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Mouth Hygiene

I just shifted house today so I'm stuck on my iPhone. I'll post my 2 cents (or $600/hr) advice when I get to work tomorrow. I just say that most gum recession is not from scrubbing your teeth too hard (even though 80% of dentists will fob you off with that). My most valuable oral tool is my occlusal splint. I'm talking a properly fitted and adjusted splint not just some sports mouthguard you get at the chemist. Not only does it protect my teeth from physical wear it also eliminates most of my tension head aches and actually reduces gum recession and neck line abfractions.

Give me twenty four hours and I'll return with interesting research on biological width and tooth flexure that will make you question if scrubbing your teeth too hard is really damaging your gums.


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Oh, interesting. Do you mean something you wear as a 'guard' at night while you sleep? I also have this weird 'clicking' jaw thing that I just realized recently was actually a medical condition. It doesn't hurt yet or anything, but my jaw makes that clicking or popping sound when I chew food and gum. I get headaches often when I wake in the morning. A friend told me the other day a way to treat this is with a night guard to keep my teeth from clenching while I sleep. I wasn't even aware that I clenched my teeth? It's very possible that I do.

I'm interested to hear more about this Busty....
 
When you guys say splint, what exactly are you referring to? I've found varying images on google.
 
Man, this is something close to home for me. I take good care of my teeth but obviously not enough as I seem to have problems quite often.

If you saw my teeth, you'd think there is nothing wrong with them....they are all white, all present, nearly all straight (thats the one thing that really gets me) however the ones at the back seem to always need fillings. I have had 2 teeth removed due to abscess. Had root canal treatment twice, several fillings and all sorts.

I honestly think the dentist is trying to scam me though and here's why:
1) They told me I needed fillings when I didnt think I did. I got the second opinion of another professional dentist and he said "no". A good friend of mine has perfect teeth and they tried to tell him he needed a couple fillings. Well, he got his dad (qualified dentist) and another great dentist to check him over and they said "absolutely no way".
2) They opened up completely out of the blue, and are all barely able to speak a word of english. The building isn't the best, and was converted from a restaurant
2a) The dentist's don't seem to know what they are doing half the time, nor can they fully understand my problem when I explain due to their lack of English.
3) I have heard from several people that they stopped with them because they are so shit.

However, this said and done, I do get toothache often and do need work a lot, I think. I brush 3 times a day, use mouthwash but never floss as it never seems to feel like it's doing anything and I don't really know how to do it properly, nobody taught me what to do.

This is stressing me out a bit because if I'm going to go travelling, I need to know how to ensure i'm not going to wind up needing a filling or some shit, plus I'd like to keep these teeth as long as I can as they are actually good, strong healthy and very clean/white looking, it's just the back ones seem to act up despite my careful mouth hygiene.

I will bear in mind the "no brushing until an hour after a meal" but has anyone got any more excellent tips? Anyone know any dentists?

sounds like a dodgy shit dentist.

flossing, recommended. its not rocket science to use just floss like a crazy bastard, you gums will bleed to start off with but its all good
 
ff: mine's a bit of plastic that's moulded to fit over my upper teeth, with just a bit of thickness to it. It's not super hard, but not really soft either; it's meant to keep my teeth from getting damaged when I clench at night. Works pretty well, as I've gone from having crazy sensitive teeth to pretty well normal after wearing it regularly for a few weeks. It's just starting to crack and wear a bit in the obvious stress points, so I'll probably need to get a new one in a few months.
 
I'll return with interesting research on biological width and tooth flexure that will make you question if scrubbing your teeth too hard is really damaging your gums.
*awaits patiently* :)
Oh and what about potential damage to the enamel from excessive brushing? Same deal?
 
@Dave: very interesting. I'm wondering if its difficult or uncomfortable to sleep with something in your mouth? Or is it just something you get used to? I've never had braces or a retainer so that would be completely new to me. I'm really considering looking into it though. Just got my health insurance back on today so time to get some things addressed I've been putting off.
 
If the splint fits properly it isn't bad. It took me two or three nights to get used to it, but both my brother and sister had splints and they both would always wind up taking them out unconsciously as they slept. Oh, and protip: dogs love chewing up splints.

Congrats on getting coverage again, that's no small feat these days! Talk to your dentist, and they'll let you know whether you'll need one or not (if they're good that is).
 
Occlusal splints do take a few nights to get used too. If you are a gagger though it is really hard. Within a week you will notice a huge difference particularly if you suffer from head and neck tension pain. I have spent the best part of the last 7-8 years dealing with jaw issues and cosmetics. I'm not a specialist in this area but I am often refered a lot of the worse cases in my area. I'll try and condense some of what I have noticed over the years.

