Psytrance clubs....what's that all about then?

[dee_dee]

How often do you go to London squat parties Evad? lol

 

[Evad]

rarely, guns and knives make me uncomfortable when i'm trying to have a good time

 

[TheSpade]

cup o' chai when you're tripping is v nice i must admit

Bottle of cider is even nicer.

 

[dee_dee]

Did you read it the newspaper again? *sighs*

 

[Evad]

nah dee dee I know people involved in the scenes. loads of london psy squat parties charge a tenner on the door to pay for muscle/metal detectors. just not necessary in most of the squat/free party scenes in the country.

outdoor>squat/warehouse every time

 

[dee_dee]

Hmm, well organised events imo are always safer with well organised security. Prevention is always better than cure.

I have absolutley no qualms about being at an event where I have to go through metal detectors and being searched correctly.

Apart from that security by law have to be medically trained to deal with all the problems that can arise from recreational drug use, and a very good job they do to. I have seen peoples lives saved many times by security from people doing daft things like mixing G with alcohol, taking to much k etc etc.

Sounds to me like you dont really care about peoples welfare. Last time I checked i thought you was in charge of this harm reduction board for Europe. Very odd.

 

[Myshkin]

Hmm, well organised events imo are always safer with well organised security. Prevention is always better than cure.

I hae absolutley no qualms about being at an event where I have to go through metal detectors and being searched correctly.

Move to Gaza. You'd love it.

 

[bighouse911]

psy parties often go out of their way to hire friendly security, rather than the cunts who are on the doors of most clubs in the UK, who do the job to feed their ego

 

[dee_dee]

Security save lives at events where people take recreational chems. Its not something to be taken lightly.

 

[Evad]

Hmm, well organised events imo are always safer with well organised security. Prevention is always better than cure.

I have absolutley no qualms about being at an event where I have to go through metal detectors and being searched correctly.

Apart from that security by law have to be medically trained to deal with all the problems that can arise from recreational drug use, and a very good job they do to. I have seen peoples lives saved many times by security from people doing daft things like mixing G with alcohol, taking to much k etc etc.

Sounds to me like you dont really care about peoples welfare. Last time I checked i thought you was in charge of this harm reduction board for Europe. Very odd.

guns and knives are not a problem at parties in other parts of the country dee dee, security is not usually needed. round here you wouldn't even see a fight let alone a gun. also never heard of a person dying at a free party round here, again without security and metal detectors. london parties are just rougher than others, truefacts.

your arguing technique is poor dee dee one of the point of free parties is that they're free another is to avoid authority figures including security guards.

people don't often (like really barely ever) die from doing too much K dee dee, it's a really pretty safe drug (used in moderation) and most people are capable of using drugs without needing a babysitter.

I am all for harm reduction but it largely falls to personal responsibility.

again, no i don't get my information on parties from the newspaper ( don't even by one don'tcha know) I have seen guns at licences events but never at a nice outdoor freeparty.

Security save lives at events where people take recreational chems. Its not something to be taken lightly.

the community looks after itself at the unlicensed events I go to

 

[dee_dee]

In the context of k i ment people taking a turn for the worse (and people do get in some right states on K), not die, I was talking about g and alcohol in that context.

We will have to agree to disagree. It is down to the responsibility of the person taking drugs, but at the end of the day, trained medics imo are important at such events, and they cost money. Security tend to kill two birds with one stone because they are always both by law, both trained medics and trained security.

Its not a poor argument technique Evad, because im not arguing.

Also this lofty unrealistic idealism of anti corporate/establishment whatever is a load of nonscence because for as much as theres a free party theres always somone profitering by selling drugs there so theres no such thing. Its a fantasy in peoples heads thats still lineing somones pocket. I think id rather go to an event where people were selling or taking drugs where my safety is taken into consideration.

 

[Evad]

I never criticized having security/metal detectors where necessary just the environment in which they were necessary. Also pretty sure none (certainly not all) of the security at illegal squat parties in LDN are not trained medics, more like low rent MMA fighters!

Are you a regular on the psy squat scene dee dee ?

Accusing me of not caring about people's welfare was inflammatory if not argumentative you must admit?

 

[dee_dee]

You no I love you really Evad.

I have been to a few in my time but its not my scene.

You always get intersting and friendly people though completley cross the board mix.

I cant stand Psy trance music though alas.

There used to be really good minimal tech free parties around Shoreditch in underground car parks and stuff, but unfortunatley the main ones have turned into corporate club nights now, but thats a sign of there sucess I guess.

 

[Safrolette]

One thing that does baffle me though; if they are so infamous for their drug taking clientele, how come they are still going? And how are the security staff at these venues? I can imagine there are a few casualties during the night.

Interesting question here. There may be more than one reason:

1) Psy-trance, apart from those disgraceful London squat parties and maybe a few other exceptions, tends to attract a nicely mixed, civilized, peaceful and mature crowd. Which can't always be said about grime, dubstep and D&B.

2) Mature and responsible crowd = less casualties (fingers crossed on this one). There is security staff at the venues, but not of the type who stares if you do as much as putting a hand in your pocket.

3) The best, small scale events are not too widely publicized. Yes, they are advertised on FB and on specialist forums, but not on the front page of, say, DSI. Although I've noticed that a few nights have been mentioned in previous posts, I personally wouldn't name them on here.

Hope you enjoy your psy-trance night, Nomy, chai-tea and everything ... Leave some feedback in this thread if you have time

 

[bighouse911]

I have not been to a squat party, as in Leeds the psy scene is going pretty strongly in the clubs, although the majority of them are in the West Indian centre which I guess could be considered almost like a squat hehe! so many amazing looking events/lineups in London though which I would love to check out! frequent on psymusic forum and it does sound like quite often they get shutdown or have venue cancellations at the last minute but still some of them most be unreal!

 

[dee_dee]

Whats the location of these disgraceful parties in London then Safrollete?

All the well known ones are well known and tend to crop up in the same buildings and locations.

 

[bighouse911]

Whats the location of these disgraceful parties in London then Safrollete? All the well known ones are well known and tend to pop in the same buildings.

i've read some stories about parties being held in the wrong places, such as near Millwall (? don't know London very well) and gangs coming in and seriously brutalising people, robbings and beatings. that would be why good security is def a necessity!

 

[dee_dee]

I wouldnt listen to gossip, your obviously not very well or correctly informed.

 

[Evad]

dee dee that's a serious issue (not sure about millwall lol, but gangs storming parties) that's why london squat parties often charge for security etc. Drugged up people in an unlicensed venue at an illegal event are also less likely to call polis: hence easy pickings for gangs. Not JUST london raves but any city with a big gang problem.

This is not a scene you are involved/clued up about.

 

[dee_dee]

Of course, its a serious issue ANYWHERE. Just because places may have security doesnt mean its more dodgy, on the contrary, quite the opposite IMO.

I have yet to hear of any trouble at London events of that genre and description.

Nightclubs, yes I can name many with metal detectors, where in the past theres been shootings etc, but I could do the same for Manchester, Liverpool etc etc.

Theres no exclusivity when it comes down to postcodes IMO.