opiates and mental health

[woodspiece]

In the many yeas i have been part of the opiate scene, one thing has always prevailed:
And that in some form of self-medication or denial of some facet of mental illness by using opiates.

i simply don't believe that people try opiates out of "fun' and continue. Opiates make you sick when you are naive to them. This is not "fun." it is only the ill who go past the initial sickness to releve diagnoised and undiagnosed mental health issues.

And why the drought in Europe now is causing such mayhem--fear of w/ds and also a return to untreated or even treated mental health issues. But augmented with illicit or legal opiate use.

In the USA, opiates were the only form of medication to alliviate deprrssion until the early 1950s.

Since posts must be framed in a question, I'll ask--do most folks who use opiates out there do it for "fun" or is it to releve an underlying MH problem?

 

[helpwithhabit]

I started off taking heroin to help forget about the adoption of my son due to his mother being in an unfit state to care for him and as I have previous convictions for drugs, theft etc social services didn't even give me half a chance even though at the time I was 100% clean not even smoking cannabis socially. When my heroin use first started despite the fact of covering up emotional issues I did use it for fun and in a way to socialize with a certain group of people I happened to know at the time.

It wasn't long before addiction set in and when I tried to go without any kind of opiates I went into withdrawals which drilled fear into me as I got so sick I went back to committing petty crime to fund my £30/day heroin habit.

The only way I could see myself not injecting everyday was to get myself onto a methadone program which I did in a very short period of time I have now been on the program for around 10 days and have only used heroin twice in this period of time not because I was getting sick I just wanted to.

I do suffer for minor mental health problems, ADHD, paranoia and aniexty but these did not contribute to me continuing my heroin use it was more a fact that addiction kicked in rather fast in my case.

 

[belfort]

i disagree..i started taking nubain most because all my gym buddies were doing it and they seemed to enjoy it..i remember the first time i skinpopped it, i went to work and man the time went by faster, my back pain was lessened and i was just in a better mood...so i kept taking it....

 

[mainstreet50]

I like the idea of a thread like this. I can totally relate and feel to this whole idea. I'm currently now in a difficult bind that may result in further legal issues if I don't quit my .5mg-.75mg daily buprenorphine habit.
I've been clean off dope for about a week now after a rough relapse, last weekend.
Using dope and full agonist opioids definately relieve my severe depression/OCD/anxiety. If only there was no such thing as tolerance. Oh and legality issues too.8)
I constantly fantasize about being "well" mentally. Of course opiates help but do they help in the longterm? Idk it's almost like comparing it with benzos, and how anxiety/panic disorders can be treated with a benzodiazepine. But damn after some time, those blue footballs or green k-pins lose their magic.
Now coming up on 3 years dependent on opiates, whether dope, oxy, sub.
In a way I feel my mental health has gone to shit since taking opiates. The idea of all your endorphins being flooded and then run dry, just doesn't seem right. I have trouble finding "fun" in anything now.
But I feel the opiates are not effective longterm, unless of course you have an unlimited supply. But even then there comes a point when it just doesn't work much.
Idk I've gotta get off this minute sub dose, although small, but is hard for me.
I feel for people being stripped of their opiates if their mentally unstable.
It's exactly as if a CPP was out of meds. Same thing to me.
Just not feeling right but thought I'd give my opinion. Good luck all.

 

[Luv2Gruv2Mch]

I definitely crave opiates to help with mental pain. (I've struggled with depression for decades, and for a few years now severe anxiety and even agoraphobia have become issues.) I'm on a cocktail of 5 different meds right now, including kp's. But, the most effective relief comes from oxys, or, now since the OP debacle, all I can find are roxy 30's. I feel like a real, motivated person with hope for the future when I'm "high"...although my tolerance is definitely up there. (but, I do agree that after a long binge, effectiveness is diluted) I take subs between binges, and I just don't get that same relief from my mental health issues from the subs. And, the cocktail of meds I take every day don't do crap...including the kp's. I wish my doc would just prescribe a couple of 15's a day for me....I know I would be in a much better mental state...and could actually be productive. (and maybe even "happy"?!

 

[Charles Ferdinand]

I used tramadol 4 times this year, for no more than 5 days just to alleviate my deppression, lethargy and tiredness from benzo withdrawal, but stopped when I felt better, just had no other reason to stay on it.
So I used opiates (tramadol), temporarily, for benzo withdrawal.