Tooth decay is only one area of concern. The other important area is the health of the bone around the teeth. a bioloigic width exists which is consistent throughout humans. Without going into too much detail it just means that gum will always sit 2mm above the underlying bone. It is so predictable that when you crown lengthen teeth you simple raise the gum, cut the bone 2mm below where you want to gum to sit and it will heal to that position. Always. It is the reason why I rarely use tooth brush abrasion as a cause for gum recession. You can scrape the gum back with a blade and as long as you don't damage the bone, it will grow back.

When I see gum recession I always look at the occlusion. More often (well, to be fair, almost always) those teeth that show recession are under heavy occlusal loads, usually when clenching and grinding. If you look in some ones mouth and see one molar on one side with receeding gums how the hell are they brushing in such a way that only one tooth is affected? You would expect every single tooth in a quadrant to experience the same force. As soon as I mention this to my patients you see an light go off and they realise the bullshit that they have been fobbed off all these years.

To be fair it is a little more complex than this but you should get the picture. If you are experiencing recession in your lower incisors I bet you any thing you had braces when you were a kid to correct a deep overjet or over bite. These cases are usually caused by pushing the lower teeth too far forward and punching the root through the thin plate of bone. This defect only has to be a few mm for the gum to start to head south. Once again if it is only one or two teeth afffected you couldn't possibly be that brutal with a tooth brush in a very small area, you would expect to see all the lower teeth involved.

The same thing is true about polishing away the enamel. Nylon tooth bristles are way softer than tooth enamel. Sometimes in a very acidic environment (bulimics, dehydrated mouths) you might have the potential to wear away a small amount but the hardness of enamel far exceeds plastic. More often you will see something like this blamed on tooth brush abrasion....

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I find it difficult to believe that a person could scrub the two middle so hard that they wear away, yet some how avoid the two teeth next door. When I see this I would gaurantee that their bite is extremely heavy on the two worn teeth and the damage is caused by these teeth flexing under the load.

All this may seem a little confusing, it's hard to transfer 15 years of experience into a couple of paragraphs, particularly an area where I have a vested interest in.

TL,DR?

Brush your teeth with fluoride toothpaste, floss daily, regular 6 months hygiene visits to remove built up calculus deposits and an occlusal splint to wear at night to protect your teeth from gurning.
 
i know someone who brushes their teeth for 20 minutes every morning and night cuz they feel their teeth arent every clean enough
 
It's probably almost meditative for them.

Thanks for the awesome reply Busty! If I may ask a question: the last time I went for a cleaning, the hygenist took a measurement of some sort with my gums, where in a few cases the measurement was too high, apparently, for it to even be possible to clean with flossing. I can't for the life of me recall what she called the measurement, but I remember that the cutoff was 5 mm, and that if left un-tended there could be issues with bone decay? Is this legit? It sounded so at the time, but it was only a couple of teeth that were particularly bad, and your post has made me question a few things.
 
It would have been a periodontal charting, they are measuring the depth of pocketing around the tooth. Normal healthy gums should be around 2-3mm. As gum disease takes hold and you loss bone you will develop deeper pockets. Greater than 5mm is when they start to become concerned. More than 8mm and your teeth start to become mobile and loose. Periodontal or gum disease usually starts to develop from you mid 30's. Up until then your gums will swell and bleed without any bone loss. "Getting long in the tooth" is the old way of describing gum disease as the bone is lost, the gums receed and you expose the root surface.

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Ah, that must be it then. Sounds like I've got to do something more then.
 
Thanks so much for the info about splints, Busty. That is really useful information and I want to look into it now. Between my headaches and jaw popping, I think I could definitely benefit from giving it a shot.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the jaw popping per say. It is just the disc in the jaw clicking into position and in most people it isn't damaging, just embarrassing. The real problem would be if you muscles around the trapped disc have to working harder to open and flee the jaw. Some times the brain has to zig zag the jaw to allow it to jump around a trapped disc and this can cause muscle tension.

Lately I have been using Botox to treat headaches and muscle pain around the jaw, which is really cool and new. A splint is always the first treatment option though.
 
In your opinion, are the lower-cost splints you can buy at the drugstore a waste of time?
 
Yes. I try and position any splint to an ideal occlusal form, with correct canine raise. If you want something to prop your teeth apart and lessen the wear from grinding then you could stick anything there but I try and position the jaw in a way that would mimic where ideally I would recreate a balanced cosmetic case.
 
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