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chinup said:
thats the thing isn't it. why should i give a shit about systematic oppression that i don't even believe in? that i have never experienced? what empircal evidence do you have for the systematic oppression of women specifically in britain today?
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Can't be arsed to do it for you but try googling....pay rates....numbers of women compared to men in directorships....likelihood of a woman being sent to prison when found guilty...rape figures/rape convictions....glass ceiling....why is there no female equivalent of Bruce Forsyth allowed on TV....
 
"likelihood of a woman being sent to prison when found guilty"

Surely that's higher for men? Check the stats for the amount of men in prison compared to women. Are men just evil? Or do the women not have to commit as many crimes as they have a man to do it for them? Feminism in action right there. Why do it yourself when you can get a man to do it?

How many women just sit at home & shite out weans while the man has to go out & beg, steal, borrow or actually work for money?

There are many inequalities in society. It works both ways. Women have the upper hand at some things, men have the upper hand at others. Is there even an opposite word for feminism? Maybe we men should be standing up for our rights, I WANT TO STAY AT HOME & HAVE WEANS!!!! LET THE WOMEN WORK!!!!
 
parttime crackhead said:
Being shady & greedy is not against the law though. Working while you're on the dole is. Therefore "we" can willingly prosecute them as they have broken the law. If bankers blatantly broke the law then they would be prosecuted.
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Oh please. Tax evasion is against the law and hardly any fucker gets prosecuted for it. And often when bankers do get prosecuted, their money buys their freedom. Tax evasion costs the country many many times more than the odd bloke working on the sly for an extra few quid.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Oh please. Tax evasion is against the law and hardly any fucker gets prosecuted for it. And often when bankers do get prosecuted, their money buys their freedom. Tax evasion costs the country many many times more than the odd bloke working on the sly for an extra few quid.
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Tax evasion is mainly done by taxi-drivers & tradesmen. Tax avoidance will be done by bankers - legally paying as little tax as possible, not just simply lying about your income to illegally pay less tax. Who in their right mind would want to pay more tax than they legally have to?

StoneHappyMonday said:
Nope.
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Well there's certainly a lot more men in prison than there is women. Men clearly commit (or get caught for) more crimes. Do you think men are just more evil than women or do you think there is quite often a woman sitting at home reaping the rewards of the man's crime?

Due to who my employer is we get loads of news updates on on our in-house internet about various arrests, quite often involving both men & women getting jailed. Not once have I seen the women getting a longer sentence than the men, every single time they get a shorter sentence.
 
chinup said:
i'm not a fucking moron SG so don't treat me like one.
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So politely responding to one of your posts with the suggestion that global famine and hegemony based on patriarchal values means I'm treating you like a "fucking moron"?

I'm lost as to where you've come up with that one. Empirical evidence? ;)

If you don't feel like you've been adversely affected by being a woman (and you freely admit that most of your experience of the 'wider-world' is restricted to academia) then great, good for you.

I just don't see how it gives you the right to respond in such a hostile fashion to people questioning your marked hostility towards feminism, even though my 'joke' about you being a 'self-hating woman' may not have helped matters.
 
chinup said:
can we please just feed the hungry before getting a couple of women an extra 20k a year? sorry if my priorities are all wrong.
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poor discourse, really. awful. not a good approach for a worthwhile discussion, and why I'll stick to humour and lighthearted banter from now on

normally I'd enjoy discussing this kinda topic, but for it to be worth it, this sort of irrational nonsense and juxtaposition needs to cease. you do it a lot. add some of the gaping hypocrisies apparent when comparing your ideologies v's your actual position and it becomes totally pointless to engage. and that's before one factors in your tendency towards use of hyperbole and an 'emotional blackmail' of sorts due to your choice of language.
 
SG if you don't think that wasn't an incredibly patronising response then you're deluded.

yes marmalade it is irrational nonesense (not just from me, the entire discussion full stop). and whats sad is its detracted from an earlier more useful potential discussion about current/upcoming protests. though i'd be interested to know what the gaping hypocrisies are? and not to defend myself, to better myself. i will say, my choice of language is not emotional blackmail, it is a relefection of how the level of emotion this topic holds for me.
 
Marmalade said:
it does?

what comes across more is that Sam must've really ruffled your feathers at some point.
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Just noticed this. I'll admit I don't really like the guy. Nothing to do with "ruffling my feathers" though, more to do with him being a bit of a wanker. See earlier post about the girl who was given two chances to remember his name. Clearly wanker behaviour. He's all for feminism, unless you forget his name.