 

[theotherside]

I feel that opiates are just as important for my mental health(depression/anxiety) as they are for my physical pain. The two go hand in hand which is what keeps me coming back for more every single day. I have never had a doc prescribe opiates for depression but they help to at least "hide" my depression(however small it is it is still in the background sometimes).

 

[TheLostBoys]

I feel that opiates are just as important for my mental health(depression/anxiety) as they are for my physical pain. The two go hand in hand which is what keeps me coming back for more every single day. I have never had a doc prescribe opiates for depression but they help to at least "hide" my depression(however small it is it is still in the background sometimes).

I feel you on this......& I believe opiates under strict doctor supervision should be prescribed for depression compared to the b.s. SSRI's that dont do much for alot of people.

 

[theseeker]

I take opiates to escape depression/ anxiety. Ironically, I've noticed that long term opiate use makes my depression/ anxiety worse. It starts out as a big help but then makes shit worse for me. I'm not only talking about withdrawal here either.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I take opiates to escape depression/ anxiety. Ironically, I've noticed that long term opiate use makes my depression/ anxiety worse. It starts out as a big help but then makes shit worse for me. I'm not only talking about withdrawal here either.

I had minor depression 10 years ago & tried opiates but didnt like them because they made me nauseas & sick so I quit using them. I found that the mind can get over "minor" depression with programming the minds itself with false thoughts or make yourself believe something when it isnt true but none the less, it worked.

As far as medicating yourself with drugs when you have severe depression & what not is probably a bad idea "but" when someone is looking at committing suicide or taking drugs to make themselves feel a bit better about their situation, I recommend the drugs because anything beats death.

Yes, you will probably suffer alot with depression after using drugs for quite a while to deal with depression in the first place but its a double edged sword. Your doomed if you do & your doomed if you dont.

 

[belfort]

^^i would agree..sometimes drugs are the only thing that works..sometimes a person is too far gone for conventional tactics to be effective...but the temporary cure makes things worse in the end so its a really bad situation to start out..

 

[chris5790]

There are exceptions to everything but i think most addicts initially have problems with anxiety or depression. I kno i did. Opiates are deffinately not the cure though. They may help at first but slowly in some way or another all addicts will end up in a worse situation than they started out in with opiates no longer helping. Me for example started snorting 15mg oxys to take of the edge and get rid of my anxiety. I now lost everything i own of value, am facing jailtime, and best case scenario if i do a big shot of heroin my anxiety is only slightly worse then it was when i was sober from opiates, and if i dont take anything i cannot function mentally on a normal level. I have been clean on the suboxone program for 3 weeks now. But now its time to fae this jailtime or maybe not if i'm lucky and start my life over. So i'd say the only thing opiates did for me a was stole 4 years of life from me. DO NOT USE OPIATES TO SELF MEDICATE. They are the devil.

 

[Bojangles69]

People talk about this "depression" that comes along with long term opiate use and I want to note that that depression for me is very different than a sober minded type of depression.

Lets put it this way. I had issues with anxiety, had delt with it sober for many years after prison. Aquired 5 years clean, life was "good" for the most part, except there was always this residual anxiety that on certain days would just ruin my days. Some days were normal when I was sober, other days I just couldn't cope with the stress of life. Although I call it "anxiety" though it was more a feeling of claustrophobia for me. When I was at work I felt stuck, when I was home I felt stuck, I felt stuck in my life I think is what it was. And opiates made me forget that I wasnt 100% where I wanted to be in my life. Was working a part time job retail, worked with a lot of uneducated dirtbags, although I worked out persistently and stayed in shape I was always so damn serious with periods of weird manic fun in between, its hard to explain.

But opiates take that "heavy seriousness" away from life. I'm able to take everything just a tad bit lighter when I'm on opiates. Nothing seems to have intense meaning. So if I'm depressed, its fairly easy to pop out of on opiates, if I'm anything actually its fairly easy to pop out of mentally. Opiates definitely serve me in one way but in another way they do something very very bad that I can't put words on.
Thats the part the really fucks with me. Is when I'm addicted long term, and I find myself sitting around not WANTING TO DO ANYTHING. No stimulation of any sort. I think some people call this part of opiate addiction "depression", but I don't feel mentally depressed. I feel more like I have no care in the world to do anything but take my opiates, smoke my cigs, drink my coffee, and play around on the computer all day forcing work whenever I can.

