMA, lots of people do, nothing wrong with them, but just need to be specific about why people take them, the benefits, and the related risks.

boosters are used to extend the duration and have a longer amount of time rolling.

for a 70 year old if they're insistent on going ahead I'd be taking absolutely the lowest amount possible to roll, so for me don't redose at all.

 

[Mjäll]

I think prolongation increases the risk, and if you consider why people redose MDMA I don't see the point in increasing risk to keep the roll going longer. Op said it's their 1st time, I think for any 1st timer just a single dose is a better idea.

for me I think this is general advice for all 1st time users, I know it's risk adverse but there's no rush, start small and work up is best practice HR.

you can always look at redosing the next time you do MDMA once you start to understand the drug and get a feel for how it works with your body. In fact I'd concentrate on getting the single dosage amount right 1st before even thinking about redose - again there's no rush is there, go slow, the journey and finding out the right amounts is part of the fun.

I've frequently done boosters with MDMA, lots of people do, nothing wrong with them, but just need to be specific about why people take them, the benefits, and the related risks.

boosters are used to extend the duration and have a longer amount of time rolling.

for a 70 year old if they're insistent on going ahead I'd be taking absolutely the lowest amount possible to roll, so for me don't redose at all.

I see your point. Also implicit in your post is of course the fact that a booster dose is taken during the peak of the main dose, which isn't a good moment for a typical first timer to be assessing the desire for prolongation of the high. It's different with drugs that can be refilled endlessly, so that one can make the decision on the spot.

However i think it isn't a completely wacky idea to suggest a booster if the person is lucid and well informed by a more experienced companion such as OP in this case. And of course a booster is always optional. And if i understand correctly, a booster taken after 1.5h runs little risk of increasing any alarming symptoms.

Anyway i'm not one for suggesting a booster as some essential thing. Just something that one could do if it seems right then and there.