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parttime crackhead said:
Tax evasion is mainly done by taxi-drivers & tradesmen. Tax avoidance will be done by bankers - legally paying as little tax as possible,
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No. Tax evasion, not even 'avoidance', is done by the super-rich. It costs the country billions. You seem to think the rich are just cleverer, using cunning and guile. No. They're crooks. With money to defend themselves. And friends in high places who write or execute the law.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
No. Tax evasion, not even 'avoidance', is done by the super-rich. It costs the country billions. You seem to think the rich are just cleverer, using cunning and guile. No. They're crooks. With money to defend themselves. And friends in high places who write or execute the law.
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If you can't beat them why not join them :D I'm sure there are a few things you could do to bring your tax bill down.
 
chinup said:
ok well, for the record. people with IQs over 50 understand that food distribution and production is a global socio-political issue.
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Your point being that my reference to that fact and its relation to the patriarchal nature of global capitalism was a way of implying you have a IQ under fifty?

Or was it just a way to continue an argument that was pointless in the first place as in my opinion (and evidently those of others) it's perfectly okay to discuss feminism in this thread?

Either way, it's silly to continue.

Peace? :)
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I can't believe you guys started our monthly feminist war without me :( No fuckin respect I tell ya.

The wage gap is a complete myth.
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No it isn't. There's about 6 million hits on google to prove you wrong.

Can't be arsed with the rest. "Women choose to put more emphasis on families" Choose? What, you think they're genetically disposed to this? Or does socialisation/conditioning start from the day we're born? Pink for a girl...blue for a boy...
 
The 'socio-political structures' referred to are inherently patriarchal in nature, as implied in my preceding posts.

Good try.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
No it isn't. There's about 6 million hits on google to prove you wrong.

Can't be arsed with the rest. "Women choose to put more emphasis on families" Choose? What, you think they're genetically disposed to this? Or does socialisation/conditioning start from the day we're born? Pink for a girl...blue for a boy...
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I don't deny its existence, I deny that it is undeserved. Before women have children, under 30s, women get paid more. If you compare childless 45 year olds, women also get paid more. I read a rather interesting article about women and socialisation/conditioning making them step down from high powered positions in favor of nurturing their family. However once it went into the science behind motherhood it became apparent it was 90% biology. Did you know that when women give birth to a baby, and breast feed, or even just cuddle their children or do something for them, they release a chemical called oxytocin. Men release this too, but in far far lower quantities. They are also less susceptible to being affected by it (hence why women in a lot of cases 'love' chocolate far more than men, especially when they're on). However, some studies indicate that this love hormone to a new mother can actually be more addictive than opiates. This is why we see even the most 'girl power' motivated high powered women jacking in their job to go and change nappies.
 
you misunderstand again. regardless of the political structure we're talking about, my point was that its more important to solve the problems faced by the most people, which cause the most damage, first. by academics discussing western womens rights they are obviously not discussing, far more important social problems, and and in my eyes therefore neglecting to help in areas where they are very qualified to help, thus harming society.

now i'm off to the pub so have your last word, convince yourslef you've won and pat yourself on the back.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I don't deny its existence, I deny that it is undeserved. Before women have children, under 30s, women get paid more. If you compare childless 45 year olds, women also get paid more. I read a rather interesting article about women and socialisation/conditioning making them step down from high powered positions in favor of nurturing their family. However once it went into the science behind motherhood it became apparent it was 90% biology. Did you know that when women give birth to a baby, and breast feed, or even just cuddle their children or do something for them, they release a chemical called oxytocin. Men release this too, but in far far lower quantities. They are also less susceptible to being affected by it (hence why women in a lot of cases 'love' chocolate far more than men, especially when they're on). However, some studies indicate that this love hormone to a new mother can actually be more addictive than opiates. This is why we see even the most 'girl power' motivated high powered women jacking in their job to go and change nappies.
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Absolute drivel from start to finish.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Absolute drivel from start to finish.
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That is not an argument? If i'd known that I could have just said that I would have posted that to you in the first place.

"Men in their 20s no longer earn more than women, an official analysis of the 'pay gap' declared.
It found that the difference between the earnings of men and women twenty-somethings is 'non-existent'.
Women who choose to stay single are likely to earn more than single men throughout their lives, it said."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1145973/How-paid-men-Stay-single.html

Here's a bit of info on oxytocin:
http://www.oxytocin.org/oxytoc/

I will never understand why feminists feel that people like me are scum, and act like i've spat in their face with my viewpoint. But I just see them as nice with their hearts in the right places, but a bit misguided.
 