Its definitely not depression though and I've been using long term. Its like life literally just slipped out of my fingers. I'm looking at something in front of me but don't know what to call it anymore. Its not life. Its me just existing. And I wonder if THIS is the price I'm paying for using opiates long term. I know when I quit I'll have a world of shit to get through but I'll also get normal feelings back and something about this is very refreshing. But right now on sub although I feel "ok". I feel like a loser lol. Its motivation I think is the thing. For some reason opiates give me motivation at first to want to excel at normal life activities... but after a certain point I can do absolutely nothing, and have no motivation to want to do anything. So its not "depression" its really a complete lack of motivation.

I took opiates initially because of anxiety, but I think it was moreso that I don't take to boredom well. They made everything fun. No matter where I was or what I was doing everything was enjoyable. But THAT is the exact problem. "Everything" becoming enjoyable. Because right now, my tolerance has gone up immensly, and I don't want to use the word "enjoyable" or "fun" anymore. At this stage theres a very thin level of contentness that exists for everything. Hmm I don't have a job... ehh I don't care I'm content with that. Hmm I don't have a gf... ehh well I'm content with that too. Hmmm I don't really eat more than one meal a day, I'm an insomniac, sleep till 2pm, spent the entire last week doing NOTHING and I mean NOTHING. I mean I just fucking graduated and the 7 days after graduation I did NOT DO SHIT. And guess what? I don't care.

THAT is what scares me the most about opiates.
Cause one day I'm going to wake up and be 48, and I'm going to see that yeh maybe I had a bit less anxiety in my life on opiates but what did I accomplish with my life? Nothing. I spent my whole life on the computer being antisocial, not working out, not taking on new learning ventures, etc etc.

This is the part of addiction that scares me. Its cold, hollow nothingness. Contentness in anything. Everything feels the same. Whether its a movie, a cigarette, meeting a girl, there seems to be the same low level of enjoyment for everything.
I really think the issue is after you assualt your endorphins for so long, your tolerance to endorphins goes so high in general that you just become devoid of all emotion. Good and bad.

I am so fucking lost in my life right now and have no direction. I've felt like this the whole time I've been on opiates. And I feel like I can't change till I stop. But I keep taking the shit. When does it end? Like what do I do go to rehab? I think I have to just start making the right choices. Slowly drop my use and get off this shit. Start working. Be ok with natural anxieties natural and unnatural. I don't know. But what I do know is the longer I use opiates the longer I feel lost in life. And I dno't wanna feel like this much longer.

 

[TheLostBoys]

People talk about this "depression" that comes along with long term opiate use and I want to note that that depression for me is very different than a sober minded type of depression.

Lets put it this way. I had issues with anxiety, had delt with it sober for many years after prison. Aquired 5 years clean, life was "good" for the most part, except there was always this residual anxiety that on certain days would just ruin my days. Some days were normal when I was sober, other days I just couldn't cope with the stress of life. Although I call it "anxiety" though it was more a feeling of claustrophobia for me. When I was at work I felt stuck, when I was home I felt stuck, I felt stuck in my life I think is what it was. And opiates made me forget that I wasnt 100% where I wanted to be in my life. Was working a part time job retail, worked with a lot of uneducated dirtbags, although I worked out persistently and stayed in shape I was always so damn serious with periods of weird manic fun in between, its hard to explain.

But opiates take that "heavy seriousness" away from life. I'm able to take everything just a tad bit lighter when I'm on opiates. Nothing seems to have intense meaning. So if I'm depressed, its fairly easy to pop out of on opiates, if I'm anything actually its fairly easy to pop out of mentally. Opiates definitely serve me in one way but in another way they do something very very bad that I can't put words on.
Thats the part the really fucks with me. Is when I'm addicted long term, and I find myself sitting around not WANTING TO DO ANYTHING. No stimulation of any sort. I think some people call this part of opiate addiction "depression", but I don't feel mentally depressed. I feel more like I have no care in the world to do anything but take my opiates, smoke my cigs, drink my coffee, and play around on the computer all day forcing work whenever I can.

Its definitely not depression though and I've been using long term. Its like life literally just slipped out of my fingers. I'm looking at something in front of me but don't know what to call it anymore. Its not life. Its me just existing. And I wonder if THIS is the price I'm paying for using opiates long term. I know when I quit I'll have a world of shit to get through but I'll also get normal feelings back and something about this is very refreshing. But right now on sub although I feel "ok". I feel like a loser lol. Its motivation I think is the thing. For some reason opiates give me motivation at first to want to excel at normal life activities... but after a certain point I can do absolutely nothing, and have no motivation to want to do anything. So its not "depression" its really a complete lack of motivation.

