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My theory about the Universe

chitownbrown said:
my theory of the universe is that no1 will ever know the real truth and that people will go on until the end of mankind making up differnt stories, some of them more fucking retarded than others because unless you meet God and He tells you how he did it how the fuck do you have the slightest clue?
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You can only know the real truth 'directly' -- through sensing (e.g. the senses, including sensed thoughts) and being. All the rest are merely stories, however plausible.

Knowing is Being -- to be, is to know.

The real truth is wide open and available now, this moment -- without conditions.

'Falsehood' is, as usual scarce, mysterious, complex and difficult to understand. You have to search for it, and it's still never conclusively found. The truth is, prior to thought... before you are even able to think about it. It *is*. "The false" has no being, thus it is not.

Peace...
 
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chinup said:
the problem with this idea, is that there will not be a single mathematical theory which describes exactly the outcomes to every experiment we can perform. there will be a multitude of such theories. each will then have a multitude of models with different ontological baggage, which all give exactly the same predictions. this is basically what the mathematical field of model theory is about, though obviously it doesn't yet deal with candidates for the axioms of the universe because we don't have any. but just as there are nonstandard models of arithmetic, there will be nonstandard models of the universe. afaik the number of theories precisely describing reality could possibly be infinite, meaning the chances of the theory we hit on to describe reality being the correct one are vanishingly small. in addition, again afaik, the number of models instantiating each theory could possibly be infinite, meaning even if we get the correct theory, our interpretation of it could be totally wrong.

this doesn't IMO undermine the logic of trying to explain the universe even at the most fundamental level. it can have unexpected benefits for humanity, for example the internet arising from CERN.

and OP- by saying 'there is only one way the universe works' do you mean that its clear that there's a grand unified theory? i personally see no problem in having two fundamental laws in the universe, as long as they don't contradict each other, as is the case with our two current laws of the universe. or am i totally misunderstanding you?
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I think perhaps Lazyscience was putting a mildly humouristic bent on some of the problems of science and mathematics. As you mentioned there are two 'theories' in science that claim to explain or describe the Universe. The chances are that both are incorrect given scientific progression. I think he's saying that just when we think we have the maths/formula for the universe, more mysteries will come to light that open new forms of mathematics. When you finally kill the Big Boss on an arcade game, the game's not over, you simply move up to level two.

Hope that makes sense.

PAX
 
Pythagoras said:
I think perhaps Lazyscience was putting a mildly humouristic bent on some of the problems of science and mathematics. As you mentioned there are two 'theories' in science that claim to explain or describe the Universe. The chances are that both are incorrect given scientific progression. I think he's saying that just when we think we have the maths/formula for the universe, more mysteries will come to light that open new forms of mathematics. When you finally kill the Big Boss on an arcade game, the game's not over, you simply move up to level two.

Hope that makes sense.

PAX
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What makes perfect sense, from here, is your wording above -- e.g. "the game's not over".

On some level, we know that what we invest crucial meaning and importance into, as if it were reality, is just a game... eh?

There's a vast, implicit net of social agreement suggesting that "we are all going to take this game called 'society / life as we know it' as real, and help remind each other that this is reality, that this is the way life really is and it's crucial to remember and live by it".

Because that is what maintains the active psychological movement known as "self / other".

"We cause problems for each other, and we bear each other's burdens".

Self and other are creatures/creators of each other -- a complementary dualistic pair in which neither self nor other ever exists alone.

And "that" in which they co-arise, and co-vanish (e.g. when one goes to sleep, or gets deeply involved in a good movie or book) is neither oneself, nor someone else.

Peace...
 
^^

What is Luria's Kabbalistic take on the theory of the universe, aside from the Tzimtzum contraction?
 
would you rather be a proton protected by a nucleus or a smaller electron protected by nothing?
 
People with free will have flaws; nature is deterministic as has been proved through science. We may be able to macro model time and space, but never the people who live in it.

History does repeat itself though right? When our galaxy collapses, the physical principles in play will create another one. We could thus model both human and natural existence with an infinitely complex equation of euler exponential basis. It would have to have infinite variables and be differential in nature so that seed equations would explain the models at microscopic inspections.
 
Fixed5217 said:
History does repeat itself though right? When our galaxy collapses, the physical principles in play will create another one. We could thus model both human and natural existence with an infinitely complex equation of euler exponential basis. It would have to have infinite variables and be differential in nature so that seed equations would explain the models at microscopic inspections.
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i see what you are saying, and it seems when or if, our earth is part of a chain reaction of implosions in a set directive force of "space matter" the earths elements will SQuiSH then POP then spray as cosmic matter, the SUcK back into its self, and probably -flux a few times before these elemtsof ours reasembled combine into new.

also, the vibrations sent from earth "smash-gathering-wtf" would probably reverberate, rippple out causing further "re-construction" of our Moon and smaller clusters, new ones that may form with in reach.


i think, for now.


