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fernsal1

fernsal1

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I want to try the mints, but im from CALI
what would be more harmful to the brain and body?
rolling once a week for 16 weeks starting at 100mg mdxx for the first 8 times plus 150mg on the last 8
OR
taking 400mg then waiting 4 weeks and taking again 400mg then waiting 4 weeks and taking 500mg and again 500mg after four weeks?
basically whats worse binges or rolling to often in terms of comedown, neurotoxicity, or other kidney and/or adrenal problems
 
Something tells me that taking higher dosages even though its less often would be more harmful, but then again I could be dead wrong.

If you have to ask though, I think both of them may be a bit too excessive.
 
in my experience..higher doses.....I rolled 3 times (kinda 4) in 1 week with no effects really....last sunday I rolled 1 time on a REALLY strong cap....highest dose I ever had at 1 time......and I'm just getting over the effects...really did my brain and body in!..its been 5 days and I still kinda feel it..each day I get better...where as the 3 times (kinda 4) in 1 week...I only felt the after effects the day after! :) even at the end of the week...2 days after I felt awsome and no effects wats so ever! so be careful with those bigger doses and/or stronger pills/caps!! ;)
 
once a week for 16 weeks sounds worse to me. Although those higher doses might be worse for you, you're only rolling 4 times...
4 strong rolls with a month in between them doesn't sound nearly as bad as rolling 16 times.. once every week :o

it also depends on when the 400 and 500mgs were consumed. if say you took 200mgs and then 200mgs an hour or two later, it's probably not as bad as if you took 100 mgs, then like 100 mgs a few hours later, then 100mgs a few hours later... etc. Dosing time can have an effect.

I still think rolling 16 times would be alot worse.
 
Rolling more often is worse for your brain and body! Normally if you have zero tollerance etc then you wouldnt even use 400mgs or 500mgs in a session.
 
Rolling on a regular basis is worse because your brain starts to adjust to your "custom" routine of serotonin overstimulation.

Over time your axons with spider out in erratic crackhead like ways and further damage your thought process over a long and stretched out recovery.
 
Prehaps you should be asking what is better... excess is just that...

Now aside from being a philisophical jackass id say 500mg over the course of a weekend with a month break isn't excessive... if you start feeling like everything is weak, skip a month or two and make sure u test ur stuff... :)
 
Tell me you're not planning on doing this...

No Consequence said:
once a week for 16 weeks sounds worse to me. Although those higher doses might be worse for you, you're only rolling 4 times...
4 strong rolls with a month in between them doesn't sound nearly as bad as rolling 16 times.. once every week :o

it also depends on when the 400 and 500mgs were consumed. if say you took 200mgs and then 200mgs an hour or two later, it's probably not as bad as if you took 100 mgs, then like 100 mgs a few hours later, then 100mgs a few hours later... etc. Dosing time can have an effect.

I still think rolling 16 times would be alot worse.
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I basically take at least 400mg of MDMA every 4 weeks, I'm sure that would be a lot more safe...

The reason why is because his body won't have enough time to restore it's seratonin if he does it every week... Even though he takes a lot, it's every four weeks. Your body is basically back to normal within a month...
 
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I really think this depends on the individual. It's not impossible for some people to roll weekly with reasonable doses and feel fine. Others don't do well unless it's only a few times per year. We all have a different body/brain :)
 
By the 4th time I rolled I did just shy of 500mg of shards, and didn't feel half as good as the first time when I did 100mg so now that its been a over 2 months I'm gonna see where 100mg puts me.
 
fernsal1 said:
what would be more harmful to the brain and body?
rolling once a week for 16 weeks starting at 100mg mdxx for the first 8 times plus 150mg on the last 8
OR
taking 400mg then waiting 4 weeks and taking again 400mg then waiting 4 weeks and taking 500mg and again 500mg after four weeks?
basically whats worse binges or rolling to often in terms of comedown, neurotoxicity, or other kidney and/or adrenal problems
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Rolling more often is worse.
Why would you take 500mg in one sitting? Once you get to a certain point with MDMA you stop getting higher and just start wasting drugs...and who would want to do that?:|
 
^ Proof? and proof?

500mg will get you alot more wasted than 100mg.. or even 400mg..

Not that its recommended..
 
You only have so much seretonin... Once it's gone, it's gone.
Just because you take more MDMA doesnt magically make more seretonin appear. :|
If you take 500mg of MDMA but only have enough seretonin for, lets say, 400mg of that MDMA to be effective, you've just wasted 100mg and are only making your self feel all tweaked out.
 
NationOfThizzlam said:
Rolling more often is worse.
Why would you take 500mg in one sitting? Once you get to a certain point with MDMA you stop getting higher and just start wasting drugs...and who would want to do that?:|
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yeah rolling more often is wayyy worse, especially if its multiple days in a row. I've eaten 3/4 of a gram before in one night (worst decision i've ever made in my entire life, literally :!) and I never really stopped getting higher. But I think I see what you're saying, I definitely never got to the point i wanted. I kept redosing over and over and was never truly satisfied. Well actually yeah you're kind right, once you get to a certain point you can keep doing more to bring yourself back up to that point but you can't get any higher.
 
NationOfThizzlam said:
You only have so much seretonin... Once it's gone, it's gone.
Just because you take more MDMA doesnt magically make more seretonin appear. :|
If you take 500mg of MDMA but only have enough seretonin for, lets say, 400mg of that MDMA to be effective, you've just wasted 100mg and are only making your self feel all tweaked out.
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This applies to redosing after a certain period of time from coming up.. 500mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 400mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 300mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 200mg in 1 hour etc etc..
 
If you view your serotonin as a renewable chemical (which it is), and you assume that your serotonin will replenish itself 100% by the 4 week mark after MDMA use (common theory), then it makes sense that you could have some effects week after week on small amounts of MDMA, but the experience would likely be less fulfilling each time, and you would eventually have a fairly depleted system and feel nothing, or potentially adverse effects as the weeks go on.

I'm fairly confident that going for larger doses on rarer occasions is safer and more fulfilling as an experience- but I'm not an expert, so this is merely my theory from my own research and experience. Serotonin is a part of what MDMA plays on, but there's more to your brains serotonin system than just the neurotransmitter itself, there are nerve cells that must be in tact for it's healthy function, there are "pathways" that die off and rebuild, PMAT transporters (which are even a fairly new discovery), and tons of other components we probably don't even know of yet. In order to have a fulfilling experience, this entire system has to be functioning healthfully.

As far as attempting 500mgs in a night: Ultimately, if you have no more releasable serotonin, you're not going to continue to roll as the night goes on- you're simply just dosing more pills at some point. At some point if you're using MDMA too often, your monoamine neurotransmitter's will start to stop functioning properly and require even more time off than the usual every 30 day rule if you want to have a fulfilling experience again. If it takes you 500 mgs to achieve the level of euphoria you used to on 100 mgs, it stands to reason you need some time off and you are depleted of serotonin or suffering 5-HT uptake/receptor damage.
 
rickolasnice said:
This applies to redosing after a certain period of time from coming up.. 500mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 400mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 300mg in 1 hour will feel like alot more than 200mg in 1 hour etc etc..
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Yes and no.

It WILL feel like alot more in that you will feel way more fucked up. However the EMPATHOGENIC effects (ie: 'magic') of MDMA do cut off at a certain dosage level.

As NoT said: once you run out of serotonin/overstimuate your receptors with MDMA: you will NOT roll harder.

YES you will feel a more pronounced high.... But it is NOT more of an MDMA high (which is what most people are seeking to obtain)
 
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