I took opiates initially because of anxiety, but I think it was moreso that I don't take to boredom well. They made everything fun. No matter where I was or what I was doing everything was enjoyable. But THAT is the exact problem. "Everything" becoming enjoyable. Because right now, my tolerance has gone up immensly, and I don't want to use the word "enjoyable" or "fun" anymore. At this stage theres a very thin level of contentness that exists for everything. Hmm I don't have a job... ehh I don't care I'm content with that. Hmm I don't have a gf... ehh well I'm content with that too. Hmmm I don't really eat more than one meal a day, I'm an insomniac, sleep till 2pm, spent the entire last week doing NOTHING and I mean NOTHING. I mean I just fucking graduated and the 7 days after graduation I did NOT DO SHIT. And guess what? I don't care.

THAT is what scares me the most about opiates.
Cause one day I'm going to wake up and be 48, and I'm going to see that yeh maybe I had a bit less anxiety in my life on opiates but what did I accomplish with my life? Nothing. I spent my whole life on the computer being antisocial, not working out, not taking on new learning ventures, etc etc.

This is the part of addiction that scares me. Its cold, hollow nothingness. Contentness in anything. Everything feels the same. Whether its a movie, a cigarette, meeting a girl, there seems to be the same low level of enjoyment for everything.
I really think the issue is after you assualt your endorphins for so long, your tolerance to endorphins goes so high in general that you just become devoid of all emotion. Good and bad.

I am so fucking lost in my life right now and have no direction. I've felt like this the whole time I've been on opiates. And I feel like I can't change till I stop. But I keep taking the shit. When does it end? Like what do I do go to rehab? I think I have to just start making the right choices. Slowly drop my use and get off this shit. Start working. Be ok with natural anxieties natural and unnatural. I don't know. But what I do know is the longer I use opiates the longer I feel lost in life. And I dno't wanna feel like this much longer.

If you think you can be happy in life w/o opiates & if opiates are holding you back from meeting women & finding a job, you need to slow down & evaluate. Some men take opiates to get the courage to talk to women but it effects you differently.

Some people have stage fright, they cant get up in front of alot of people & speak but once they pop a hydrocodone pill or what not, they are a new & confident person. They can help some while they destroy others. Just like alcohol, some people have been drinking for 40 years w/o a DUI & are productive in society & others have 5 DUI's within 10 years & are in & out of jail.

I dont know if its peoples luck or the addictive personality in each individual but obviously certain meds work for some & not others. Not saying opiates are the answer for depression, they just might not be for you.

I see people on this site go from 15mgs of oxycodone one month to shooting up heroin the next month, WTF is that about. You're trying to combat depression, not kill yourself but the addictive personalities get flooded with opiate love & its all over.

 

[Bojangles69]

Thanks for that response I was hoping to get feedback even though it wasn't my thread lol.

Opiates definitely keep me away from women because when I was off them I use to be a lot more aggressive. Plus I use to actually have the desire for sex. Now not only do I not have the desire for sex but I just don't care. So opiates definitely seem to make me asexual (although when I switched to sub I did notice my sex drive go up for a few weeks but now its flattened out again somewhat).

But the thing is I don't honestly believe they are ruining my life either. I believe I'm ruining my life. I don't have a super addictive personality, I'd call it very moderate if anything. Because I'm not the type to go from 15mg OC to heroin like you said. I've been maintaining on the same relative dose actually for about 3 years now. I went from pods and morphine pills to the lowest dose of sub I could maintain on (4mg).

I think whats really happened is opiates just make it easier to become nonproductive. And I came from a privelaged family so I never had a whole lot of motivation in the first place. I really just wind up wasting a lot of time being unproductive, then blame the opiates, when its really my fault. Although off the opiates, I'd naturally be anxious and discontent, so I'd always have to be doing something. I was a bit of a perfectionist when I was off them. Now I don't care about much of anything.

But still remains the fact that I feel happier and less anxious, less serious of a person overall than before opiates. I think one of the hardest decisions for me to make is whether or not opiates actually help me in the first place. You have to put SO MANY different factors on a scale, and for everything bad I find I can likely find something good.
I don't think they will ruin my life if I stay on them forever, I'm just worried I won't be as productive and successful as I would be off them. Although once again thats MY issue and I'm not sure why I keep believing subconciously that its the opies causing it.

Really I just need to find a fucking career already and be more aggressive. I think once I get a job a lot of things will come together and I'll feel like I have more direction. I'm getting interviews at least so hopefully over these next few weeks things will change.

