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XTC Dying?

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Is xtc dying in aus especially in sydney all these new day pills are either duds speedbombs or some other crap.
How ever the last pill that i tried was about 2 months ago called Red Stars my mate got them for us i was suprised how good they were. Nice proper peek after maybe 2 3 bloody years
 
Welcome to Bluelight milanb. If you scoot back to the Aus Drug Discussion front page you will see a small search box at the top of the screen. This is a search function and it will highlight plenty of previous threads discussing this very topic...... since around 2008. I'm sure this will be merged into one of those threads.

Is it dying? Well it did try it's best there for a while. Was this a bad thing? I believe not. You see for a number of years people went a little crazy. There was no respect for MDMA (that's the good stuff you want) and punters went from enjoying one or two pills in a night to chucking back 5, 6 hell even ten or more with little regard to quality or the fact you deplete your brains supply of serotonin to the point where more is pointless. On top of this no one were testing their pills (something you will see Bluelight is big on), and were willing to neck any old rubbish. Worse than that, when they realised they did not have MDMA they would still consume the pill. This had the flow on effect of producers realising they could sell any old shit for the same or higher profit. Prices plummeted at the same time as quality tanked, until the public's perception of pills has reached an all time low.

Believe it or not this has been a good thing. Pills have such a bad name that true believers have shunned them at the same time as powered mdma has increased in popularity. It might not be as convenient as a pressed pill but when you find it now you treat it with the respect it deserves. The price is slightly higher but that just means you are more discerning regarding quality and are less likely to fiend and abuse (well I am anyway).

Profits drive production and now there are two tiers of dealers. One is is the McDonalds type supplier who still have a captured market in clubs on a Friday Saturday night who can flog all manner of shit to punters who really don't know better (or give a shit). The other is more your sit down, fine dining type dealer who will charge for quality. Their clients thankfully are a little more discerning , and will test and only pay for quality mdma. It might take a while but this will eventually filter back to the weekend fiender, but they will likely have to choose whether they want to pay the higher cost.

My best advise is to test your product and more importantly walk away from shit quality. If the people speak the dealers will listen.
 
I think its gone for good. Children today have no idea about anything and its pretty rare to encounter someone that has ever typed the name of a drug into google/ bluelight..

The amount of dumb fucks i used to meet that would be like "wtf your pupils are sooo big...wtf are you on"

I tell em acid and they are all like "ohhh fuck that..acid..omg..fuck that i just know i'd have a bad trip"

HA! the worst kind IMO... "I'm gonna have a bad trip"

soo many dumb shits lining up for 10 packs every weekend and then whinging about how crap pills are. OR.. they get a buzz off some other shit chemical and think thats what its all about...my god just think what they are eating hey.

At least back in the good ol days you knew 95% of the time you were bound to get MDMA, and took all the "you don't know whats going into your body" talk with a grain of salt...i freqeuntly bought pills off randoms at raves and was always munting hard!

Nowadays though...its like..seriously..what ARE they putting into their bodies!?
 
Well said Busty :)

This post from Psilo sums up the situation well:

PsiloSubNaut said:
After multiple threads asking the same question about why MDMA has all but gone on our streets, I have decided to start this thread to educate BLers on the factors surrounding this 'MDMA drought'

In 2008 the AFP went over to Cambodia and burned 33 tonnes of safrole, the main precursor for MDMA and enough to make over 200 million tablets. Obviously at the environments expense :(

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/7b-ecstasy-oil-stash-goes-up-in-smoke/2008/06/20/1213770880160.html

Also in 2008 the world's biggest ecstasy bust took out Australia's ecstasy kingpins and supply chain all the way back to Europe. Some 4.4 tonnes of pingers stashed away in tomato tins was found thanks to a dirty rat :X

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/new...d-in-worlds-biggest-ecstasy-bust/1239771.aspx

And still to this day the AFP are over in Cambodia burning safrole oil. So don't expect a reprieve from the MDMA drought any time soon

http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/news/afp/2010/february/cambodia-drug-burn.aspx

I advise anyone in the pill scene to take a break until further notice for reasons of health and safety.

You risk taking any number of drugs that are more dangerous than MDMA if you continue to take ecstasy pills in the current market.

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lack of mdma...plus drug dealers dont care as people are still buying pills and making money.
 
MDMA in pills will never make a return in Aus. It's just too expensive to do it. To me that's a good thing though, as the actual chemical MDMA is still around and plenty, providing you know the right people. The drug should be sold this way in my opinion, as it's blatantly obvious that kids these days just have no respect for what they're taking/doing. So many people don't take the time to learn about the shit they're putting into their body, therefore are undeserving of the magical experience. Pretty much any other substance you are looking for is sold my it's true name, in it's true form. MDMA is deserving of the same kind of respect. My 2c anyway
 
For me personally, i thnik the MDMA drought has been a good thing. I went too hard on it in 2007 to 2008. say 5 pills most weekends. I think it messed me up, and at the least I lost the magic and alot of money.