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the 'cube-of-space' seems our best lead, that is presented already, with out any fumbling around.
i see you are talking about an "equation" as in theory, and not Atom smashing etc.

the answer to all our questions, so far have been right under our noses simply in nature, so trying to think around it seems like the start of a viscous-circle, or working around it and blowing everything up - i mean, we cant out smart nature, because it is ourselves.
 
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neurons in our body fire by rapidly growing, and then retracting.. i think
kind of like if the universe rapidly expanded and then retracted after the information was passed, then waited for the next bit of information to be passed.

i feel like our bodies are key in figuring out how the universe works...
 
we have the key inside of us i reckon...

smoking DMT unlocks stuff.... if only we could comprehend/remember/slow the trips down i reckon we would learn all kinds of shit

perhaps the universe is an alien accident... an alien experiment bomb that went off...or went wrong...

or something. after all, there was a big bang

fuck knows.
 
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" Sometimes being beaten to death by life's realities is all that will do it. "

so true i want to vomit.

" Thought/mind is really quite the complex lie in support of the simplest psychic desires and fears, such as "someone to look after me", "being protected/safe", "recognizing me as someone important", etc. "

as long as reality is always here, pretending to see thee stars can be hard.




... pace
 
sssssssssss said:
i feel like our bodies are key in figuring out how the universe works...
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How come?

Should I believe the theory that my body is out there in the universe, or believe my own eyes and see that it's in here in my consciousness, along with yours?

D'pends how important the self inhabiting that supposedly all-important universe is, because really the universe don't mean squat and that self means everything.

or not.
Fixed5217 said:
People with free will have flaws;
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The notion of free will has a flaw.

You have to protect, defend and guard it, if you have it.

If not, you really don't notice anything's missing and there's nothing to protect and defend.

Broken theory.
 
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Pythagoras said:
^^

Two word sentences: I'm lost. Please explain. Not clear. What's meant?


What broken theory are you referring to?:)
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The free will that's bound to self-defense and protection.

And the absence of free will that's free of having to choose free will and then fight for it.

Peace...
 
well i say that our bodies are key in figuring how the universe works b/c our bodies is what we know most, so its what we have to relate to

ur eyes are an illusion, you also have 4 other senses... maybe more, you just dont may much attention to them.

u should believe what makes u feel least guilty.
 
The truth is addled with shit

i agree, believe what you feel is right. If you truly want an answer and actively search for it, you will start to see/hear

shit all around that kinda sounds right...if this happens, spend a couple min, hours, or days and see where it leads you.

Your answer will be provided for you if you learn how to ask for it, i think this is what religions mean when

saying "surrender to god and faith". They just have a slightly different take on the god figure than i do...to each their

own, and i appreciate the widening of perception posed by all theories...

Bring On The Bullshit! ill sift threw it to find my truths.
 
I believe the answers we are looking for to the reason of life or the existence of the universe can be understood by looking at smaller constructs to understand how they work, and what they are for. For example compare our reason for being with that of a flower. Look at it's atomic chemistry, you can understand that the reason for existence is to form life, to bring about order to chaos. We search for wisdom, wisdom is understanding, understanding is part of everything we do and try to do. It brings forth dreams and aspirations. Dreams and aspirations spread forth life. Everything is interwoven, and knowledge is the fabric of our psychy just as the universe is fabric for life. Life is a reflection of what lies within our universe. What that is, I am still searching to understand, as are we all.
 
Dedbeet said:
There's a crucial mistake there that man has been making for centuries.

A subject cannot have itself as an object, in order to understand itself.

If this was understood in the first place, that the subject itself could only *be* itself, not know/understand itself, it would be clear by now that consciousness/awareness is the subject (not the human body), and that subject is inseparable from object.

To know yourself, look out through your eyes at any time. You're seeing it.

Peace...
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Yup, that is the intellectual and logical explanation that does point straight to the heart of the matter, the problem is explaining that in a way that people really get jiggy with, really get the point that you, like many people before you have seen, and all of you, all who come to see this thing, you discover that sharing it with words is not an easy thing, because what you are describing hints at a space beyond language, beyond description, because it's just a fluid happening, its a verb not a noun, there is no noun.

Getting people to turn their gaze inwardly and face the challenge of discovering there is no doer, It's a nobel thing to want to impart that wisdom, but because it speaks of a place beyond language then how do you do that ? how do you paint a descriptive picture with words ?, I think this is perhaps where the lost art of true poetic writing hints at a bridge over the boundary between heard and seen.

The bard can tell it better than the priest or the scientist or the guru.

You gotta tell that story in a way that gets people on the edge of their seat, totally enthralled with the logic, and the crazyness of it all, and get them to the point where they can clearly see that all they have ever been doing is running up behind themselves and shouting Boo!

Then the laughter starts.

Peace
 
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