Thanks for the response though I love this forum because we have a lot of "out of the box" thinkers on here. Plus a lot of intelligent people in general.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Thanks for that response I was hoping to get feedback even though it wasn't my thread lol.

Opiates definitely keep me away from women because when I was off them I use to be a lot more aggressive. Plus I use to actually have the desire for sex. Now not only do I not have the desire for sex but I just don't care. So opiates definitely seem to make me asexual (although when I switched to sub I did notice my sex drive go up for a few weeks but now its flattened out again somewhat).

But the thing is I don't honestly believe they are ruining my life either. I believe I'm ruining my life. I don't have a super addictive personality, I'd call it very moderate if anything. Because I'm not the type to go from 15mg OC to heroin like you said. I've been maintaining on the same relative dose actually for about 3 years now. I went from pods and morphine pills to the lowest dose of sub I could maintain on (4mg).

I think whats really happened is opiates just make it easier to become nonproductive. And I came from a privelaged family so I never had a whole lot of motivation in the first place. I really just wind up wasting a lot of time being unproductive, then blame the opiates, when its really my fault. Although off the opiates, I'd naturally be anxious and discontent, so I'd always have to be doing something. I was a bit of a perfectionist when I was off them. Now I don't care about much of anything.

But still remains the fact that I feel happier and less anxious, less serious of a person overall than before opiates. I think one of the hardest decisions for me to make is whether or not opiates actually help me in the first place. You have to put SO MANY different factors on a scale, and for everything bad I find I can likely find something good.
I don't think they will ruin my life if I stay on them forever, I'm just worried I won't be as productive and successful as I would be off them. Although once again thats MY issue and I'm not sure why I keep believing subconciously that its the opies causing it.

Really I just need to find a fucking career already and be more aggressive. I think once I get a job a lot of things will come together and I'll feel like I have more direction. I'm getting interviews at least so hopefully over these next few weeks things will change.

Thanks for the response though I love this forum because we have a lot of "out of the box" thinkers on here. Plus a lot of intelligent people in general.

I take hydrocodone prescribed for back pain & rarely take more than needed to get high but occasionally I will pop some morphine because I like the sedating feeling. I also find I enjoy opiates more when im feeling great emotionally compared to taking them when depressed.

Ive tried oxycodone as well but honestly, I dont like it at all. Was taking it for about a 2 month period every other day & what not & once that stash ran out, I had no cravings whatsoever probably because I didnt enjoy the stimulating effects & could care less about the drug. Ive taken percs & seem to enjoy them way more than oxycontin/oxycodone & yes, I do know percs have oxycodone in them but maybe the tylenol makes them more enjoyable to me.

Ive always wanted to try the stronger stuff but I wont allow myself because my tolerance will sky rocket & that is something I do not want. I do wish I could have found codeine easily when I first started or my doctor could have prescribed codeine contin, I would like to have kept my tolerance to the lowest of opiates.

 

[theseeker]

People talk about this "depression" that comes along with long term opiate use and I want to note that that depression for me is very different than a sober minded type of depression.

Lets put it this way. I had issues with anxiety, had delt with it sober for many years after prison. Aquired 5 years clean, life was "good" for the most part, except there was always this residual anxiety that on certain days would just ruin my days. Some days were normal when I was sober, other days I just couldn't cope with the stress of life. Although I call it "anxiety" though it was more a feeling of claustrophobia for me. When I was at work I felt stuck, when I was home I felt stuck, I felt stuck in my life I think is what it was. And opiates made me forget that I wasnt 100% where I wanted to be in my life. Was working a part time job retail, worked with a lot of uneducated dirtbags, although I worked out persistently and stayed in shape I was always so damn serious with periods of weird manic fun in between, its hard to explain.

But opiates take that "heavy seriousness" away from life. I'm able to take everything just a tad bit lighter when I'm on opiates. Nothing seems to have intense meaning. So if I'm depressed, its fairly easy to pop out of on opiates, if I'm anything actually its fairly easy to pop out of mentally. Opiates definitely serve me in one way but in another way they do something very very bad that I can't put words on.
Thats the part the really fucks with me. Is when I'm addicted long term, and I find myself sitting around not WANTING TO DO ANYTHING. No stimulation of any sort. I think some people call this part of opiate addiction "depression", but I don't feel mentally depressed. I feel more like I have no care in the world to do anything but take my opiates, smoke my cigs, drink my coffee, and play around on the computer all day forcing work whenever I can.