Up until this weekend gone by I hadn't bothered to buy a pill or any powder that was touted as MDMA for well over a year. I bought what were sold as MDMA caps, but I am pretty sure they were methylone as it was close but not quite the same as MDMA. I paid MDMA prices for them which is annoying.

As for this talk of MDMA powder being plentiful, I wouldn't say plentiful (or my connections are just shit), as at least in my circles no one has been able to get their hands on proper MDMA crystals. Anyway, not supposed to talk about availability.
 
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i need to find my self some fine-dining type of dealers haha.

but yeah i have to agree with everyones posts.

MDMA has been non-existent for the good part of last 2-3yrs :( :( :(
 
it certainly comes around on the odd occasion but it's down to who you know. i haven't had crystals for a few months now! I miss you Molly!!!
 
I have to say I don't waste any opportunity these days. Where as in the past we might have just grabbed what we needed at the time, now we buy as much as we can carry and horde. Desperate times my friends. We are also a little more fussy when we indulge, it is nothing for us to hold off 6 months or more for the "perfect" night or weekend. A little sad to think of the good old days when you could be guaranteed a happy and safe night out, but to be fair I never showed it enough respect or appreciated what we had.

Oh, the days of 2 for a fiver :(
 
I’m finding it hard to even find pills anymore in my city, most guys who were selling have either stopped because they were rubbish or have turned to selling speed. I guess MDMA will never be produced in Australia on a big scale ever again but our only hope will be imports from Europe, the Red Stars that came over late last year was the most talked about drug in my area, everyone wanted them and everyone was happy to pay a higher price. Let’s hope we see some more imports around otherwise the pill scene will be dead. (I think it’s not far off dead anyway, at least for people who want MDMA).
 
It does seem as though MDMA has made somewhat of a resurgence as of late in the form of molly/powder/crystals as opposed to the more traditional tablet form. I think that pills got too cheap and piperazines/RC's too plentiful and cost efficient and given the average uneducated punter the criminals did what made sense to them and pressed shite for maximum profit. It is also undoubtable that law enforcement did have some considerable blows to the MDMA industry shortly before the drought in the way of a record bust and destroying precursors.

If you read the report on clandestine labs and precursors in Australia in 2008-2009 which is available through the link posted by Conscious21 in post 3 of this thread it states that MDMA laboratory detections increased by 73 percent in 08-09 period. It also states that border detections of precursors were minimal but considerable precursors were siezed nationally. To me this would suggest that some criminals out there are hearing our cries for quality MDMA and realise the profits to be made from it, I think MDMA has shifted from being a drug that was mainly imported and the trend is now headed towards local production. Given the safrole burn offs in Cambodia and the lack of border detections of precursors there is probably a good possibility that precursors are increasingly being sourced domestically, possibly from natural sources.

I think busty is on the money to suggest that MDMA is coming back but in a different way, and atleast for the educated among us, this is a good thing. I think we will see an increasing amount of locally produced MDMA crystals available on the black market along with the continued decline/death of the illicit E tablet scene.
 
Yeah this has been happening for a good 2 years or so, other than the occasional good batch of pills or MDMA powder, you're pretty much SOL. Almost everyone I know has quit taking pills and either stopped partying or moved on to other drugs for their weekend partying (usually meth or psychadelics). It's a pretty horrible state of affairs, but what can you do :/
 
headdah said:
MDMA has been non-existent for the good part of last 2-3yrs :( :( :(
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haha wernt u rolling on sum crystal molly not too long ago? LOL


Pills have died out completely from my perspective but mdma and mda are around now and its damn fine too, too bad i dont party anymore.
 
The drought is still well and truly evident at clubs and festivals in Perth. The last two summers worth of festivals we played spot the gurner, and let me tell you, in crowds of 15k + people we didn't see more than a couple. Rewind 5 years and at these same events you would have lost count of gurners after being there 10 minutes. Going to club nights now is a strange experience for me too. Not one single gurner nearly every time I have been out. Completely different crowd mentality too. Not sure if that's cause there is no MDMA, or if everyone in this city is a rude prick, or if drinking makes everyone in to a rude prick.

I don't believe it has been a good thing for the festival / club scene at all. It seems that at these events getting drunk and fighting (with glasses) is far more normal these days than taking pills and making new best friends :(

The other thing that is noticeable is how in Aus DD has faded from lots of threads about taking pills, to lots of threads about why there are no pills with MDMA in Aus, to pretty much no talk about pills at all anymore.


Still waiting for the laws of economics to correct this drought. I know a lot of people who are not buying any drugs at all simply because the drugs that are around are not MDMA. If MDMA came back I suspect people would buy it, even if it was say 5 times the price it was 5 years ago. Hell I know the resources industry has made a lot of us in W.A. pretty well off. Too bad there is only booze around to celebrate with.

Guess I will either have to buy a house here and get old and boring or move to Europe.
 
Tbh, I think you could easily get away with asking for twice what pills used to sell for, and people would gladly pay it for MDMA of a decent quality. I know I would, which is why it seems so absurd that there isn't any coming into the country.
 
Yeh exactly. The Aussie dollar has been high for a while too. Great for imports lol.
 
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