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Phenibut

It can turn a shit day into a good one, but watch for it becoming a habit!
 
Probably a good thing. However, tolerance goes back down as quick as it goes up, when you give it a break, I found. So that's good too.
 
I just wanted to share my Phenibut experiences with everyone.

Going back 18 months or so, I developed a GBL dependency. After a few months, I realised I needed to quit and Phenibut was suggested to alleviate the withdrawals. It did, and I began taking (roughly) three 600mg doses per day.

Long story short, a year and a bit down the line, I found myself stuck with the stuff unable to get away from it. I needed it in order to get out of bed in the morning and if ever I didnt have a stock in the cupboard, I found myself panicking. I realised I needed to quit, and the stories I read online of psychosis and long, drawn out withdrawals really put me off.

Eventually, here's what I did. I don't claim my experience to be typical, but this is how it happened.

I found myself in a position where my stash of Phenibut had run out and I wasn't able to order any in, as the stockists were out. Luckily, I had already decided I wanted to quit by this stage and had ordered some Baclofen via an online pharmacy in anticipation of this. At this stage, I was probably taking about 4-5g of Phenibut per day. As I rolled into the weekend with a very limited supply of Phenibut, I regulated the doses strictly as I only had a tiny bit left. I had a couple of 300mg doses on the Saturday, then a lot of alcohol in the evening at a party which helped mask things. The day after, I had another two 300mg doses several hours apart. After a troubled night, the next day I tried to move onto the Baclofen. I took 20mg and it alleviated most of the withdrawals, but it left my body craving a high.

From here, I went for about two weeks mixing Phenibut and Baclofen. I was taking 20mg Baclofen in the morning, then topping up with 300-500mg Phenibut later in the day as I began to feel drained. Eventually, I decided to take things seriously and get out this cycle for good, so I dropped the Phenibut completely and kept the Baclofen going.

I stayed on a 20mg dose of Baclofen for another week or so (which I appreciate is a fairly low dose). After that week, I began to taper off. I went to 15mg for three days, 10mg for the next three days and finally 5mg for three more days. I was at work all this time, so it was a bit uncomfortable, as I began to feel rather anxious in the last three. For my first day completely free though, I was off work completely, and it was very uncomfortable. I spent the day wrapped in a duvet feeling really uncomfortable, like there was something missing, without being able to concentrate. Eventually, the day was up and I used some Zopiclone to sleep. From there, I had another four or five uncomfortable days where I was able to get things done, but didn't feel paticularly motivated and felt there was something missing.

At the time of writing, it is two weeks since I took my last Backlofen dose and I don't feel quite "normal" just yet, but I do now know for sure that I have kicked the Phenibut to the kerb.

For me, it was a lot easier than I anticipated. I have no idea how, and I am very grateful I have been able to do it even though I wouldn't say I'm completely in the clear yet. I know others may find it a lot harder, but I really just wanted to post this to give a bit of hope and to show that it is possible to quit without a huge amount of pain and that quitting is definitely worthwhile!

Phenibut is something to be approached with caution and used with respect. If there's anyone that wants to chat about quitting or ask me anything, please feel free. I'm definitely no authority on the subject, but I'm so glad to be rid of it I really want to help anyone else who may be in the position I was not that long ago!
 
hirsty said:
Is Phenibut any use for alcohol withdrawal? ie, to stop shaking, delerium tremens etc?

Last year I stopped an 8month diazepam habit which was absolute hell! I'm suprised I didnt die after taking ~50mg a day then totally running out, those two weeks after that were mad, i was an absolute wreck... And I basically ended up swapping that addiction with a serious alcohol addiction.

February this year with the help of my GP I was prescribed chlordiazepoxide for around 3 weeks tapering down to deal with the alcohol withdrawal, as I had absolutely no ££'s to even buy one can of beer to even stop the shakes etc..

My detox was going well and the counselling sessions were good and I felt slightly on my way to being normal again..

Fast forward 6 months or so i've found myself right back at square one, drinking probably around 20 units a day :S... After my girlfriend ditched me over my drinking and a sudden realisation that things seriously cannot carry on like this cos i'm gonna end up killing myself I need to stop.... I dont wanna go back to the GP again cos it won't really look good. And i've only got about 30mg of diazepam to even try to self medicate myself with. Would Phen have any sort of properties of diaz for alcohol withdrawal? I read it's a GABA-B antagonist as opposed to GABA-A so dunno if it would work?
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My non-scientific opinion is that it would probably be of use, but I would recommend other things over it. Have you considered Baclofen? As I stated, I found it easy to withdraw from this drug as opposed to Phenibut, which I (and many others) have really messed up with.

Phenibut I suspect can really help with many withdrawals, but I would caution anyone never to take it for more than three days, which I imagine is not long enough to properly counter an addiction.
 
wspanic said:
Reading this thread has made me decide to register. Here is my situation... I am a recovering addict who suffers from pretty severe anxiety. I discovered phenibut and thought all my problems had been solved. To make a long story short, a 100 gram tub lasts me 7 days. I would just quit cold turkey, but I have school and work, and feel like doing so would effect both. I definitely cannot afford to screw up in class or at my job. It doesn't look like there is an easy way to get off of this stuff, but I would like to make it to where I can at least function. Any suggestions would be great. I might be able to get on some neurontin... I think that might help quit a bit, at least I hope so. I'm sick of this stuff and I know it is doing a number on my kidneys and liver. I am up for trying anything, but definitely can not afford to screw up my classes or work. Thanks.
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Welcome to Bluelight mate.