Its definitely not depression though and I've been using long term. Its like life literally just slipped out of my fingers. I'm looking at something in front of me but don't know what to call it anymore. Its not life. Its me just existing. And I wonder if THIS is the price I'm paying for using opiates long term. I know when I quit I'll have a world of shit to get through but I'll also get normal feelings back and something about this is very refreshing. But right now on sub although I feel "ok". I feel like a loser lol. Its motivation I think is the thing. For some reason opiates give me motivation at first to want to excel at normal life activities... but after a certain point I can do absolutely nothing, and have no motivation to want to do anything. So its not "depression" its really a complete lack of motivation.

I took opiates initially because of anxiety, but I think it was moreso that I don't take to boredom well. They made everything fun. No matter where I was or what I was doing everything was enjoyable. But THAT is the exact problem. "Everything" becoming enjoyable. Because right now, my tolerance has gone up immensly, and I don't want to use the word "enjoyable" or "fun" anymore. At this stage theres a very thin level of contentness that exists for everything. Hmm I don't have a job... ehh I don't care I'm content with that. Hmm I don't have a gf... ehh well I'm content with that too. Hmmm I don't really eat more than one meal a day, I'm an insomniac, sleep till 2pm, spent the entire last week doing NOTHING and I mean NOTHING. I mean I just fucking graduated and the 7 days after graduation I did NOT DO SHIT. And guess what? I don't care.

THAT is what scares me the most about opiates.
Cause one day I'm going to wake up and be 48, and I'm going to see that yeh maybe I had a bit less anxiety in my life on opiates but what did I accomplish with my life? Nothing. I spent my whole life on the computer being antisocial, not working out, not taking on new learning ventures, etc etc.

This is the part of addiction that scares me. Its cold, hollow nothingness. Contentness in anything. Everything feels the same. Whether its a movie, a cigarette, meeting a girl, there seems to be the same low level of enjoyment for everything.
I really think the issue is after you assualt your endorphins for so long, your tolerance to endorphins goes so high in general that you just become devoid of all emotion. Good and bad.

I am so fucking lost in my life right now and have no direction. I've felt like this the whole time I've been on opiates. And I feel like I can't change till I stop. But I keep taking the shit. When does it end? Like what do I do go to rehab? I think I have to just start making the right choices. Slowly drop my use and get off this shit. Start working. Be ok with natural anxieties natural and unnatural. I don't know. But what I do know is the longer I use opiates the longer I feel lost in life. And I dno't wanna feel like this much longer.

This post struck a chord with me. I'm pretty much in a very similar situation wrt motivation. I really need my motivation now and I'm wondering if even taking the light amount of opiates I do has been affecting it. My motivation is shot. I was just dwelling on that today- about how nothing really seems worthwhile doing anymore. It's like 'why try?', what will all my efforts lead to?

I've been unemployed for like 2 years now and it's really killing me. I'm not getting any younger and I'm watching my skills decay in slow motion. I thought the ultram was helping me- but I think it just allows me to binge on percs on the weekend without having any repercussions.

Thanks for that post- it really made me think

 

[mrflowers00]

i use opiates because it feels good because it relieves my pain

 

[TheLostBoys]

My motivation is shot. I was just dwelling on that today- about how nothing really seems worthwhile doing anymore. It's like 'why try?', what will all my efforts lead to?

If you think about it, no matter what we do in life, we will all die eventually, so does it really matter? I believe here is where the after life comes in. I believe myself that whatever good we do on this earth, meaning helping others & treating others as we want to be treated, we are rewarded in the next life. Now whether you wanna believe this or not is up to you, but believing there is something out there does make life a bit easier imo.

 

[regal]

Hydrocodone is a godsend for depression. I had a few major boughts with depression when I was young, depression turning into schizophrenia just locked up for days wanting to die, just like my Grandmother who was in mental "hospitals" most of her life. Prozac worked but was dangerous IMO. Then I had a major surgery where some nerves were permanently damaged, been on Hydrocodone 15 years since, no depression. Leading a productive life ever since. Of course I deal with pain everyday and am physically "weak" to others, but I'm not depressed and I get up and go to work every day and come home happy. Never once ran out of a script, or called for them early.

So yes opiates are amazing medicine for some with genetically deficient brain chemistry. But not for those with an addictive personality, you have to be very discipled.

Warning I did get addicted to tramadol, this is a dangerous like Prozac. Stick with close analogs of the good stuff motherearth gives us.