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Kratom Is there anything that is safer than Phenibut but potentiates Kratom equally as well (especially w/exercise)?

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So most of us who have tried the combo of Kratom and Phenibut know how great the euphoria is, and also that if you exercise hard while on that combo (or even just on Phenibut) that it's out of this world. However, I had some fairly scary side effects happen from Phenibut that have made me feel it's best that I never touch it again.

That being said, is there any other somewhat safer drug or supplement that anyone knows of that they feel potentiates Kratom at least almost as much as Phenibut and which, potentially, also gives euphoria when you exercise on it? I mean, the part about exercise isn't MANDATORY, but it would be nice cause somehow endorphins just go so well with Phenibut.

I mean, if there is I'd imagine it might be some other GABA drug like maybe Gabapentin or Pregablin or who knows what else. I've never actually used either of those two. I assume that Baclofen is probably just as bad for you as Phenibut and I know it's quite similar. If there's anything else out there, please let me know.
 
Mycophile said:
So most of us who have tried the combo of Kratom and Phenibut know how great the euphoria is, and also that if you exercise hard while on that combo (or even just on Phenibut) that it's out of this world. However, I had some fairly scary side effects happen from Phenibut that have made me feel it's best that I never touch it again.

That being said, is there any other somewhat safer drug or supplement that anyone knows of that they feel potentiates Kratom at least almost as much as Phenibut and which, potentially, also gives euphoria when you exercise on it? I mean, the part about exercise isn't MANDATORY, but it would be nice cause somehow endorphins just go so well with Phenibut.

I mean, if there is I'd imagine it might be some other GABA drug like maybe Gabapentin or Pregablin or who knows what else. I've never actually used either of those two. I assume that Baclofen is probably just as bad for you as Phenibut and I know it's quite similar. If there's anything else out there, please let me know.
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I mean you could try kava I guess. You need high quality kava root powder or instant kava (which is water extracted kava which has been re-dried into powder), the mainstream kava supplements in capsules are usually complete bunk.

If you get some good stuff it gives a pretty strong GABAergic buzz.

It’s very safe - there are still some claims on the internet around liver toxicity but that stems from a scandal 20 years or so ago where western supplement companies were making kava extracts without knowing that you’re only meant to use the roots not the leaves and other aerial (above ground) parts of the plant.

Although sometimes kava can give me nausea sometimes so combining it with kratom products might cause even more nausea
 
TheAcetylationGame said:
I mean you could try kava I guess. You need high quality kava root powder or instant kava (which is water extracted kava which has been re-dried into powder), the mainstream kava supplements in capsules are usually complete bunk.

If you get some good stuff it gives a pretty strong GABAergic buzz.

It’s very safe - there are still some claims on the internet around liver toxicity but that stems from a scandal 20 years or so ago where western supplement companies were making kava extracts without knowing that you’re only meant to use the roots not the leaves and other aerial (above ground) parts of the plant.

Although sometimes kava can give me nausea sometimes so combining it with kratom products might cause even more nausea
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Yeah, I've tried it before and it's never worked, but I might not have prepared it properly.

But I take Klonopin so could that possibly give me a higher tolerance to it since I've always got a gabaergic in me?
 
Kratom and tianeptine synergism.

But taken together, the effect becomes a whole brand new one.

So far I've usually taken the tianeptine sulfate shortly before taking the kratom. I'd cut back just a little on my kratom dose. What ensues is a strong opioid body buzz, very strong, that neither substance alone gives. Interestingly enough, it also prevents me from sleeping. The first time I laid very comfortably in bed, enjoying the intense euphoria and strong body buzz, but for whatever reason could not fall asleep like usual. But I laid there, very still, in a state of bliss. Loved that body feeling.