When are you two fucking then?
 
Marmalade said:
evidence:
Comparative salaries of women in top positions compared with men

The percentage of women to men holding board levels positions
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I can't believe you guys started our monthly feminist war without me :( No fuckin respect I tell ya.

The wage gap is a complete myth. There are of course individual cases where it is true, but for the most part women get paid less because they have lower outputs for businesses (primarily because of having children). Think about it, if you could hire one person for £5 an hour and another person for £7 per hour, and they had the same outputs then you'd hire the £5 p/h person. Businesses would then compete for those £5 p/h employees until eventually demand completely outstripped supply and the salaries would rise to being in line with the £7 p/h employees. Supply and demand :)

As for the percentage of women to men holding board level positions; I would rather spend my time worrying about the ratio of men:women on the streets or in shitty hostels, or the ratio of men:women working in sewers. Most people who get to the top of a company are in their 30s and 40s, which coincidentally is when most people also have children. Women choose to put more emphasise on their families, and being a mum whilst doing the 80-120 hour weeks that such jobs entail would be brutal. I think as a child it would have had a much larger effect on me growing up if my mum was neglecting me for what would essentially be her own sense of fulfillment at work, than I would if my dad was doing it. What one also has to think when complaining about the men at the top is, how many of them are there because they created the company in the first place? A lot. How many of the FTSE 100 or the Fortune 500 companies were created by women? You can probably count them on both hands. If women can't really manage to create these companies, then where does the argument come from that there are enough women who are willing and capable to successfully manage half of them?
 
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Just noticed this. I'll admit I don't really like the guy. Nothing to do with "ruffling my feathers" though, more to do with him being a bit of a wanker. See earlier post about the girl who was given two chances to remember his name. Clearly wanker behaviour. He's all for feminism, unless you forget his name.

When are you two fucking then?
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Same as crackhead really, just a bit eccentric, waffles on and on, over-opinionated etc. I'm sure he doesn't like me either but to be honest he's too quick to let an argument get personal, god sake monsta even had to edit his posts on a couple of occassions, surely one mod shouldn't need to edit the others because he can't control himself and abide by forum rules?

I once had an argument with him in the ket thread, when he realised he got onto me for something he'd misread instead of just saying "woops my bad" he deleted the whole conversation. Just can't handle when not everybody agrees with his way of thinking.

I should add I have nothing majorly against Sam, I just think you can come across a bit harsh with other members on here from some of what I've read.
 
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chinup said:
SG if you don't think that wasn't an incredibly patronising response then you're deluded.
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It really wasn't intended as such, and as I wouldn't imply delusion on your part I'll take it as an honest misunderstanding.

Though your interpretation was in keeping with the earlier hostility towards the defence of feminism, so maybe that played a part.

I'm happy to move on.

Crackhead, rockstar - each to their own; it's your opinion. I harbour no ill-feelings towards either of you.

It's not in my nature to be universally-loved. ;)
 
ok well, for the record. people with IQs over 50 understand that food distribution and production is a global socio-political issue.

smokes blunts thank you again for pointing out the practicalities of raising a family and being some high flying corporate asshole. i raised it a page ago and it was ignored so it'll prob get ignored again, but nice to know some people understand processes as a whole rather than cherry pick figures.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Can't be arsed to do it for you but try googling....pay rates....numbers of women compared to men in directorships....likelihood of a woman being sent to prison when found guilty...rape figures/rape convictions....glass ceiling....why is there no female equivalent of Bruce Forsyth allowed on TV....
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I addressed pay rates above. I don't really understand the dictatorship point? Few who argue against feminism in the West argue that it shouldn't be a key social force in countries that still have substantial issues like we did back when feminism hatched. I also thought that (In America at least) women got found guilty around equal amounts, but women were far more likely to get non-custodial sentences, and when they did get custodial sentences they were significantly shorter in like for like crimes. What does or can feminism do about rape? It's not like if we all walk around banging a drum screaming and shouting that rape is wrong it's going to have any affect on rates - rapists know full well what they are doing wrong. And as for the rape convictions point, when it's your word vs someone else's, there's not much you can do. The glass ceiling is bullshit. Last time I checked we had a woman's head on our currency, and we've had the top job in the land held by a woman too. I don't really understand the Bruce Forsyth comment either?

There are also similar problems that men face.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
No. We men just think you're all wrinkled old slags once past 40. Bruce Forsyth is 103.
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