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chinup said:
my point was that its more important to solve the problems faced by the most people, which cause the most damage, first. by academics discussing western womens rights they are obviously not discussing, far more important social problems, and and in my eyes therefore neglecting to help in areas where they are very qualified to help, thus harming society.
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^^

that's an epic, epic statement, right there. EPIC. wow.

do you realise what your implying here? have you thought about this thoroughly and taken this idea to its possible realms, boundaries and conclusions in order to fully understand what this limits, what it encourages, what this actually means in terms of ideology? have you thought about it properly ... really?


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on a separate note:
motivation and intent. when it comes to posting a response to someone is pretty much the only way to determine its validity, usefulness, relevance
until you can be brutally accurate about your reasoning for making the effort and submitting a reply, don't assume you're engaging in anything like effective debate.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I will never understand why feminists feel that people like me are scum, and act like i've spat in their face with my viewpoint. But I just see them as nice with their hearts in the right places, but a bit misguided.
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heart of the matter. its in this post. it invalidates your viewpoint. its motivated by issues not salient to the points raised. it reflects everything that's formulating your viewpoint for you.
 
Marmalade said:
on a separate note:
motivation and intent. when it comes to posting a response to someone is pretty much the only way to determine its validity, usefulness, relevance
until you can be brutally accurate about your reasoning for making the effort and submitting a reply, don't assume you're engaging in anything like effective debate.
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Nice! That is the reason (I couldn't word it anywhere near as well as you have) I'm not entering into this "debate".

Am following with great interest though, one of my first "serious" girlfriends in me early 20's was a very militant feminist, had me reading Marge Piercy and a lot of utopian feminist writings (Marge Piercy is the only one I can remember)...I went along with it as an early 20's man would, with the main aim of getting as much sex as possible, even got meself accepted onto a Women's Studies course at Leeds Uni, until I realised it wasn't something I truly believed in, was just hoping to meet lots more sexy feminists and get me end away.

lol, men can be right cunts sometimes ;)


EDIT>>>>> this link is not related to the above statment, just of interest to the "debate", in which I'm not taking part.... Man feels hard done to
 
Marmalade said:
heart of the matter. its in this post. it invalidates your viewpoint. its motivated by issues not salient to the points raised. it reflects everything that's formulating your viewpoint for you.
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I have literally no idea what you're going on about? You seem to be going around trying to refute arguments without making any. Facts, figures and science form my viewpoint for me. Not feelings. I come to debates with an open mind searching for the truth. You seem to be trying to say that a statement you make is more valid than a statement someone else makes because they have different, but no less valid, motivation than yourself.
 
Mailmonkey said:
Nice! That is the reason (I couldn't word it anywhere near as well as you have) I'm not entering into this "debate".

Am following with great interest though, one of my first "serious" girlfriends in me early 20's was a very militant feminist, had me reading Marge Piercy and a lot of utopian feminist writings (Marge Piercy is the only one I can remember)...I went along with it as an early 20's man would, with the main aim of getting as much sex as possible, even got meself accepted onto a Women's Studies course at Leeds Uni, until I realised it wasn't something I truly believed in, was just hoping to meet lots more sexy feminists and get me end away.

lol, men can be right cunts sometimes ;)


EDIT>>>>> this link is not related to the above statment, just of interest to the "debate", in which I'm not taking part.... Man feels hard done to
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It's nice to see someone validate my suspicion that all active male feminists are just in it to get laid :D That LSE guy is very interesting. Not his being a little bitch as such, but more of the points it raises. We as a society seem to put 99% of all our gender related effort into women. Women, their lives, and how they are treated is studied to the nth degree and it seems that comparatively we know very little about men.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I have literally no idea what you're going on about? You seem to be going around trying to refute arguments without making any. Facts, figures and science form my viewpoint for me. Not feelings. I come to debates with an open mind searching for the truth. You seem to be trying to say that a statement you make is more valid than a statement someone else makes because they have different, but no less valid, motivation than yourself.
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I think your intent is good, but the motivation behind it is something youre not fully aware of. and it's very different than your intent

that's the best explanation I have that could be of any use to you.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
It's nice to see someone validate my suspicion that all active male feminists are just in it to get laid :D
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The Voice of Bitterness rings out through the Township of Bullshit once again...

As for knowing about man, I know all about that being the prime, crotch-thrusting example of one. I just like women and don't feel particularly threatened by them unless they have a knife at my throat.
 
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