I don't have any advice for you as not familiar with Phenibut, sorry, but I hope you get some decent advice off some of the more knowledgeable posters on here and get yourself sorted.

Peace.
 
I was on the stella last night and woke up this morning feeling a bit groggy.

I have also wondered what phenibut does for hangovers so took 2 grams this morning. Last dose was Thursday. I'll see how the day goes and if it helps with the grogginess. This is a one off experimental dose for a hangover. No more now until next weekend. Should be feeling the goodness in the next couple of hours.
 
Well it seems a combination of time [the great healer] and phenibut have worked.
I feel fine and it stopped me grabbing a hair of the dog at 8.30 am which i normally do.

For acute alcohol withdrawal,again i am no expert on how phenibut would effect this but i could also see it helping due to it's anxiolytic properties but please never use for more than three days and don't go taking silly 4 gram doses. 2 grams is my sweet spot although i have also occasionally taken another gram for a night time dose.

Hirsty,hope all is well soon.
 
hirsty said:
Is Phenibut any use for alcohol withdrawal? ie, to stop shaking, delerium tremens etc?

Last year I stopped an 8month diazepam habit which was absolute hell! I'm suprised I didnt die after taking ~50mg a day then totally running out, those two weeks after that were mad, i was an absolute wreck... And I basically ended up swapping that addiction with a serious alcohol addiction.

February this year with the help of my GP I was prescribed chlordiazepoxide for around 3 weeks tapering down to deal with the alcohol withdrawal, as I had absolutely no ££'s to even buy one can of beer to even stop the shakes etc..

My detox was going well and the counselling sessions were good and I felt slightly on my way to being normal again..

Fast forward 6 months or so i've found myself right back at square one, drinking probably around 20 units a day :S... After my girlfriend ditched me over my drinking and a sudden realisation that things seriously cannot carry on like this cos i'm gonna end up killing myself I need to stop.... I dont wanna go back to the GP again cos it won't really look good. And i've only got about 30mg of diazepam to even try to self medicate myself with. Would Phen have any sort of properties of diaz for alcohol withdrawal? I read it's a GABA-B antagonist as opposed to GABA-A so dunno if it would work?
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It's a GABA-b agonist. It should help quite a lot with alcohol withdrawal, like GHB/GBL does. However, you might find yourself with a phenibut addiction, if you use it in this fashion.
 
I ordered another tub of Phenibut, I had some unpleasant withdrawals last time my 100g tub only lasted for 3 weeks followed by going cold turkey when it ran out, kept me up for about 3 days, alcohol worked a treat for getting to sleep though.

But despite with withdrawal, Phenibut brought a lot of positive changes to my life while it lasted, so I can't help but try it again...
 
Serious question here, whenever I take high-ish doses of phenibut, when i wake up the next day I hear this really weird sound occasionally.

it's kind of like a soft "whoop" sound, which sounds very "Suction-y", it repeats every 30 seconds to about one minute, it's somewhat loud, and sounds very real, almost like it's coming from another source nearby, but seems to come right from the center of my head... (Of course, only I can hear it)

it's really weird, nothing worrying, but it definitely is a confusing sound which I really want to find the source of!

I also get some rather sudden twitches in my arms & hands. (Surprisngly it's not uncomfrtable, just annoying how sometimes it causes me to sometimes, for example, spill my drink because my hand suddenly twitched)
 
GHB and GBL cause these twitches. I assume it's because they both act on GABA-b. As for the noises...I couldn't say. Some imbalance that is likely to be harmless.
 
Whoa, some hefty users in here. Take it easy you guys.

I find anymore 1.5g makes my head wonky and stuff. I've only used it sporadically as a day enhancer.

I'm going to start using it in ~0.5-0.7g doses. I also wonder if this stuff helps secrete HGH like GABA supposedly does.
 
Apparently so. I assume that's why it's popular with body builders.
 
Any one actually had any problems with their kidneys or liver because of this?
I get pain on my right back part of the abdomen (just right of my spine) when ever I get high (most days I dose to feel normal) or drink with Phen.
 
Did anyone combine phenibut with GBL? did they synergize?

I'm planning a test with memantine to see wheter it would prevent phenibut tolerance, but still want to take my gbl too.
 
Treacle said:
GHB and GBL cause these twitches. I assume it's because they both act on GABA-b. As for the noises...I couldn't say. Some imbalance that is likely to be harmless.
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Indeed, those are mini abscene seizures and can be prevented with an otc anti abscence seizure medication Ethosuximide, atleast its OTC in belguim, it directly antagonizes the pathway GABAB causes convulsant like activity.
 
That's very interesting. I wish I'd known that back when I was doing it. I'd say mixing GBL and phenibut is a BAD idea. I'd start at half your normal dose of each. Careful! :)
 
Jakeperson said:
Any one actually had any problems with their kidneys or liver because of this?
I get pain on my right back part of the abdomen (just right of my spine) when ever I get high (most days I dose to feel normal) or drink with Phen.
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Yeah this does seem to be a problem.. for a week i was taking anywhere from 1 - 5gs of paracetamol (500/30 codeine mix) with phenibut and drink and while pissing it would literally stop 10+ times.. pressure from my bladder seemed non existant and i experienced some lower back pains. That's the worst it's ever been. Now, sometimes when i combine alcohol with phenibut my piss will stop a few times or take a while to come / ending with a 2 minute drip drip drip..

These are all signs of buggered kidneys, i believe?
 
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