TaskForce2010, 2016-03-27

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I find this combination especially effective when used for opioid withdrawal.

otistoole, 2016-03-28


Not safer and quite dangerous, dose-wise, but this is interesting:

you can always boost the effects of a bag by chewing on a really small amount of datura like chewing on one leaf for 1 min then spiting it out will drastically strengthen it.

thedudenj, 2009-10-21, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11292419#11292419


also it can be used to make opiates hit harder.

thedudenj, 2010-05-12, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12547398#12547398


I love low dose nightshades as far as deliriants go but I wouldn't mix it with too many things. Datura + H was a blast but it primarily potentiated the opiate effects.

deCypher, 2010-02-03, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11958945#11958945

and yes taking an opiate then doing that is fucking awesome.

thedudenj, 2010-02-04, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11958945#11958945
 
red22 said:
Kratom and tianeptine synergism.

But taken together, the effect becomes a whole brand new one.

So far I've usually taken the tianeptine sulfate shortly before taking the kratom. I'd cut back just a little on my kratom dose. What ensues is a strong opioid body buzz, very strong, that neither substance alone gives. Interestingly enough, it also prevents me from sleeping. The first time I laid very comfortably in bed, enjoying the intense euphoria and strong body buzz, but for whatever reason could not fall asleep like usual. But I laid there, very still, in a state of bliss. Loved that body feeling.

TaskForce2010, 2016-03-27

reply:

I find this combination especially effective when used for opioid withdrawal.

otistoole, 2016-03-28


Not safer and quite dangerous, dose-wise, but this is interesting:

you can always boost the effects of a bag by chewing on a really small amount of datura like chewing on one leaf for 1 min then spiting it out will drastically strengthen it.

thedudenj, 2009-10-21, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11292419#11292419


also it can be used to make opiates hit harder.

thedudenj, 2010-05-12, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12547398#12547398


I love low dose nightshades as far as deliriants go but I wouldn't mix it with too many things. Datura + H was a blast but it primarily potentiated the opiate effects.

deCypher, 2010-02-03, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11958945#11958945

and yes taking an opiate then doing that is fucking awesome.

thedudenj, 2010-02-04, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11958945#11958945
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Thanks. I don't think I'd take Tianeptine though. I never have, and I'm not into being dependent on opioids in general.

I mean, don't you feel like Tianeptine raises your Kratom tolerance to make it less effective?

And how often can you use Tianeptine without going into WD?
 
It seems to me that 2-Methoxyqualone, being sold as "Quaalude" potentiates kratom.

The 2-Methoxyqualone pills I received were underdosed, but they did seem to enhance or synergise well during my first kratom combo experience with them.
 
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Bleaney said:
It seems to me that 2-Methoxyqualone, being sold as "Quaalude" potentiates kratom.

The 2-Methoxyqualone pills I received were underdosed, but they did seem to enhance or synergise well during my first kratom combo experience with them.
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Where did you find Quaaludes?! As per one episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopia I think they pretty much only can be found in one part of Africa. I forget which.
 
its probably not ideal in terms of HR, but I will be doing so. Apparently 2-Methoxyqualone is not highly sedating nor even particularly strong if you manage to get a correctly dosed pill.

My first order of 2-Methoxyqualone turned out to be 3 dud pills - massively underdosed. Maybe I'll try a different vendor.
 
Kratom and Kava is a bit random but sometimes it can hit a lot harder than both taken individually, got to find the good dose.
 
This may seem basic, but what do you think of cannabis combined with kratom? That's pretty much my daily go-to combo (alongside some coffee).
 
Agmatine (0.25g with kratom, higher doses are perfect for abstinent days)
CBG/CBD 2-1 if possible (30-15mg)
Taurine (500mg+)
Theanine (100-500mg)
Mag Threonate (500-2000mg)
Passion Flower/Valerian (100mg+
Black Seed Extract (depends on strength, if standardised no more than 50-200mg, if not a strong extract or standardised 500mg-2g)
 
pregabs goes pretty well with kratom as do benzos and soma.

It depends if you want to go down into luxuriating in laziness, or if you want to go up, as kratom also combines brilliantly with stimulants. It enhances them, while also providing a calming effect.

This has proven to be the case with modafinil, methylphenidate, dexamfetamine, and some "speed" that I'm sure was mostly not speed, maybe a little if I was lucky, but probably mostly caffeine powder, or maybe pseudoephedrine.
 
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